calinit thanks for your grasp of the situation and your words about it, i for one appreciate them. that being said we have the bull on our team he was committed to fost and from ohio, so i'm not gonna go off on this.we had 2 kids who really wanted to be hawkeyes( j&j)we over recruited on them,kind of,plenty blame all around.
Umm, this sucks...
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I agree with Sebolt on this. Iowa's kids programs and high school programs need to improve. We just aren't producing enough high quality division 1 caliber athletes.
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Might help some, but be realistic. Iowa is a small state and needs to recruit blue chip guys from CA, PA, NJ, OH, IL, MN .... wherever we can.
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Oh, absolutely. It just seems like the quality of youth wrestling and high school wrestling in Iowa has decreased recently. I could be wrong on that. Definitely still need to be recruiting heavily out of state and I think Brands and Morningstar are making a lot of progress in that regard.
Unless this situation is addressed, the popularity of wrestling will vanish. The finals last week were deflating for all the schools besides Penn State. Something must be done to stop this BS by Penn State. Go Hawks!!!
Gavin flipping on us certainly sucks. The most disappointing part is that we were not able to land guys that really wanted to be Hawks (JRent and Mejia) because of lack of scholly money or too much competition. We all loved those guys and it was heartbreaking to see us have to part ways because of Teasdale's pseudo-commitment. It is too bad that Teasdale waited until after these two signed their LOI to decommit. I will always root for JRent and Mejia (unless they are wrestling the Hawks). I will not root for Teasdale.
Teasdale was projected to be a key piece of the puzzle to overcome PSU and others, but was not the savior to the program. I have stated this before, but I think we only need about 6-7 top PFP type guys and a few others in the 15-50 range to be back in the hunt. TnT have proven that they can take the 15-50 type guys to AA and occasional NC status. We will already have Kemdawg, Marinelli, Lee, and Warner as our top PFP guys. We need a couple more. We already have or will get the 15-50 type guys to fill in those spots. We need 2 or 3 more. We need 2 most years. I think this is very doable.
PSU is unbelievably stacked. How long will guys like Mason Manville say, "this is so FUN at PSU that even though I was a top PFP guy, I don't mind riding the pine." Will RBY stay committed? Eventually, they will not be able to continually recruit over their top PFP wrestlers and others will be able to scoop up their scraps, develop them, and beat the guys that PSU recruited over them.
Teasdale was projected to be a key piece of the puzzle to overcome PSU and others, but was not the savior to the program. I have stated this before, but I think we only need about 6-7 top PFP type guys and a few others in the 15-50 range to be back in the hunt. TnT have proven that they can take the 15-50 type guys to AA and occasional NC status. We will already have Kemdawg, Marinelli, Lee, and Warner as our top PFP guys. We need a couple more. We already have or will get the 15-50 type guys to fill in those spots. We need 2 or 3 more. We need 2 most years. I think this is very doable.
PSU is unbelievably stacked. How long will guys like Mason Manville say, "this is so FUN at PSU that even though I was a top PFP guy, I don't mind riding the pine." Will RBY stay committed? Eventually, they will not be able to continually recruit over their top PFP wrestlers and others will be able to scoop up their scraps, develop them, and beat the guys that PSU recruited over them.
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MM signed an NLI and he will be in the ROTC program like matt brown was. His future is not as loose as a typical recruit due to his handshake not just with Cael but with Uncle Sam. As for RBY, I think we have room at the Inn, honestly. But would I be shocked if he joined the goofs, no. He will get more $ to go there then from PSU, if that is important to him/family thats what he should do.
It's interesting with all fan bases ... where fans can become cocky/confident and talk about their team as they (personally) had anything to do with that success. No, we are fans. The coaches and players are the ones putting in the hard work ...
As for verbal commitments ... it's becoming the name of the game. De-commits are the norm in college football ... And now we're seeing it in wrestling ... I NEVER get too excited about a kid giving his verbal to Iowa ... Not until the dotted line is signed. It's unfortunate Gavin gave his verbal to Iowa when he did. And then backed out ... We forget how young these kids are ... I'm old-school in this thinking, but if you commit to someone or something, then you commit ...
The PSU roster has almost become laughable (not in a funny way) with it's all-star lineups ... I don't know or understand all the ins and outs with wrestling scholarships, etc., but somehow they are finding a way to bring in a very high-number of top kids ...
Life continues on ... In the words of Norman Dale (Gene Hackman in Hoosiers) ... "I would hope you would support who we are. Not, who we are not ... These ...individuals have made a choice to work, a choice to sacrifice, to put themselves on the line ... to represent you ... That kind of commitment and effort deserves and demands your respect. This is your team."
Go Hawks!
As for verbal commitments ... it's becoming the name of the game. De-commits are the norm in college football ... And now we're seeing it in wrestling ... I NEVER get too excited about a kid giving his verbal to Iowa ... Not until the dotted line is signed. It's unfortunate Gavin gave his verbal to Iowa when he did. And then backed out ... We forget how young these kids are ... I'm old-school in this thinking, but if you commit to someone or something, then you commit ...
The PSU roster has almost become laughable (not in a funny way) with it's all-star lineups ... I don't know or understand all the ins and outs with wrestling scholarships, etc., but somehow they are finding a way to bring in a very high-number of top kids ...
Life continues on ... In the words of Norman Dale (Gene Hackman in Hoosiers) ... "I would hope you would support who we are. Not, who we are not ... These ...individuals have made a choice to work, a choice to sacrifice, to put themselves on the line ... to represent you ... That kind of commitment and effort deserves and demands your respect. This is your team."
Go Hawks!
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Just a point of clarification for me, not trying to be confrontational or stir the pot. Since he is with the ROTC (and I believe you know a fair amount about this), if he did want to wrestle somewhere and there is no starting spot for him (maybe neither is true), would he be able to transfer or is he locked in at PSU because of the ROTC shollarship?
1stplace and other Hawkeye fans--My sincere apologies for these poor taste posts by some PSU fans. It bothers me even more than you, as it reflects poorly on PSU. I know that this does not reflect most PSU fans. I sat right next to some Iowa fans at the recent NCAA's and rode the metro to the airport with some others. We got along fine and enjoyed our mutual love for the sport. One of the Iowa fans lamented that it's too bad that all Iowa and PSU fans can't relate so well. We're all fans of the sport and there's no place for knocking other programs, wrestlers or fans. I can assure you that I was cheering loudly for Clark in the finals as he seems to be a fine young man and he was due! My apologies and I assure you that most PSU fans that I know, do not like it.
Thanks Tom. My apologies on completely forgetting to follow up about us catching up at nationals. Hopefully we can rectify that in the near future. I know plenty of great Penn State fans, and wish the trolls on this board would realize that they're painting a bad picture for the university as a whole.
So question on that.
I can pay for my kid, no issue.
I can pay for my nephews. No issue?
I can pay for my nephews second cousins friend who happens to be RBY? Still no issue? If that is the case, that sure as hell seems like boosters.
If this is the case, I'd like to pay directly for the next #1 recruit in the nation. Can someone hook us up?
My I make a plea
Yeah, sorry we didn't connect at NCAA's--I forgot too! I'll be going again next year, so we'll have to try again next year!
Well written, minnhawkeye, you will certainly be nominated for a combination
Noble prize for grammer, clear thinking, and logic.
As I understand the ROTC program, each sponsor university has a number of slots. It is possible to be awarded a scholarship and be admitted to the university of your choosing but if you don't get a slot at the school, the scholarship is mute. Happened to my son when he considered attending PSU, NROTC was full with a six person waiting list. He ended up at Miami University and used his scholarship there.
So if one is to transfer between schools, the program and the school have to accept the transfer.
Many freshmen are in the ROTC without a scholarship but are in-line when a slot opens up. I believe Jrs and Srs in good program and school standing can get their tuition paid with a service commitment. I don't believe Fr. or Sophs do a service commitment for their tuition money. I know Fr do not, at least in my son's case.
If you have some relationship such as you are related or a long time established family friendship I think it's okay.
No one is going to make a rule parents or grandparents can't pay for college. And your uncle? I'm sure they'll allow that too . If dad's best college buddy sets up trust funds for your kids , that's probably fine as long as it doesn't seem to be some inducement.
If dad's buddy only pays for one kid, a superstar athlete, might look weird. If he pays something for the three siblings, might be fine.
I'm not entirely sure of these rules though.
Don't care what anyone says, call it sour grapes or throw the all popular "well you guys weren't wining when Iowa was dominating like this during Gables tenure."
All red herrings. This is a totally new era of elite high school wrestlers who don't have to special order a vhs tape on wrestling techniques to learn wrestling. These kids have so much exposure and access now. They're ready out of the gate.
The stockpile at psu is bad for the sport. Just imagine what a recruit like a Teasdale or a Berge or a Whitlakke could do for a program like SDSU, Campbell, North Carolina, Fresno St. We'd have excitment about wrestling in parts of the country where there were non.
I love what Bono is doing at SDSU, wrestling needs more of that. Gross was a great addition to their program as much as I hate losing him and seeing him do so well.
All red herrings. This is a totally new era of elite high school wrestlers who don't have to special order a vhs tape on wrestling techniques to learn wrestling. These kids have so much exposure and access now. They're ready out of the gate.
The stockpile at psu is bad for the sport. Just imagine what a recruit like a Teasdale or a Berge or a Whitlakke could do for a program like SDSU, Campbell, North Carolina, Fresno St. We'd have excitment about wrestling in parts of the country where there were non.
I love what Bono is doing at SDSU, wrestling needs more of that. Gross was a great addition to their program as much as I hate losing him and seeing him do so well.
Couldn't agree more. Iowa wrestling established the "gold standard". Former wrestlers/fans from other teams during those "golden years of Iowa wrestling" remember clearly the greatness, and marveled with as much respect as bitter disappointment when our top kids would consistently loose in the quarters, semi finals, and finals, year after year to an Iowa kid that hustled, showed unbelieveable heart, and won in the last 30 seconds. Troy Sunderland is one of dozens of examples. The Iowa fans in those days were unrelenting in their enthusiasm, by their overwhelming numbers and volume of cheers. The I - O - W - A cheer, which occurred several times each round was pretty hard to take for the rest of us. Then..... there came the other element of Iowa fandom, the T-shirts that were seen regularly, that said on the back, "That's OK we hate you too".
Iowa fans need to understand that there was more then a small part of the Iowa Nation at the NCAA's in those days that expressed what others would describe as less then good sportsmanship. It was hard to take. For many MANY years.
So.... if Penn State people are a little over the top with their "giddy" hard to take words, cheers, and comments on these boards, well, as much as I had, and still have huge respect for everything The Iowa wrestling program was and is, (They will never quit), all this moaning and bitching, these conspiracy theories, and character assassinations, well, it is huge entertainment for those outside of "The Iowa Nation". I guess what goes around comes around.
Many wrestlers have Olympic aspirations. These kids are not likely to find the training partners they need at Campbell, SDSU, etc.
They find these partners in the Iowas and PSUs. GT just happens to be a PA product choosing to train at his home school where his family can watch him. If roles were reversed, and an Iowa native decomitted and flipped to Iowa, you would think it made sense.
They find these partners in the Iowas and PSUs. GT just happens to be a PA product choosing to train at his home school where his family can watch him. If roles were reversed, and an Iowa native decomitted and flipped to Iowa, you would think it made sense.
As usual Cali, a class dude. I don't think there is cheating going on. I do think there is negative recruiting and/or anything up to the line that can be done is. In many ways, I think Brands are naive and/or too ethical for their own good. Example, they almost lost Gilman because they were giving him space for freestyle season. Right now, we are gum on the PSU shoe...yea, can be a pain in the ass but you are still stepping on it. So...who really cares what we or other fan bases think? At worst, there may be something there. At best, sour grapes.
Again...I don't think Cael is doing NCAA infractions. Will he dance on the edge to win? Sure.
I can see your point. Every fan base has those people. My oldest son went to a high school that was a small school but it had a lot of those fans due to years of success in their kids club and the high school, and I was embarrassed to sit near some of them. I have also been embarrassed by some Iowa fans at times. I think the percentage of PSU fans that are that way now is much higher though.
I have had great conversations with longtime PSU fans and have even helped a few out in parking lots at big meets (dead batteries, etc), but some of the guys on this board really get on my nerves. I'd like to quote TG and offer to meet them in the parking lot for different reasons. I've never gone to BWI and gloated or trolled any of them. I've showed great self-control on this thread and only out one on "ignore" but there are a few teetering on the edge.
I do appreciate the few of you who come over here and discuss the greatest sport reasonably and with respect for other posters and the athletes.
