if VZ has all this money squirreled away...what is he still doing leading a country actively engaged in a war?
if all this was just for him to get rich - and he did - why is he still there?
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if all this was just for him to get rich - and he did - why is he still there?
Because up until a short time ago the ATM machine still worked.
Well, if that dicktater ever decides to hold elections again... yeah.
Russia occupied Ukrainian land during the entirety of Trump 1.0. Unsurprising you didn't know that.
I wouldn't have known without all the I stand with Ukraine flags all over X/Twatter and they didn't show up until the Biden admin.
I think that is the case for most immigrants no matter where they came from originally. The majority are hard working people who came to America for a better life.
maybe less of what you think or know should be based on what you see on X/twitter
Lmfao at anyone that thinks this anything but smoke and mirrors. Trump, the Russian asset, has played you a fool.
how many billions of dollars did Trump 1.0 send to Ukraine vs the Biden Admin? Who got played?
Trump is being played but you are just to god damn blinded by politics to see it.
Yeah? What does America have to show for it? It's an investment right? What's our return on investment?
To this point NADA because the most voted for president EVER... struck a deal with the most corrupt government on planet earth and asked for nothing in return.
It's preventative. Like climate policy. You idiots don't have the foresight to understand that.
KF prefers Russia's military to be fully intact and not humiliated for fractions of America's defense budget and no dead US troops.
Infact the best investment was 6 trillion the GOP put us down for in the early 2000s with thousands of dead American troops.
Infact the best investment was 6 trillion the GOP put us down for in the early 2000s with thousands of dead American troops.
I prefer we quit pussyfooting around. Time for everyone to shit or get off the pot.
Plus would have been much wiser to let outdated weapons cost us more for normal decommissioning vs putting them to use against the country they were built to be used against.
Great so Ukraine is holding a stalemate with the mighty Russians with a bunch of old out of date ready to decom weapons and the world is all afraid of them?
why?
personally...i'm ok with just helping european allies resist the invasion from their hostile neighbors (and especially russia)
helping protect the sovereignty of democratic allies used to be one of the purposes of our foreign policy (post 2001, seems like its just resource acquisition/protection now)
russia invaded georgia - no one did anything
russia invaded crimea - economic sanctions
russia invaded ukraine - military support provided
Because Russians don't care about human meat waves to try and get what they want. No one said Russia is smart. They are counting on the unity of the west to crumble to aid in that goal and maga seems keen on pushing that along.
Be real here. You are calling the deaths of 100,000-200,000 humans an investment. Think about that as you enjoy your next sandwich.
So Europe really cares, unless they have to borrow money or go into debt?
If that’s true F’m.
If that’s true F’m.
I'm sure they're taking volunteer fighters over there. Instead of sending billions of dollars we are borrowing and paying interest on but will not be getting back... how about we start sending volunteers over to fight... maybe some of these "undocumented people" after 6 months, if they survive, we will give them citizenship... That has to be better than sending them back to the shitholes they came from and gives them a defined path to citizenship. Plus in the process if they FAFO in Ukraine, we can leave them there.
What do you think the death toll would be if Ukraine rolled over?
I’m not interested is getting into a speculative argument.
Death is permanent. The victories of war are transient. Governments come and go.
Unchecked Russia aggression will beget more unchecked Russian aggression. This is hardly speculative. This is historical.
If we just bend over and spread our butt cheeks I'm sure Russia will be gentle. Europe did that in the 1930s and it worked well for them.
I’m not afraid of Russia or ISIS or Saddam Hussein or immigrants or trans people or Mikhail Gorbachev or clowns or the Covid vaccine or any number of other things I’ve been told to fear in my 47 years. I believe I have been manipulated by fear in my life more than I have been protected by it. That’s just my opinion. Maybe I’m wrong.
I'm not afraid of Russia. We'd kick their ass in a few weeks if push came to shove. I'm against allowing a shithole country taking land in areas we have interest in. I'm against allowing them to control millions of people who despise them. Russia is a has been that is going to the dustbin of history. They deserve nothing and should get nothing. They had their chance to change and join the west, instead they decided to turn back to despotism again.
you don't have to be afraid of russia to think there's value in supporting allies that are being invaded by russia
Very true.
Maga is dead set on destroying America's relationship around the world. No country in their right mind would trust us going forward under any maga government.
There are worse things than death.
Like russia/USSR occupying your lands and controlling you and your families lives for generations.
How would you like your children's children to be sent off as fodder in some stupid war that gains a fraction of land around the border?
Ukraine deaths serve to protect future Ukrainians from a fate worse than death
There is a reason pretty much every former eastern bloc state jumped to the west as soon as they could. There is a reason all of them hate Russia.
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And funny enough the Russia playbook of bullying every neighboring country so they don’t want to be your ally is playing out right here at home now.
The best part is Russia's push that the west is corrupt and decadent. Ya, well all those countries you used to control seem to prefer that to w/e the hell Russia is.
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