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Tupac nominated for Rock Hall of Fame. Expect even more rap artists in the future

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In his first year of eligibility, Tupac Shakur appears on the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame ballot, which was released Tuesday. And if the slain rapper gets inducted in 2017, he will be the first solo hip-hop artist to join the institution.

The rock hall foundation’s nominating committee, which selects the names for the ballot, has shown it considers rap artists as worthy of consideration. Five other rap acts are already in the hall of fame: N.W.A (inducted 2016); Public Enemy (2013); Beastie Boys (2012); Run DMC (2009), Grandmaster Flash and the Furious Five (2007).


This trend is only likely to continue. Rap is still relatively quite young and more titans of the form — those who broke new ground and took it mainstream — are just now becoming eligible for induction. Nominees have to have released their first album or single at least 25 years before they can end up on the rock hall ballot. And sometimes it takes getting nominated multiple times before a performer is inducted.

[Rap groups once reigned supreme. What happened?]

The inclusion of hip-hop artists hasn’t been without debate. N.W.A’s induction this year was marked by a back-and-forth with Gene Simmons, who told Rolling Stone he was “looking forward to the death of rap.”

Members of the rap group responded to those comments during their induction speech. Ren addressed Simmons by name, saying “hip-hop is here for ever. Get used to it.” And Ice Cube’s speech, in which he defined rock n’ roll, is now featured prominently on the rock hall’s website, in a section explaining the induction process.


Simmons responded to the criticism. “ respect N.W.A, but when Led Zep gets into Rap Hall of Fame, I will agree with your point.”

“Who stole the soul?” Ice Cube responded. “Chuck Berry, Little Richard and Chubby Checker help invent rock & roll. We invent it. Y’all reprint.” it.”

This debate rages on as rock purists also argue that more traditional bands haven’t yet made it into the hall, or are repeatedly snubbed. Chic has appeared on the ballot 11 times, including this year. This marks the third year for Yes, despite the support of some pretty serious political strategists. And Duran Duran has yet to appear on the ballot at all, to the dismay of super fans.

[Is this rap’s real golden age?]




According to the rock hall institution, “factors such as an artist’s musical influence on other artists, length and depth of career and the body of work, innovation and superiority in style and technique are taken into consideration.” As the years go on, the potential crop of rap artists for the hall will expand, from the era in which rap was considered by the mainstream as a passing fad to the era in which it dominated the charts and pop culture as a whole.

If selected, Tupac would be the first artist of the 1990s era of rap to make it in. By 2019, Notorious B.I.G. (who released “Ready to Die” in 1994), will be eligible for consideration.

This year, more than 800 artists, historians and people in music industry — including all living inductees — around will get world ballots. The public can also weigh in on the institution’s website. Inductees will be announced in December, with the actual ceremony taking place in April 2017 and broadcast by HBO.

Here’s a full list of nominees on this year’s ballot. An asterisk appears on first-time nominees.

Bad Brains*
Chaka Khan
Chic
Depeche Mode*
Electric Light Orchestra*
J. Geils Band
Jane’s Addiction*
Janet Jackson
Joan Baez*
Joe Tex
Journey*
Kraftwerk
MC5
Pearl Jam*
Steppenwolf*
The Cars
The Zombies
Tupac Shakur*
Yes

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...ries-2_ae-tupac-255pm:homepage/story#comments
 
This thread will play out exactly like the NWA thread did. People will complain because rap isn't, "real music," and isn't "Rock and Roll."


With that said, he deserves it IMO.
 
If they want to stay viable and attract bigger crowds to....Cleveland, they're wise to include multiple genres.
 
Still timely.
It's crazy how much of his music/lyrics are still completely relevant today. That's one of the reasons I've always been such a huge fan of his, he was able to lyrically tell stories. It wasn't all about the bull crap that rappers rap about today (I sound like I'm getting old).
 
RAP is NOT Rock-n-Roll. If it was, it would be called Rock-n-Roll, but it's called RAP !!

This is not hard to understand.

Rockabilly is NOT Rock-n-Roll. It if was, it would be called Rock-n-Roll, but it's called Rockabilly !! (Elvis, etc.)

Punk is NOT Rock-n-Roll. It if was, it would be called Rock-n-Roll, but it's called Punk !! (Sex Pistols, etc.)

Rythm and Blues/Soul/Disco is NOT Rock-n-Roll. It if was, it would be called Rock-n-Roll, but it's called Rythm and Blues/Soul/Disco !! (Stevie Wonder, Supremes, etc.)

Country is NOT Rock-n-Roll. It if was, it would be called Rock-n-Roll, but it's called Country !! (Everly Brothers, etc.)

You are right, this isn't hard to understand. Group invents category, IMCC creates own definition, excludes whomever he wants, tells original group they are wrong, because he says so.

Seriously, from their website the first 16 inductees were:
Alan Freed
Buddy Holly
Chuck Berry
Elvis Presley
Everly Brothers
Fats Domino
James Brown
Jerry Lee Lewis
Jimmie Rodgers
Jimmy Yancey (Boogie Woogie)
John Hammond
Little Richard
Ray Charles
Robert Johnson
Sam Cooke
Sam Phillips

How many of those are "Rock and Roll" to the exclusion of other things?

Then, let's look at the nominee process. Is it a bunch of prison guards sitting around? Oh wait, no its music historians, members of the industry and hall-of-famers themselves!

Ballots are then sent to more than 600 historians, members of the music industry and artists—including every living Rock Hall inductee—and the five performers receiving the most votes become that year's induction class. Beginning in 2012, fans were given the chance to vote for the nominees they'd like to see inducted into the Rock Hall. The top five vote-getters in the public poll form one ballot, which is weighted the same as the rest of the submitted ballots.

Lastly, they are supposed to have:

Besides demonstrating unquestionable musical excellence and talent, inductees will have had a significant impact on the development, evolution and preservation of rock & roll.

If you don't think Tupac had a "significant impact on the development, evolution and preservation of rock & roll" as we hear it today you are crazy. Tupac influenced every genre from that point forward, much like NWA.
 
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RAP is NOT Rock-n-Roll. If it was, it would be called Rock-n-Roll, but it's called RAP !!

This is not hard to understand.
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Eventually they will change the name to Popular Music Hall of Fame

So Tupac is equivalent to, say, Backstreet Boys? Mariah Carey? Two of the biggest artists in 1998?

Let Tupac (or NWA) in and everyone else is equivalent?
 
Rockabilly is NOT Rock-n-Roll. It if was, it would be called Rock-n-Roll, but it's called Rockabilly !! (Elvis, etc.)

Punk is NOT Rock-n-Roll. It if was, it would be called Rock-n-Roll, but it's called Punk !! (Sex Pistols, etc.)

Rythm and Blues/Soul/Disco is NOT Rock-n-Roll. It if was, it would be called Rock-n-Roll, but it's called Rythm and Blues/Soul/Disco !! (Stevie Wonder, Supremes, etc.)

Country is NOT Rock-n-Roll. It if was, it would be called Rock-n-Roll, but it's called Country !! (Everly Brothers, etc.)

You are right, this isn't hard to understand. Group invents category, IMCC creates own definition, excludes whomever he wants, tells original group they are wrong, because he says so.

Seriously, from their website the first 16 inductees were:
Alan Freed
Buddy Holly
Chuck Berry
Elvis Presley
Everly Brothers
Fats Domino
James Brown
Jerry Lee Lewis
Jimmie Rodgers
Jimmy Yancey (Boogie Woogie)
John Hammond
Little Richard
Ray Charles
Robert Johnson
Sam Cooke
Sam Phillips

How many of those are "Rock and Roll" to the exclusion of other things?

Then, let's look at the nominee process. Is it a bunch of prison guards sitting around? Oh wait, no its music historians, members of the industry and hall-of-famers themselves!

Ballots are then sent to more than 600 historians, members of the music industry and artists—including every living Rock Hall inductee—and the five performers receiving the most votes become that year's induction class. Beginning in 2012, fans were given the chance to vote for the nominees they'd like to see inducted into the Rock Hall. The top five vote-getters in the public poll form one ballot, which is weighted the same as the rest of the submitted ballots.

Lastly, they are supposed to have:

Besides demonstrating unquestionable musical excellence and talent, inductees will have had a significant impact on the development, evolution and preservation of rock & roll.

If you don't think Tupac had a "significant impact on the development, evolution and preservation of rock & roll" as we hear it today you are crazy. Tupac influenced every genre from that point forward, much like NWA.
Bob Marley is also in it.
 
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