SMH...do you agree that her right foot is the pivot foot and she lifts it to take a step with her left before releasing the ball?
So she can take 3 steps on the step through? In other words, if a player shuffles their feet and then takes the third step in the act of shooting, that seems like a travel. In another scenario, can I shuffle both feet before the ball hits the ground on a dribble when I take off from a dead start?
I'm seeing what you are seeing. It seems she shuffles her feet to effectively get a third step. I think that may be part of the reason for the difference of opinion here because it's not easy to see.
My overall question on this call is which foot is her pivot foot? If it's the right, she lifts it and comes back down to the ground on her left without/before releasing the ball. That is a travel. If she pivots on her right and then jumps off two feet and releases, then she's fine, but she lifts the pivot foot and contacts the ground before release with the left. Traveling.
It has to be her right foot.
It would be helpful if you give me the time of game and I'm happy to go back and look. Yes, the LDB and RA were removed from the game. So essentially it's officiated by HS rules. The RA in the men's game is for HELP/secondary defenders only trying to take a charge. 2 things that change are post entry passes or a jumpstop in front of a secondary defender. If either of those occur those defenders now become Primary defenders and the RA is off.
If we are talking about the play at the 18min mark that someone post above you are not understanding the concept. When the ball is caught in the air or the dribble ends off the ground(which it does) in this case. NO PIVOT FOOT has been established. So the very first step she takes establishes the back foot(right) as the pivot the next step she plants and goes airborne. This is a LEGAL play.
again, I'll try and explain this one last time. When you catch the ball on a pass off the floor or as in this case you end your dribble in the air(same thing) you have NOT established a pivot yet. so the following happens 1) you catch land on 1 foot which would then be the pivot or 2) you land both feet together and get to choose with your next step as to what the pivot is....in this case when she lifts her left foot, her right is now the pivot and makes her next step(left foot) and raise to the basket LEGAL giving you the opportunity to shoot or pass
ok...so I throw a pass to you on a fast break at the basket, you catch with your right foot on the floor...are you then allowed to take another with your left and elevate? If the answer is yes, which it is...now apply it to this play
no you may not shuffle both until the ball is released. Yes, it happens and yes, it's missed occasionally
Maybe you don't see what I'm pointing out. She establishes her right foot as her pivot foot, and then she lifts it and brings it back down as she begins taking the step (it was a slight shuffle - but the foot leaves the ground). Thus, it is slight, but it effectively gives her a third step as she lifts/slides it to give her a push-off. And she can't lift/drop the pivot foot before releasing the ball.
think about it like this? your pivot foot is allowed to move liberally so long as it doesn't go from A to B...so a slight lift for balance or to turn is by the interpretation of the rule. I mentioned to someone else, this is no different than catching a pass on the right, putting your left down and elevating and making a layup....it just looks unusual but that in and of itself doesn't make it illegal
Thanks for the info. I can't believe she can shuffle her feet like that - it seems to give her quite an advantage coming off her jump stop and initial dribble - and I've not noticed others doing it as clearly as she seemed to be. It was clear at times our players weren't ready for it.
you make a great pt. If as officials managing the game we have to determine did that give her enough of an advantage to put the defender at a disadvantage? If the slight shuffle doesn't we let it go.
yes, unless they go airborne off that leftYes, because both feet contact the floor, so the left becomes the pivot foot. In the case we're discussing, she makes the right foot the pivot foot and then lifts it, so it's a travel by the letter of the law. You cannot lift your pivot foot while you are in possession of the ball. That is a travel.
Another example. A player catches the ball with both feet on the floor. They pivot around on their right foot and lift their right pivot foot to then stride with the left and then throw a pass. Traveling.
I do appreciate your patience with all of this
(sigh) shouldn't it be a travel the instant the pivot foot is lifted (in the passing instance)?yes, unless they go airborne off that left
Are you allowed to switch pivot feet? The minute your pivot foot lifts, that is what is happening.
So, you have a player catch a pass with two feet set. They establish their pivot foot by moving the other. Then they step onto the non-pivot foot and lift the pivot foot off the ground, placing all of their weight on the-non pivot foot with the pivot foot in the air. As soon as that pivot foot lifts, it's a travel. It doesn't matter what happens after that because the violation has occurred.
if my right foot lifts and my left is still in contact trying to make a pass, yes. If I rock on my pivot then push off and jump off my left...legal
she didn't change pivot feet. It was a really good step through but she did pick up her left foot ever so slightly and put it back down before the step through. It should have been a travel.
you can spend 9 seconds in the lane. 3 to post up. 3 after you catch it 3 or more on the rebound.
you can lift your pivot foot if making move to the hoop, step through.Yes, because both feet contact the floor, so the left becomes the pivot foot. In the case we're discussing, she makes the right foot the pivot foot and then lifts it, so it's a travel by the letter of the law. You cannot lift your pivot foot while you are in possession of the ball. That is a travel.
Another example. A player catches the ball with both feet on the floor. They pivot around on their right foot and lift their right pivot foot to then stride with the left and then throw a pass. Traveling.
I do appreciate your patience with all of this
But lifting it in the air from point A to B is not. You understand how this doesn't make a lot of common sense, right?
Thank you sir! I really don't know how you send private messages but if you can...send me one
Brew...honestly, unless you can provide video of exactly what you are talking about I'm not clear of what you are getting at. Seeing is understanding as what you see may be far different than my observation
