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U.S. illegal immigrant population falls below 11 million, continuing nearly decade-long decline, rep

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Another wingnut orthodoxy shown to be a red herring:

The illegal immigrant population in the United States has fallen below 11 million, continuing a nearly decade-long decline that has the potential to reshape the debate over reforming the nation’s immigration system, according to a study released Wednesday.

The total undocumented immigrant population of 10.9 million is the lowest since 2003, says the report from the Center for Migration Studies, a New York think tank. The number of undocumented immigrants has fallen each year since 2008, the report says, driven primarily by a steady decline in illegal migrants from Mexico. Even sharper declines from South America and Europe have contributed to the overall numbers, the report says, even as illegal immigration from Central America — where families with children have flocked across the southwest border in recent months — is on the rise.

Written by Robert Warren, a former longtime U.S. government demographer, the document could have an impact on the fiery debate over immigration that has unfolded on the 2016 presidential campaign trail. Republican candidates, led by Donald Trump, have portrayed the border as overwhelmed by illegal immigrants who must be kept out by a massive wall the New York developer proposes to build. President Obama and Democratic candidates say the border has never been more secure and call for comprehensive immigration reform to naturalize immigrants already here.

While it doesn’t take a political position or name a party, the paper uses 2014 Census Bureau data to essentially argue that the Republican portrayal is inaccurate. “One reason for the high and sustained level of interest in undocumented immigration is the widespread belief that the trend in the undocumented population is ever upward,” the 15-page report says. “This paper shows that this belief is mistaken and that, in fact, the undocumented population has been decreasing for more than a half a decade.”

The debate over how to handle illegal migrants already here has escalated even more in recent weeks. The Obama administration has launched a series of raids aimed at deporting the mostly women and children who have come from Honduras, Guatemala and other Central American countries since 2014. Administration officials are now working frantically to quell political outrage the raids have triggered among immigration rights advocates and Latino leaders.

The new report echoes other research showing that the nation’s illegal immigration flows have fallen to their lowest level in at least two decades. Demographers at Pew Research Center, for example, found last year that the number of illegal immigrants — which more than tripled, to 12.2 million, between 1990 and 2007 — had since dropped by about 1 million. Pew’s preliminary estimate counted the total illegal immigration population at 11.3 million, as of 2014. The new Center for Migration Studies report is the first in recent years to peg the number as falling below 11 million.

Although the new report does not cite specific reasons for the decline, other experts have attributed it to a combination of tighter U.S. border security measures and economic and demographic changes in Mexico, such as women having fewer children.

A key — but largely overlooked — sign of these ebbing flows is the changing makeup of the undocumented population. Until recent years, illegal immigrants tended to be young men streaming across the Southern border in pursuit of work. But demographic data show that the typical illegal immigrant now is much more likely someone who is 35 or older and has lived in the United States for a decade or more.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...top-stories_immigration-1005am:homepage/story
 
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they just quit counting. it's like the jobless and the "quit looking for a job", person does not count as unemployed. the "hiding in the shadows in a sanctuary city", person does not count as an illegal.
 
I love how they word that. They want to avoid being called biased for reporting facts, but it'll happen anyway.
if you think the census bureau has all the facts on people who migrate between tx and Honduras and mexico and el Salvador three or four times a year, then you are not really understanding of what " facts " means.
 
I'm sure they're leaving because of all the hateful rhetoric.

Trump is already making America great again.
 
What's that old saying... There are lies, damned lies, and statistics. Anybody who thinks the number of illegal immigrants is actually decreasing must not get out much.
 
But why? Is it because the US has become a less attractive place to live? Why leave a 3rd world nation for an angry, racist nation that's also heading toward 3rd world status - especially for people in the lower range of the socioeconomic spectrum?
 
What's that old saying... There are lies, damned lies, and statistics. Anybody who thinks the number of illegal immigrants is actually decreasing must not get out much.

Pray tell, where are you "getting out" to that you can objectively determine that illegal immigrant population is increasing? Postville? Storm Lake?
 
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Pray tell, where are you "getting out" to that you can objectively determine that illegal immigrant population is increasing? Postville? Storm Lake?
How about SF? I live in Inverness in Marin about three months out of the year...
 
Are you OK with there being 10.9 MILLION illegal immigrants in the USA?? Really?

I am, but that is largely because I can understand more than just that scary number. If you believe some of the politico-talking-heads these days there are 10.9 MILLION rapist and devious criminal psychopaths waiting behind a dumpster for you.
 
I all for legal immigration rather than Illegal but your view is quite frankly nuts. We desperately need their labor to run our economy.

I've brought this up before, but I doubt the bolded part of your statement is actually true. Would you be ok with unlimited legal immigration? I doubt it. So what level are you ok with being "legal"?

People who complain ad naseum about illegal immigration are not "ok" or "all for" legal immigration, they want to limit the amount of people who enter the country for work/permanent residence. Usually that is for some more simple reason, such as wanting yourself, your family, and your friends to have first crack at American benefits, like a job, before they go to outsiders. I'm not weighing in on whether that is an acceptable reason or not, simply pointing out that most people with your stance, are not actually good with immigration in general.
 
Of course it is going down some of they are reaching retirement age and returning to their home country.
 
Of course it is going down some of they are reaching retirement age and returning to their home country.
So we aren't giving them SS and Medicare? I keep hearing we do. Tell me again why this is a bad deal for America. We should encourage more to come here and spend their productive years then get lost after retirement.Think of all the problems we could solve is citizenship just expired at age 65.
 
So we aren't giving them SS and Medicare? I keep hearing we do. Tell me again why this is a bad deal for America. We should encourage more to come here and spend their productive years then get lost after retirement.Think of all the problems we could solve is citizenship just expired at age 65.
Because they take their retirement savings with them.
 
Because they take their retirement savings with them.
Quick, let's pass a law that you have to be a citizen to withdraw from a bank. Now Tradition will scream tyranny. But not because we are going after non-citizens, because we are asking the bank to look at an ID.
 
I'm confused. Just yesterday posters were complaining about these illegals using real SSNs and paying real taxes.

When the fact is that many pay income taxes that they can't get refunds on due to their status as well as Social Security that they'll never be able to draw upon.
 
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Quick, let's pass a law that you have to be a citizen to withdraw from a bank. Now Tradition will scream tyranny. But not because we are going after non-citizens, because we are asking the bank to look at an ID.
This would work assuming they have put their money in a bank.
 
This would work assuming they have put their money in a bank.
We will force direct deposit on the nation to get a campaign donation for Hillary from the banking cartel. And again the cry of tyranny will be because we are forcing the banks to take money.
 
I am, but that is largely because I can understand more than just that scary number. If you believe some of the politico-talking-heads these days there are 10.9 MILLION rapist and devious criminal psychopaths waiting behind a dumpster for you.

You understand the word ILLEGAL, right?

So what you are saying is that you have a better understanding of what laws need to be followed and what laws are just to prevent people from being scared??
 
How about SF? I live in Inverness in Marin about three months out of the year...
Marin County? 85% white, 15% Hispanic, 2% black.
San Francisco County? 53% white, 34% Asian, 15% Hispanic, 6% black.

I think you're relatively safe from the browns, Accipiter. Unless you're worried about the yellows, but I don't think you are.

I've lived in Marin County, and it's one of the whitest places on Earth. Well, except for when the housekeepers and nannies get off their Golden Gate Transit buses to do whitey's dishes and laundry and make sure whitey junior is looked after -- then it browns up a bit.

The GOP/FoxNews wants us all to believe we're at great peril. Fear mongering is a fantastic tactic.

Fran is probably doing his best to convince his guys that Rutgers could beat some NBA teams.

The browns are coming! The browns are coming!

Good grief.
 
You understand the word ILLEGAL, right?

So what you are saying is that you have a better understanding of what laws need to be followed and what laws are just to prevent people from being scared??

Well nothing that contrived. We all have decided which laws "need to be followed" and which laws shouldn't.

Do you speed? Do you jaywalk? Do you pay sales tax on internet purchases? Did you piitb before that was legal?

The "its a law" angle is weak. If you disagree with illegal immigration simply because it is illegal, then you should have no problem with people trying to simply make it legal. Right? I mean that was what I was responding to: the idea that making it "legal" would make people happy. If that is not, in fact, your position (which we know its not), stop using it to redundantly fail to make a point. Use your actual points instead, they carry a lot more weight.

And nowhere did I say that there should not be immigration laws. I was asked whether I was ok with 10.9 MILLION (bolded!) illegal immigrants being in the US. My response is still the same, I am ok with much of it, because I think much of it isn't the contrived "y'all gonna get raped" fearmongering that it is presented as. It is simply people, with families here, working to support them and themselves. Why would I strictly NOT be ok with that, simply because you bolded the total number?

Let's say there are 11 Million felons in the US (not an accurate number, I have no idea). Am I "ok" with that? Well, I'm not "ok" with the felonies that have been committed, but I'm also intelligent enough to realize that each circumstance, each crime is different and that I probably am "ok" with them living here....because the number itself has almost no bearing on the actuality.

But, I'm a big believer in "the people". If the people want to deport, I won't stand in their way. I don't think people want to pay for deportation, they just like to bitch.
 
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Sorry you have such a hard time facing reality.

I've noticed that conservatives rely far more on anecdotal evidence to form their opinions than on hard data. What a person has "seen with their own eyes" can be useful obviously, but a lot of people don't understand that it skews them towards their own biases. They see methodology that tries to remove or limit the effects of bias as either useless or some sort of attempt at indoctrination by liberals.
 
Well nothing that contrived. We all have decided which laws "need to be followed" and which laws shouldn't.

Do you speed? Do you jaywalk? Do you pay sales tax on internet purchases? Did you piitb before that was legal?

The "its a law" angle is weak. If you disagree with illegal immigration simply because it is illegal, then you should have no problem with people trying to simply make it legal. Right? I mean that was what I was responding to: the idea that making it "legal" would make people happy. If that is not, in fact, your position (which we know its not), stop using it to redundantly fail to make a point. Use your actual points instead, they carry a lot more weight.

And nowhere did I say that there should not be immigration laws. I was asked whether I was ok with 10.9 MILLION (bolded!) illegal immigrants being in the US. My response is still the same, I am ok with much of it, because I think much of it isn't the contrived "y'all gonna get raped" fearmongering that it is presented as. It is simply people, with families here, working to support them and themselves. Why would I strictly NOT be ok with that, simply because you bolded the total number?

Let's say there are 11 Million felons in the US (not an accurate number, I have no idea). Am I "ok" with that? Well, I'm not "ok" with the felonies that have been committed, but I'm also intelligent enough to realize that each circumstance, each crime is different and that I probably am "ok" with them living here....because the number itself has almost no bearing on the actuality.

But, I'm a big believer in "the people". If the people want to deport, I won't stand in their way. I don't think people want to pay for deportation, they just like to bitch.

Good lord, where to start???

We are a nation of laws... do I agree with all those laws? No. Do I break some of them? Yes. But comparing a illegal Mexican gang banger who is in a Sanctuary City selling drugs to me speeding is about as asinine a statement that I've ever heard. When I break laws I fully expect there to be consequences. Some light, some extremely harsh depending on what law I choose to break. Why even called them Illegal Immigrants if "it's the law" is weak? Why not just call them Immigrants? Immigration is a very complex problem that affects a myriad of things outside of a person simply living in a space somewhere.

The problem with allowing "simply people, with families here, working to support them and themselves" is that you complete minimize the people who try and do it right. I work with several engineers who are on the path to citizenship and have spent a great deal of time and money to follow the rules. You simply want them here so they can go pick the oranges for you and you can go to HyVee and buy them for $.99 each.

The entire strawman about felons is not germane to the subject and serves no purpose... why even bring it up??
 
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