Updated thoughts after ND

[DanHawkPella]

Overall we played better. Baby steps.

• PG: Bohannon is just a baller, like his brothers. He is going to have trouble finishing inside and so will be a limited threat to drive against better teams (can't finish easily or pass easily once he's in tight spaces), but he handles and passes pretty well on the perimeter and is not just a good shooter but a fearless shooter. As he gets more reps his shot selection and other decisions should tighten up and be a bit better. Williams on offense just doesn't stretch the court as well as Bohannon and the contributions from his length on both ends don't overcome his smaller offensive contribution, so coming off the bench is a good role.

• SG: Jok is going to struggle against the better teams, so he just has to learn not to force it too much but to use his teammates more. He still isn't as good as the NBA needs him to be at penetrating and finishing or passing - it's almost always a shot on the run. We know what we'll get from him - shots and rebounds. Moss plays a bit more maturely than I would have thought given the vibes from camp - smooth shot, decent decision making, and bouncy on defense. I think giving him more minutes will be a good thing, especially if he can get even better at defense with reps. We need an athletic wing to play good defense. Ellingson is playing much better, and I have more confidence in him. Shooting better and generally makes good decisions.

• SF: Baer has been a major disappointment so far. Missing short gimmie shots last night and overall just not being on top of his game. He's not far off, so maybe it will come, but I expected him to be our 3rd Amigo this year and he hasn't delivered, yet. I do like Uhl's length and ball handling, he just needs to finish better inside and make good shot selection decisions. It may still come, so I'd keep playing him....off the bench. He's very close to being a very good player for us, but whether he gets there is a mystery.

• PF: Wagner has really struggled, and so I hope he figures it out. Deserves minutes because I think he can, but Pemsl will eat into a lot of those minutes in the short term. Pemsl is very consistent and makes low risk decisions. He's a good rebounder and knows how to use his body. Had a mismatch last night so we'll see what happens when he doesn't have a size advantage, but he's a key tool moving forward. If Pemsl can learn to use his right hand better when finishing on the right side I think he'll be even harder to guard. A bit left hand dominant yet.

• C: Cook has a lot of raw talent but needs to be better on defense obviously, and especially rebounding. Our team as a whole gives up too many offensive boards. I think he can get there. Kriener to me has a lot of upside and seems to play a good game, and stays active. A better face up shooter than many think, and a rebounder. Would like to see him get more minutes, especially if Wagner is struggling.

Freshman group (Cook, Moss, Bohannon, Kriener, Pemsl) looks extremely good at this stage. Cook may be the only long term star, with Moss having a high ceiling also perhaps, but all the others look like 4 year difference makers. Will be interesting to see this group after they figure out how to play defense, as a lot of these games will tighten up and it will make for a fun Big 10 season even if we're at around .400 at the end.

 

[JRHawk2003]

I don't think we have a player who really plays 5. We have a bunch of 4's and thats part of the problem.

Wagner looks more lost to me this year. He looks to me like a great athlete who lacks basketball skills. I am not sure what he gives you in front of Pemsl or Cook. No post game, no outside game, does not handle the ball...so?????

I felt better after last night, but its just not going to be a great season.

 

[StormHawk42]

I wouldn't call Baer a disappointment but he seems a bit outclassed as a starting 3. He's best as a 6th man and I think he ultimately ends up back there once Cook comes back and Moss stays in.

 

[LuteHawk]

With a line up of Bohannon, Jok, Moss, Pemsl and
Cook, we will have Baer , Uhl, Wagner, etc. coming
off the bench. Look for Wagner to transfer after this
season. Baer still looks like a walk on and Uhl does
not have the talent for the Big Ten.

 

[JRHawk2003]

If Wagner would just commit to one thing like rebounding. There was all this talk that he could shoot the three and was capable. Well, why doesn't he attempt a shot? We have too many guys who are not in settled roles. Fran needs to pare this down to 8, maybe 9 and go from there. Get guys comfortable in their roles.

 

[hawk-i bob]

With a line up of Bohannon, Jok, Moss, Pemsl and
Cook, we will have Baer , Uhl, Wagner, etc. coming
off the bench. Look for Wagner to transfer after this
season. Baer still looks like a walk on and Uhl does
not have the talent for the Big Ten.

The walk on you speak of was active on both ends...6 offensive 6 defensive rebounds...that's 12..not bad. But lets not give any credit. Anytime someone is struggling...here comes the transfer guess...its Wagner's turn.
Pemsl was terrific last night but 2 rebounds in 23 minutes isn't.

 

[LuteHawk]

Bottom Line in loss to Notre Dame:

The Fighting Irish made 30 free throws to Iowa's 12.

 

[SSG T]

Overall we played better. Baby steps.

• PG: Bohannon is just a baller, like his brothers. He is going to have trouble finishing inside and so will be a limited threat to drive against better teams (can't finish easily or pass easily once he's in tight spaces), but he handles and passes pretty well on the perimeter and is not just a good shooter but a fearless shooter. As he gets more reps his shot selection and other decisions should tighten up and be a bit better. Williams on offense just doesn't stretch the court as well as Bohannon and the contributions from his length on both ends don't overcome his smaller offensive contribution, so coming off the bench is a good role.

• SG: Jok is going to struggle against the better teams, so he just has to learn not to force it too much but to use his teammates more. He still isn't as good as the NBA needs him to be at penetrating and finishing or passing - it's almost always a shot on the run. We know what we'll get from him - shots and rebounds. Moss plays a bit more maturely than I would have thought given the vibes from camp - smooth shot, decent decision making, and bouncy on defense. I think giving him more minutes will be a good thing, especially if he can get even better at defense with reps. We need an athletic wing to play good defense. Ellingson is playing much better, and I have more confidence in him. Shooting better and generally makes good decisions.

• SF: Baer has been a major disappointment so far. Missing short gimmie shots last night and overall just not being on top of his game. He's not far off, so maybe it will come, but I expected him to be our 3rd Amigo this year and he hasn't delivered, yet. I do like Uhl's length and ball handling, he just needs to finish better inside and make good shot selection decisions. It may still come, so I'd keep playing him....off the bench. He's very close to being a very good player for us, but whether he gets there is a mystery.

• PF: Wagner has really struggled, and so I hope he figures it out. Deserves minutes because I think he can, but Pemsl will eat into a lot of those minutes in the short term. Pemsl is very consistent and makes low risk decisions. He's a good rebounder and knows how to use his body. Had a mismatch last night so we'll see what happens when he doesn't have a size advantage, but he's a key tool moving forward. If Pemsl can learn to use his right hand better when finishing on the right side I think he'll be even harder to guard. A bit left hand dominant yet.

• C: Cook has a lot of raw talent but needs to be better on defense obviously, and especially rebounding. Our team as a whole gives up too many offensive boards. I think he can get there. Kriener to me has a lot of upside and seems to play a good game, and stays active. A better face up shooter than many think, and a rebounder. Would like to see him get more minutes, especially if Wagner is struggling.

Freshman group (Cook, Moss, Bohannon, Kriener, Pemsl) looks extremely good at this stage. Cook may be the only long term star, with Moss having a high ceiling also perhaps, but all the others look like 4 year difference makers. Will be interesting to see this group after they figure out how to play defense, as a lot of these games will tighten up and it will make for a fun Big 10 season even if we're at around .400 at the end.

Regarding the rebounding comment with the bigs.

This is probably as much an effect of their rebounding all the years Davis was here, because I had the same complaints with Alford/Lickliter, but my biggest complaint with Fran's coaching is that rebounding doesn't seem to be a huge emphasis. Davis pretty much proved you can coach rebounding. It's almost all about positioning, reading the shot and desire and little about height or physical skill. It almost seems like the only great rebounders the Hawks have had since Davis left came here already a great rebounder (see Reggie Evans, as an example). I can think of a lot who improved, but none who became "great" at it.

As for the rest, I mainly agree. As I and others have said, things will come, but it won't be overnight. I don't look at this year being a "lost year", but I do look at it being a building block. One that almost every team in the country has occasionally, except for the Dukes/UNCs/Kansas/etc. Of course, I also still think they'll end up solidly on the bubble, 18-20 wins, likely needing a couple of wins in the BTT to make the tourney, so the building block year still isn't too bad.

 

[hawk-i bob]

I wouldn't call Baer a disappointment but he seems a bit outclassed as a starting 3. He's best as a 6th man and I think he ultimately ends up back there once Cook comes back and Moss stays in.

No Nicholas is not flashy...don't know if that is the same as outclassed. .Ya disappointing he leads the team in steals & now rebounds. I agree..major disappointment is another way of saying one was totally wrong with their expectation(s) in the first place. If this team evolves (which it is starting to show signs of)...Baer will play a key role in it...doesn't matter whether he starts or comes off the bench.

 

[hawk-i bob]

Bottom Line in loss to Notre Dame:

The Fighting Irish made 30 free throws to Iowa's 12.

ya its funny how that works on the road.

 

[33hawkfan]

ya its funny how that works on the road.

Or when one team is consistently getting beat defensively and fouling and the other team shoots a lot of jumpers.

 

[CanadaHawk]

Overall we played better. Baby steps.

• PG: Bohannon is just a baller, like his brothers. He is going to have trouble finishing inside and so will be a limited threat to drive against better teams (can't finish easily or pass easily once he's in tight spaces), but he handles and passes pretty well on the perimeter and is not just a good shooter but a fearless shooter. As he gets more reps his shot selection and other decisions should tighten up and be a bit better. Williams on offense just doesn't stretch the court as well as Bohannon and the contributions from his length on both ends don't overcome his smaller offensive contribution, so coming off the bench is a good role.

• SG: Jok is going to struggle against the better teams, so he just has to learn not to force it too much but to use his teammates more. He still isn't as good as the NBA needs him to be at penetrating and finishing or passing - it's almost always a shot on the run. We know what we'll get from him - shots and rebounds. Moss plays a bit more maturely than I would have thought given the vibes from camp - smooth shot, decent decision making, and bouncy on defense. I think giving him more minutes will be a good thing, especially if he can get even better at defense with reps. We need an athletic wing to play good defense. Ellingson is playing much better, and I have more confidence in him. Shooting better and generally makes good decisions.

• SF: Baer has been a major disappointment so far. Missing short gimmie shots last night and overall just not being on top of his game. He's not far off, so maybe it will come, but I expected him to be our 3rd Amigo this year and he hasn't delivered, yet. I do like Uhl's length and ball handling, he just needs to finish better inside and make good shot selection decisions. It may still come, so I'd keep playing him....off the bench. He's very close to being a very good player for us, but whether he gets there is a mystery.

• PF: Wagner has really struggled, and so I hope he figures it out. Deserves minutes because I think he can, but Pemsl will eat into a lot of those minutes in the short term. Pemsl is very consistent and makes low risk decisions. He's a good rebounder and knows how to use his body. Had a mismatch last night so we'll see what happens when he doesn't have a size advantage, but he's a key tool moving forward. If Pemsl can learn to use his right hand better when finishing on the right side I think he'll be even harder to guard. A bit left hand dominant yet.

• C: Cook has a lot of raw talent but needs to be better on defense obviously, and especially rebounding. Our team as a whole gives up too many offensive boards. I think he can get there. Kriener to me has a lot of upside and seems to play a good game, and stays active. A better face up shooter than many think, and a rebounder. Would like to see him get more minutes, especially if Wagner is struggling.

Freshman group (Cook, Moss, Bohannon, Kriener, Pemsl) looks extremely good at this stage. Cook may be the only long term star, with Moss having a high ceiling also perhaps, but all the others look like 4 year difference makers. Will be interesting to see this group after they figure out how to play defense, as a lot of these games will tighten up and it will make for a fun Big 10 season even if we're at around .400 at the end.

I hope you're not suggesting the 5 players you singled out as a starting lineup. Baer did get 11rbs playing at PF, where he hasn't played all season (he's a little light for that position) so it's hard fault him too much. Moss was an eye opener as a starter, but he needs more shots, for his as well as Jok's and the team's O. I'd like to see CP and TC tried together as starters, but at least one would need to show their midrange game more than they have (know each has got one). As I've said elsewhere, I admit I didn't think of JB as the starter before this game. Maybe it was the matchup with ND, but you've got to like his toughness and aggression- and the shots are starting to drop.

 

[DanHawkPella]

Hmm, I'd likely start:

PG: Bohannon (Williams)
SG: Moss (Ellingson)
SF: Jok (Baer)
PF: Pemsl (Uhl/Wagner)
C: Cook (Kriener/Wagner)

That would be my top 11, with Wagner and Uhl being the biggest question marks still. Uhl has more negative plays than Wagner, but he can also create more opportunities on offense. Yin/Yang with him.

Baer deserves a lot of minutes, but long term I think Moss's development is key especially since Jok is gone after this year, and so bringing Moss along is a big deal imo. I'm also high on Kriener. That said, will be a long year playing this many young players, for sure.

Oh, and I wouldn't start Cook until he shows he's earned it with effort on defense and rebounding......

 

[EduNeerHawk]

Bottom Line in loss to Notre Dame:

The Fighting Irish made 30 free throws to Iowa's 12.

ya its funny how that works on the road.

Yea...it's Notre Dame on the road. A team that is a preseason pick 5 in the 15 team ACC behind Duke, NC, Virginia and Louisville.

I can appreciate everyone thoughts or opinions but I just would not yet paint this team or any player with such a broad brush. It's just way to early still. And we've played 4 very good teams here in the last 2 weeks. And when they flashed that stat on the screen last night of the # of minutes of experience for the ND starters compared to iowa's....it was like gulp for me on the road in a hostile environment but we still played the game very well. Surprised the heck out of me anyway.

Players have been banged up and Fran is really trying to find the right combinations, the right # of minutes and times to play for all players... Keep giving some rope because unlike so many of these teams we've played, the real good ones, this discovery period takes some time to figure out but I would still not count out any player because they are very talented, athletic and can/will contribute.

Listen to the interview of the players from last night on HawkeyeSports.com. Figuring things out and took a step forward last night. I saw they did too. Many of you have said baby steps needed and here you go.

 

[hawk-i bob]

Or when one team is consistently getting beat defensively and fouling and the other team shoots a lot of jumpers.

good point...agree.

 

[PRPcoach]

What Baer lacks in physical ability he makes up for with grit and smarts
he needs to be on the floor IMO

 

[hooper56]

ND is a really good team and a tremendously good shooting team. Refs gave them a lot more chances at the line than what we got. Yet we were very competitive. I really like our team. Gonna be tough later in the year. Wait and see.

 

[Biggus Blockus]

This team will be fun and frustrating at the same time. I like the Freshman class.

 

[hawksense]

This is what happens when you play a tough non conference schedule. I like it.

We're not good, and we may not be this year. But, we may be, and games like these are the baptism by fire that we need. Hand us our asses now as we're learning, but scatter when we start to understand the college game and our rotations better.

We could be 7-0 and not know a thing about our team. We now know we need major instruction on defense, better board work and valuing possession of the ball. If we improve in those 3 areas, then we can start working on our other shortcomings (an attempt at humor).

 

[hawk-i bob]

This is what happens when you play a tough non conference schedule. I like it.

We're not good, and we may not be this year. But, we may be, and games like these are the baptism by fire that we need. Hand us our asses now as we're learning, but scatter when we start to understand the college game and our rotations better.

We could be 7-0 and not know a thing about our team. We now know we need major instruction on defense, better board work and valuing possession of the ball. If we improve in those 3 areas, then we can start working on our other shortcomings (an attempt at humor).

agree...and with a young team that had not played a lot of minutes together..and it should be said other than Virginia...its not like SH,Memphis&ND handed our head to us...it certainly could be argued had we actually played better "D'''...much better ...we had a chance in all 3...despite the turnovers & rebounding.

We certainly improved ball handling against ND..little better defensively..rebounding not so much. But still have a long way to go and there is always the possibility to continue to struggle in those areas against teams like ISU & UNI. Fran certainly has a better handle than he did even a week ago.

The best thing about ND...we competed...didn't go into the game thinking we couldn't play well & win. That's a credit to the team & coaches. Pretty impressive considering we started 3 freshman..starting their 1st game.

 

[hawksense]

As we make strides in one area, coaches will try to break us down in another. It will be an ongoing struggle, but this is a part of the deal.

I'm hoping that the ending of the season is a good one. Regardless, welcome to college basketball. Keep filling up the net at the pace you are. That takes care of one problem.

 

[ICWestfan]

What Baer lacks in physical ability he makes up for with grit and smarts
he needs to be on the floor IMO

Yep. He should be coming off the bench to provide energy and should only play as long as he is making positive contributions.

 

[2432Hawk]

Hmm, I'd likely start:

PG: Bohannon (Williams)
SG: Moss (Ellingson)
SF: Jok (Baer)
PF: Pemsl (Uhl/Wagner)
C: Cook (Kriener/Wagner)

That would be my top 11, with Wagner and Uhl being the biggest question marks still. Uhl has more negative plays than Wagner, but he can also create more opportunities on offense. Yin/Yang with him.

Baer deserves a lot of minutes, but long term I think Moss's development is key especially since Jok is gone after this year, and so bringing Moss along is a big deal imo. I'm also high on Kriener. That said, will be a long year playing this many young players, for sure.

Oh, and I wouldn't start Cook until he shows he's earned it with effort on defense and rebounding......

I'd swap Cook and Pemsl. Cook is better facing the basket and guarding on wing vs. in the paint. Pemsl understands positioning and has a better feel for game. The Memphis game you saw it at times in Zone. Fran had Cook on wing with Pemsl in Post.

 

[EastIowaHawk]

We absolutely need every single one of our bigs, because the long season is tremendously grueling on big players' bodies and joints. Cook (finger), Kriener (ankle), Pemsl (groin pull), Jones (fractured wrist) and Jok (knee and chronic shoulder) all have been hurt already and we're only seven games in. I predict our lineup is nowhere remotely set, and will continue to change over the season depending on who's available.

 

[hawkosx]

Bottom Line in loss to Notre Dame:

The Fighting Irish made 30 free throws to Iowa's 12.

One of many examples of why I keep kicking myself for watching Iowa basketball.

 

[Ihawkhoops]

We have one guy capable of dunking the ball without the use of a trampoline and that is Cook. If you think that level of athleticism is sufficient to compete in the big ten, then you have good reason to feel like we are on the right path.

I for one do not. I give the true freshman a pass. They can use youth and inexperience as an excuse. What I have seen from Uhl, Baer, Wagner and Williams to a lesser extent because of limited PT last season is 0 improvement bordering on digression.

Uhl gets accolades from people for his ball handling. Seriously? He catches it and throws it right back. Last night he had a great assist...for Notre Dame. He is a D-1 scholarship athlete in his junior year and we are giddy he can dribble. Uhl has scored 42 points in 135 minutes and is shooting 22% from 3. This from a guy Fran sees as a scorer.

Wagner gives 100% effort and I respect him immensely for this, but what did he work on after last season? No post moves, no jumper, no ball fake, no drop step, nothing added to the arsenal. 107 minutes and 26 points with 12 being free throws, which he shoots at 57% .

In fairness to Williams, he got very little PT last season, but he did not red shirt and had a front row seat to a big ten basketball season. In 131 minutes, he has scored 15 points and has attempted 2 free throws as the starting PG while shooting 27% from the field.

Baer same as Wagner. Maximum effort and hats off to him for hustle, but he has scored 50 points in 151 minutes which is 5 more points than Ellingson with 52 fewer minutes of PT.

As a team, 131st in FG percentage and 103rd in 3 point percentage. The numbers are what they are.

 

[Vbeachawk]

Interesting stats Ihawkhoops. Definitely points out Uhl's and Wagner's lack of development and therefore inability to contribute positively to the success of this team. Iowa was fighting for the lead in the 2nd half when they came in and any momentum that Iowa had disappeared immediately. That is why I feel Riener and Dailey need to see the court a lot more so that hopefully they can fill the void Uhl/Wagner creates when playing. Riener and Dailey contribute as much on the bench as Uhl/Wagner combo do on the court. Stats tell the story.

 

[BirdistheWord]

What Baer lacks in physical ability he makes up for with grit and smarts
he needs to be on the floor IMO

Yes, guy has some stones, see NCAA Tourney game against Nova as evidence (15 pts/4 Boards/2 Steals). He will benefit from better overall spacing, Cook (upon return) and some stronger point guard play.

 

[hawk_it]

Incredibly fun watching this team develop!

 

[hawk-i bob]

it truly is amazing how some people are truly intent to continually point out & single out our players...and their inabilities...doesn't it make you all feel just terrific..

...tell us something we don't know...

 

[hawk-i bob]

Interesting stats Ihawkhoops. Definitely points out Uhl's and Wagner's lack of development and therefore inability to contribute positively to the success of this team. Iowa was fighting for the lead in the 2nd half when they came in and any momentum that Iowa had disappeared immediately. That is why I feel Riener and Dailey need to see the court a lot more so that hopefully they can fill the void Uhl/Wagner creates when playing. Riener and Dailey contribute as much on the bench as Uhl/Wagner combo do on the court. Stats tell the story.

Riener will never see the court.

 

[hawk_it]

Love the fight and tenacity Pemsl showed on the road! This will be good for the confidence of the whole team. In fact the whole attack mode of this team is is fun to watch. Noticed in the ND game less press and the defense not extending out too far. Just need a few more guys to get their confidence going.

 

[RocknRollface]

If Wagner would just commit to one thing like rebounding. There was all this talk that he could shoot the three and was capable. Well, why doesn't he attempt a shot? We have too many guys who are not in settled roles. Fran needs to pare this down to 8, maybe 9 and go from there. Get guys comfortable in their roles.

I wish Wagner would comit to his natural position, wide receiver.

 

[PhantomFlyer]

it truly is amazing how some people are truly intent to continually point out & single out our players...and their inabilities...doesn't it make you all feel just terrific..

...tell us something we don't know...

It's called thinking critically and there's nothing amazing about it. It's what anyone who isn't a sheep a shill does or at least should do.

 

[john rasko]

Spot on Dan! As an over 60 year old fan from Indianola, Iowa, I have seen many Iowa teams. This team has a great potential. But it will take time to develop chemistry! It will be an enjoyable team to watch,winning games it shoud not win and losing games it shoud not.I believe Coach is trying to treat this early season to fit the some pieces of the puzzle together. And the team if it sticks together could be special the following year!!! One of the marks of youth ,as seen in recent weeks in marching , is What do we want ? ... and we want it now!!! As the old, but wise goes: Rome wasn't built in a day!!!

 

[omahawki]

Good write up Dan. I respectfully disagree with Uhl....can't hit a shot from outside 8 ft. and plays weak matador defense....should see nothing but the bench. Pemsl should be playing as much as possible - love the passion and toughness he displayed against ND. I too think Baer has struggled for some reason, and Williams just does not look confident in anything he does on the court. Until the Hawks find some toughness in rebounding the basketball and start playing better team defense it's going to be rough to win games in the B1G. Unfortunately this has been a ongoing weakness of the Hawks since Fran took over. Why not get a transfer or JC power forward that can mix it up with the big boys and rebound? Guard quickness and ball handling is a big question mark also. I'm disappointed in the recruiting of Guards for sure.

 

[gohawks7470]

Yea can't say I agree on Uhl either. I feel like he could be on the way to being this years whipping boy. Crazy to think how good he played early last season to where he is at now. He's always been suspect on defense but last year he was scoring the ball early on. He really tanked mid way through last season and has never recovered. If he isn't scoring the ball, I really don't see what he brings to the table. Other than the ponytail.

 

[Ycusi]

Yes, guy has some stones, see NCAA Tourney game against Nova as evidence (15 pts/4 Boards/2 Steals). He will benefit from better overall spacing, Cook (upon return) and some stronger point guard play.

Reminiscent of Oglesby raining threes on Indiana (while Indiana was winning by 40).

 

[hawk-i bob]

Being critical is one thing...posting such over & over & over & over...is an "agenda"....nothing more than that. Its not even good basketball talk..its where after sitting around the table...everyone gets up & walks out.

 

[Joes Place]

Spot on Dan! As an over 60 year old fan from Indianola, Iowa, I have seen many Iowa teams. This team has a great potential. But it will take time to develop chemistry! It will be an enjoyable team to watch,winning games it shoud not win and losing games it shoud not.I believe Coach is trying to treat this early season to fit the some pieces of the puzzle together. And the team if it sticks together could be special the following year!!! One of the marks of youth ,as seen in recent weeks in marching , is What do we want ? ... and we want it now!!! As the old, but wise goes: Rome wasn't built in a day!!!

Yep....playing so many true and RS freshmen means growing pains. We are not Kentucky, where we can recruit 5 5-star players who can adjust quickly to the speed of the college game. We have kids who can turn into solid players over the course of a year or two.

They are weak on defense, and are going to struggle at times on offense. But the 1st half comeback vs. ND was a very good sign of things to come.

A lot of the early development is getting rid of the bad habits and sloppy play they 'get away with' in pick-up ball and against lower quality opponents (one reason I've never been a big fan of the summer PTL). Unlearning those tendencies that become turnovers and blocked shot attempts and poor shot selection takes time. Learning the switch-offs for different defensive schemes takes time. FM has demonstrated an ability to develop quite a few raw players into solid Big Ten performers. I expect no different with this group, but it's not going to happen in a week or two.