I agree about what he is, but keep in mind that Zelensky cancelled the elections. Kind of a dictator move there.
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I understand your dilemma,.. thinking for yourself without input from the Collective is hard.
Under normal circumstances I would agree. But it's hard to have people lining up at the poles with missiles landing in the neighborhood, and even Zalensky's political rivals agreed.
Zelensky’s Main Rival Blasts Idea of Elections During Wartime
Former Ukrainian president Petro Poroshenko has shot down Washington’s call for wartime elections in Ukraine.
www.kyivpost.com
I would have to see what their constitution provides for. I would add that when Russia is right next door and would do everything they can to fix the election while they are occupying part of your country, I could see wartime exceptions being made.
Agreed, and they turned the very people they have claimed to have be champions for;
Blue Collar workers
Unions
Border
Poor
Here's my issue. Ukraine (even under the U.S.S.R.) has a history of being corrupt. Zelensky is in no way without sin. When the world powers wanted to move major military power into Ukraine, that's when Putin acted. It was repeatedly asked since the Wall fell that they not do that. Think how you would feel if China, Russia, etc. moved a huge military presence into Canada or Mexico. The Cuban missile crisis was exactly that. We didn't like it at all.
Now I'm not standing up for Putin. I just understand what his concern is. I don't agree with him starting the war. There are other ways of dealing with it. I just think that the Zelensky/Biden relationship spooked him and didn't feel there was any other way.
Isn't that what Hitler said also?Under normal circumstances I would agree. But it's hard to have people lining up at the poles with missiles landing in the neighborhood, and even Zalensky's political rivals agreed.
Zelensky’s Main Rival Blasts Idea of Elections During Wartime
Former Ukrainian president Petro Poroshenko has shot down Washington’s call for wartime elections in Ukraine.www.kyivpost.com
I think that is utter bullshit. Putin wanted a land bridge to crimea and eastern Ukraine’s resources. He wants to get the old USSR back together. McCain called this over a decade ago.
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I don't know.
All I know is that the only people criticizing Zelensky for cancelling elections during wartime are Putin and trump.
We don't know what his people are saying because he has made the press there a state media.
Why did Putin’s Russia invade Ukraine and does he want to get rid of Zelensky?
Russia hoped to overthrow Ukraine's pro-Western government in days, but it failed.
www.bbc.com
I’ll take McClain’s position on this over anyone else’s.Why did Putin’s Russia invade Ukraine and does he want to get rid of Zelensky?
Russia hoped to overthrow Ukraine's pro-Western government in days, but it failed.www.bbc.com
The Press in the Third Reich
After rising to power, the Nazis eliminated freedom of the press in Germany. Learn more about how they established control over the press and manipulated it.
encyclopedia.ushmm.org
The bullshit is not the quote, but treating the circumstances equally. It would be like Trump declaring he will cancel elections in 2028 because we have a “war” on our border with Mexico.March 1933 German federal election - Wikipedia
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Exactly. That's why it was wrong for Zelensky to do what he did. That's how people become dictators.
Yes, I’m sure it would go well for people to walk away from the prayer circle. About as well as taking a knee. I watched one between 2 teams in Texas a few days ago and I guarantee at least one of those girls didn’t believe in the Christian God, but had to stand there and pretend so she didn’t create attention from others.
No, he had an actual war with another country attempting to exterminate him and Ukraine as an independent sovereign nation. You are starting to sound like the Russians I have on ignore from the Putin thread.
Nothing, many politicians have been warning us of it. Even Obama did. But everyone knew not to build up military presence in Ukraine. It was just not on the table. Obama sent Biden over to do just that. But when Biden came into office he talked of changing that. It was a huge blunder.
The Press in the Third Reich
After rising to power, the Nazis eliminated freedom of the press in Germany. Learn more about how they established control over the press and manipulated it.encyclopedia.ushmm.org
Neat it's similar to what is happening in the US with media consolidation both tradition and social and the consolidation of outlets. Like Bezos controlling the narrative to be more libertarian and all of the social media's bending the knee. The approved narratives play nicely into the manufactured consent propaganda model. Wait until AI models get just a tiny bit more robust, the internet will go from over 50% bots to closer to 95% and they will be used to steer opinions and monitor for dissidents.
AI does scare me.Neat it's similar to what is happening in the US with media consolidation both tradition and social and the consolidation of outlets. Like Bezos controlling the narrative to be more libertarian and all of the social media's bending the knee. The approved narratives play nicely into the manufactured consent propaganda model. Wait until AI models get just a tiny bit more robust, the internet will go from over 50% bots to closer to 95% and they will be used to steer opinions and monitor for dissidents.
It’s all pretext. If Putin was successful rather than have it blow up in his face for 3 years, we’d be hearing about false flags in countries bordering Ukraine.
You mean 75 million voted for Kamala who was for biological males in female sports!
Exactly. Regardless of what reforms are passed to level the playing field, they will always be the target of erosion by those with money and those with power. They want to have everything and leave the rest of us with nothing, that is their ultimate goal.
I think housing is a terrible excuse. The market is supposed to be this all knowing, all powerful deity that allocates resources properly. It doesn't. When the profit motive is behind everything we do, the needs of the masses are ignored to satisfy the ghoulish dragons at the top, hoarding their wealth.
As of a few years ago, there were 28 vacant homes for each homeless person in this country. It's not a problem of inventory.
We're on the back end of abundance right now IMO, we can't keep raping our planet for finite resources to create shit that we don't need. I saw a product today on one of the morning shows that is a mask that you put on to massage your face after you get a headache from too much screen time. Like WTF is this shit?? INNOVATION!
You and I disagreed on supporting Putin vs supporting our own intelligence agencies. Not sure how we got off track and with Ukraine and now Nazi Germany.The Press in the Third Reich
After rising to power, the Nazis eliminated freedom of the press in Germany. Learn more about how they established control over the press and manipulated it.encyclopedia.ushmm.org
Either way, I still feel the same about Putin, and will never find a reason to support him.
The path to winning for democrats, 2 strategies; 1. Let MAGA self destruct itself, do not stand in their way, let them cut their own throat (it will happen, it always happens to those who believe they are in a mandate position) 2. Stop pandering to people who make up less than 1% of the population and focus on those who make up 99% of the population.
Focusing publicly on stupid shit, ignoring real pressing issues, pandering to lunatic ideas, and pretending the leader of the free world and your parties president wasn't losing his mental capacities when it was obvious to the public was a losing strategy.
Also...hello freak bitches, it has been a minute.
Focusing publicly on stupid shit, ignoring real pressing issues, pandering to lunatic ideas, and pretending the leader of the free world and your parties president wasn't losing his mental capacities when it was obvious to the public was a losing strategy.
Also...hello freak bitches, it has been a minute.
No excuse making. I'm just saying I've seen this way to often. Zelensky is not a good guy either. I will not take sides on this. They are both bad people and countries and this should've never happened. I feel for the people of Ukraine and Russia.
Agreed. I don't like either of the leaders. They are both lying dictators. I feel sorry for the people of Ukraine and Russia for having such pricks for leaders.
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