Updated thoughts after ND

[PRPcoach]

I wasn't going to post this - but what the hell.
I almost wish Jok would have gone pro. He is fun to watch, and will shoot us to a couple of wins I'm sure.
He also takes tons of low percentage shots, keeps jacking them up when cold, and brings little to the flow of the offense. He is also a below average defender.
IF he were not on the roster, we would probably lose more games than with him THIS season, but I have a feeling (that I can never prove) that dividends would be paid in FUTURE seasons with guys figuring out how to play with each other and make up the difference on the offensive end.
Not really a Jok blast, but just an opinion

 

[aintlifeordeath]

I just love this team and think Fran is doing a great job! Its only year 7... by year 17 or so I think we can be a contender to make the tourney more often than not. Give him time to get his own players in there for crying out loud!

Sooner or later he is going to land a PG, but even now I just love Williams because he has long arms and looks like a ballplayer so I don't see how anyone can complain with that. And Maishe Dailey looks like a ballplayer too, so I am really upbeat about him.

Actually, Connor McCaffery will be here next year to take over the PG, if he doesn't take over center field for the Cubs next year instead. He can nearly beat HS guys off the dribble, so we won't have to worry about that position for four more years. When Patrick gets old enough to take his rightful spot he will dominate the inside every bit as much as Connor controls the perimeter. We know this because they are Fran's kids, so it has to be so.

Dom Uhl is going to be a player when he figures it all out! Come on, he is only a junior, how can you expect so much from him? He looks really smooth as he turns the ball over and puts up bricks, so its only a matter of time before his potential ripens. And his catchy looking hair helps change that country boy image we have here at Iowa, so that is an added bonus.

Jok is a great shooter, so who cares if he has no interest in playing defense? Same for Cook. He can dunk really well, so if he doesn't like defense or rebounding, so what? You can't expect Fran to demand defensive effort from these two or anyone else for that matter. Maybe it will all come around on its own someday, and if it does we will be tough to beat. This thought excites me!

Wagner is athletic, so if he ever learns to shoot, rebound, dribble, or pass the ball he could be a heck of a player. I like what I see!

If anything, I think the team's struggles are our fault as fans for not being more supportive and positive. I blame myself for only thinking of positive thoughts about the team and Fran during my waking ours. If I could train myself to dream about them as well I really believe it would make a difference.

Please, everyone, give Fran some time! You can't turn a basketball team around in just seven years. Help is on the way, but when it gets here you will have to be patient with them too. They might be a few years away from really contributing, and if they never pan out either more help will be on the way after them. Patience! Be positive and enjoy the ride. Keep your head stuck far up Fran's rectum and you will become "noseblind" to mediocrity.

 

[FranklinHawk]

We have one guy capable of dunking the ball without the use of a trampoline and that is Cook. If you think that level of athleticism is sufficient to compete in the big ten, then you have good reason to feel like we are on the right path.

You may very well have some good points in your post, but when you start with this it makes it tough to take the rest of what you say seriously. There are athletes on this team, the problem is they need to learn to be good basketball players as well. Some will, and likely some won't ever get all the way there.

 

[kjaf]

I agree with most of what was said besides one thing. Uhl has no handles what so ever, every time that guy dribbles I cringe. He's athletic, and has an OK shot of a big man, but no dribbles what so ever.

 

[djwoody]

Lute coached 4 Iowa teams in 9 years to 12 wins or more in a B1G season. Dr. Tom did it 3 times in 13 years (first two with Raveling's players), and Fran had to rebuild from absolutely NOTHING to go 12-6 in the league the past 2 years in his first 6 at Iowa. Yes, he's a terrible coach. (sarcasm)

Note: Iowa Basketball did not exist between 1999-2010.

 

[Drmac22]

i sure hope Wagner does not transfer as I think he can contribute. But it would be cool if he could play some football too. The Hawks could use his size and hands as a receiver, TE maybe..just a thought.

 

[K OKeefe]

PG: Bohannon is just a baller, like his brothers. He is going to have trouble finishing inside and so will be a limited threat to drive against better teams (can't finish easily or pass easily once he's in tight spaces), but he handles and passes pretty well on the perimeter and is not just a good shooter but a fearless shooter. As he gets more reps his shot selection and other decisions should tighten up and be a bit better. Williams on offense just doesn't stretch the court as well as Bohannon and the contributions from his length on both ends don't overcome his smaller offensive contribution, so coming off the bench is a good role.

I question how long teams are going to give him a cushion once they figure out that he does not possess the quickness to take his defender off of the bounce. I will say he does possess a quick trigger which means he does not need much of a window to get the ball off. You are correct he seems to be pretty steady with the ball.

 

[K OKeefe]

Lute coached 4 Iowa teams in 9 years to 12 wins or more in a B1G season. Dr. Tom did it 3 times in 13 years (first two with Raveling's players), and Fran had to rebuild from absolutely NOTHING to go 12-6 in the league the past 2 years in his first 6 at Iowa. Yes, he's a terrible coach. (sarcasm)

Note: Iowa Basketball did not exist between 1999-2010.

Much different league when Lute and Dr. Tom did it. They coached in the B1G when they had to play every team. With expansion and the off balance schedule the league implements the 12 win conference season looks more like 9 or 10 win seasons from back in the day. Of course it depends on the strength of the conference schedule.

 

[PhantomFlyer]

Being critical is one thing...posting such over & over & over & over...is an "agenda"....nothing more than that. Its not even good basketball talk..its where after sitting around the table...everyone gets up & walks out.

No agenda, just honest points, just calling balls and strikes. Oh, btw, thinking critically doesn't mean ones points are always negative. It means not being afraid to be critical, but to call things honestly, to call the balls and strikes. I know that's difficult for some people to do, maybe you would include yourself. For some people shilling is about the only thing they know how to do.

Saying, "this team will get better" over and over again is not good basketball talk and it's not even worthy of a comment. It's the comment your crazy old Uncle Joe makes and he doesn't know anything about the game. And flat out shilling is embarrassing for anyone with any integrity.

 

[RoundRock620]

>Oh, and I wouldn't start Cook until he shows he's earned it with effort on defense and rebounding......

Yeah, well, Cook will start every game while in Iowa. Looks like Fran promises that to major talents to get them to come to Iowa. I have no problem with that, just noticing...

 

[2432Hawk]

Lute coached 4 Iowa teams in 9 years to 12 wins or more in a B1G season. Dr. Tom did it 3 times in 13 years (first two with Raveling's players), and Fran had to rebuild from absolutely NOTHING to go 12-6 in the league the past 2 years in his first 6 at Iowa. Yes, he's a terrible coach. (sarcasm)

Note: Iowa Basketball did not exist between 1999-2010.

To be fair there should be an * by the 12 wins benchmark. More conference games are played now.

 

[RoundRock620]

I love when Uhl rebounds and starts fast break. His ball handling is exceptional for a big man. He will figure out penetration but he will never figure out better shooting, too late for that. I still think he will be a significant contributor.

 

[HoustonHawkeye]

If you look at MSU as the baseline to measure against, we better focus on our defense and rebounding. It will win you more games than a high scoring team, though it is great to have scorers on your team.

 

[djwoody]

To be fair there should be an * by the 12 wins benchmark. More conference games are played now.

Nope, these were all 18 game conference seasons. The number of teams in the league obviously changed though to an earlier point.

 

[hawk_it]

On offense it would be nice to see a big develop a little a short jumper from the free throw line in. Too many times trying to take it all the way into congestion. Just catch, turn and shoot or pass off to a cutter. Then it could open up some better chances of taking it all the way.

 

[EduNeerHawk]

No agenda, just honest points, just calling balls and strikes. Oh, btw, thinking critically doesn't mean ones points are always negative. It means not being afraid to be critical, but to call things honestly, to call the balls and strikes. I know that's difficult for some people to do, maybe you would include yourself. For some people shilling is about the only thing they know how to do.

Saying, "this team will get better" over and over again is not good basketball talk and it's not even worthy of a comment. It's the comment your crazy old Uncle Joe makes and he doesn't know anything about the game. And flat out shilling is embarrassing for anyone with any integrity.

OK umpire then you need to broaden your dang strike zone or are you accurately calling the rulebook strike zone or do you have your own, unwritten, strike zone?

"The STRIKE ZONE is that area over home plate the upper limit of which is a horizontal line at the midpoint between the top of the shoulders and the top of the uniform pants, and the lower level is a line at the hollow beneath the knee cap. The Strike Zone shall be determined from the batter’s stance as the batter is prepared to swing at a pitched ball."

Pretty straightforward I guess but this is certainly not easy for an umpire like you I would think. How are you supposed to determine that mid-point between belt and top of shoulder, not when the batter takes his stance, but when he is “prepared to swing at a pitched ball?”

Balls and strikes are never that black and white.

 

[hawk-i bob]

I just love this team and think Fran is doing a great job! Its only year 7... by year 17 or so I think we can be a contender to make the tourney more often than not. Give him time to get his own players in there for crying out loud!

Sooner or later he is going to land a PG, but even now I just love Williams because he has long arms and looks like a ballplayer so I don't see how anyone can complain with that. And Maishe Dailey looks like a ballplayer too, so I am really upbeat about him.

Actually, Connor McCaffery will be here next year to take over the PG, if he doesn't take over center field for the Cubs next year instead. He can nearly beat HS guys off the dribble, so we won't have to worry about that position for four more years. When Patrick gets old enough to take his rightful spot he will dominate the inside every bit as much as Connor controls the perimeter. We know this because they are Fran's kids, so it has to be so.

Dom Uhl is going to be a player when he figures it all out! Come on, he is only a junior, how can you expect so much from him? He looks really smooth as he turns the ball over and puts up bricks, so its only a matter of time before his potential ripens. And his catchy looking hair helps change that country boy image we have here at Iowa, so that is an added bonus.

Jok is a great shooter, so who cares if he has no interest in playing defense? Same for Cook. He can dunk really well, so if he doesn't like defense or rebounding, so what? You can't expect Fran to demand defensive effort from these two or anyone else for that matter. Maybe it will all come around on its own someday, and if it does we will be tough to beat. This thought excites me!

Wagner is athletic, so if he ever learns to shoot, rebound, dribble, or pass the ball he could be a heck of a player. I like what I see!

If anything, I think the team's struggles are our fault as fans for not being more supportive and positive. I blame myself for only thinking of positive thoughts about the team and Fran during my waking ours. If I could train myself to dream about them as well I really believe it would make a difference.

Please, everyone, give Fran some time! You can't turn a basketball team around in just seven years. Help is on the way, but when it gets here you will have to be patient with them too. They might be a few years away from really contributing, and if they never pan out either more help will be on the way after them. Patience! Be positive and enjoy the ride. Keep your head stuck far up Fran's rectum and you will become "noseblind" to mediocrity.

congrats you typed 8 paragraphs making nothing but smart ass comments...ending with telling the majority of posters to keep our heads stuck up Fran's ass.

Course you failed to mention anything about 3 NCAA's in a row...and I will wager you were no where to be found when Iowa started the B1G last year 10-1 but I bet you came running with glee when the team struggled from there.

Yes Iowa fans sometimes get carried away & even exaggerate ...so what..it goes both ways....some can't wait to post their expertise with whats wrong with player X Y Z. Whats the difference? I have no problem with anyone being critical...my problem is the exaggeration ..like the one who actually suggested that Jok was only worried about scoring 30 so he can get his first round draft pick.

So carry on...you & others may have plenty of material this year. Have fun.

 

[aintlifeordeath]

Bob, just trying to offset for a moment all the "give Fran time" and "this team is young" posts. It's season number seven, and both the good and bad all lands on Fran's shoulders. If we are too young that is his fault. If we have no PG, that is his fault. All the borderline BIG players on our roster are his fault. If we ever turn into perennial top 20 team that will also be to his credit, but it hasn't happened yet and we appear to be at least another few years away from being able to say as much.

Take it however you like, but to me its just calling a spade a spade. Trying to polish a turd all the time has to get old, does it not? Believe it or not, over optimism is every bit as annoying as never ending pessimism. That was the simple point of my post.

But the good thing is that it's just a basketball game/team, not something important. I sleep exactly the same whether they win them all or lose them all.

 

[PhantomFlyer]

OK umpire then you need to broaden your dang strike zone or are you accurately calling the rulebook strike zone or do you have your own, unwritten, strike zone?

"The STRIKE ZONE is that area over home plate the upper limit of which is a horizontal line at the midpoint between the top of the shoulders and the top of the uniform pants, and the lower level is a line at the hollow beneath the knee cap. The Strike Zone shall be determined from the batter’s stance as the batter is prepared to swing at a pitched ball."

Pretty straightforward I guess but this is certainly not easy for an umpire like you I would think. How are you supposed to determine that mid-point between belt and top of shoulder, not when the batter takes his stance, but when he is “prepared to swing at a pitched ball?”

Balls and strikes are never that black and white.

Actually it is pretty darn black and white, which is why you can have K-zone, but thanks for helping clear things up. Agree about the human element and some umps suck, which is why MLB should use K-zone or something like it to call balls and strikes. Funny that announcers, and even players bitch about balls and strikes, until we are shown the K-zone. I've never seen a player/coach bitch about balls/strike calls after shown K-zone and if the ump called it right via K-zone. Interesting, isn't it.

Oh, and I'm calling it perfectly according the strike zone, my strike zone doesn't need to be varied. "My problem", according to some, is a dare to call pitches on the outer third of the plate a strike and that pisses some people off, as they believe a strike should only be called when it exactly down the middle of the plate. It's homerism, shilling. It's a game they like to play, I choose not to participate in it anymore, just like I didn't this election season with Trump and Clinton apologists.

 

[PhantomFlyer]

Bob, just trying to offset for a moment all the "give Fran time" and "this team is young" posts. It's season number seven, and both the good and bad all lands on Fran's shoulders. If we are too young that is his fault. If we have no PG, that is his fault. All the borderline BIG players on our roster are his fault. If we ever turn into perennial top 20 team that will also be to his credit, but it hasn't happened yet and we appear to be at least another few years away from being able to say as much.

Take it however you like, but to me its just calling a spade a spade. Trying to polish a turd all the time has to get old, does it not? Believe it or not, over optimism is every bit as annoying as never ending pessimism. That was the simple point of my post.

But the good thing is that it's just a basketball game/team, not something important. I sleep exactly the same whether they win them all or lose them all.

Some of us understood this point which is why we found your post humorous. You did a perfect impression of some of the people on here, but it was likely lost on them. It was like SNL's, Darrell Hammond's, impersonation of Bill Clinton eating a burger at McDonald's. Exaggerated, but at it's core true, and very funny.

 

[hawk-i bob]

Bob, just trying to offset for a moment all the "give Fran time" and "this team is young" posts. It's season number seven, and both the good and bad all lands on Fran's shoulders. If we are too young that is his fault. If we have no PG, that is his fault. All the borderline BIG players on our roster are his fault. If we ever turn into perennial top 20 team that will also be to his credit, but it hasn't happened yet and we appear to be at least another few years away from being able to say as much.

Take it however you like, but to me its just calling a spade a spade. Trying to polish a turd all the time has to get old, does it not? Believe it or not, over optimism is every bit as annoying as never ending pessimism. That was the simple point of my post.

But the good thing is that it's just a basketball game/team, not something important. I sleep exactly the same whether they win them all or lose them all.

..you have a right to your opinion...as others as a right to their opinion. Doesn't make you right nor it does them.
What you said sir...was those that support this coach and his players should "get their head out of his rectum".... that's what you said.

Totally...uncalled for.

 

[hawk-i bob]

a simple point shouldn't include telling people to get their head out of Fran's rectum
a simple point should also include the complete picture....but why do that?

such as 3 straight NCAA appearances .. remember the last time that happened?
... notice how actual team results are always left out of this expertise now called a simple point.

yes sir that indeed is simple.

 

[2432Hawk]

Nope, these were all 18 game conference seasons. The number of teams in the league obviously changed though to an earlier point.

Thanks. I knew we had 4 losses in 86-87 and just assumed 12 wins since that's what we were talking about. It was 14-4 that year.

 

[aintlifeordeath]

so now attacking posters just because they have a different view than yours? hum.

Attacking? Try mocking and nothing else. Good God, you win. Participation awards and safe zones for everyone.

 

[PhantomFlyer]

a simple point shouldn't include telling people to get their head out of Fran's rectum
a simple point should also include the complete picture....but why do that?

such as 3 straight NCAA appearances .. remember the last time that happened?
... notice how actual team results are always left out of this expertise now called a simple point.

yes sir that indeed is simple.

Bob, you know that is more than a misleading point, and not an apples to apples comparison. There are more teams in the NCAA tournament than ever before. 3 years ago they basically got in with a "play-in" game, which in previous years they never would have made the tournament. Iowa really has 2 straight NCAA appearances, and then an expansion aided invite in what used to be called "play in" games. If you have to share a seed with another team, you aren't in the tournament unless you win, for all practical purposes. It's all about money for the NCAA and the networks, so the more creative ways they can come up with to add games, the better for the bottom line.

And that "impressive" NCAA appearance streak is going to come to a screeching halt this year.

 

[TomKakert]

Bob, you know that is more than a misleading point, and not an apples to apples comparison. There are more teams in the NCAA tournament than ever before. 3 years ago they basically got in with a "play-in" game, which in previous years they never would have made the tournament. Iowa really has 2 straight NCAA appearances, and then an expansion aided invite in what used to be called "play in" games. If you have to share a seed with another team, you aren't in the tournament unless you win, for all practical purposes. It's all about money for the NCAA and the networks, so the more creative ways they can come up with to add games, the better for the bottom line.

And that "impressive" NCAA appearance streak is going to come to a screeching halt this year.

Frankly, it's really silly to use the "play-in" game thing at this point. It's in the record book. They lost to Tennessee in that game and it was part of the NCAA Tournament that year. That's a fact. Now, is marking it as a "1st Round" game kind of silly? Yep. But to say Iowa really didn't play in the NCAA Tournament that year is equally as silly. You don't really have to make this whole argument to make the point you really want to make other than to try and getting into a pissing match over something that based on the facts, you know isn't true. Iowa has been invited and participated in the NCAA Tournament the last three years. You can quibble all you want with the semantics and try to discredit the accomplishments of those student-athletes, but it's a fact that they played in the NCAA Tournament three straight years. Are they going to go back for a 4th year in a row? Based on what we have seen thus far this year, no.

And it's really not all about money. I doubt they make much money on those games in Dayton. It was done to give more schools the opportunity to play in the NCAA Tournament that they felt deserved to be in the NCAA Tournament.

 

[2007hawkeye]

Frankly, it's really silly to use the "play-in" game thing at this point. It's in the record book. They lost to Tennessee in that game and it was part of the NCAA Tournament that year. That's a fact. Now, is marking it as a "1st Round" game kind of silly? Yep. But to say Iowa really didn't play in the NCAA Tournament that year is equally as silly. You don't really have to make this whole argument to make the point you really want to make other than to try and getting into a pissing match over something that based on the facts, you know isn't true. Iowa has been invited and participated in the NCAA Tournament the last three years. You can quibble all you want with the semantics and try to discredit the accomplishments of those student-athletes, but it's a fact that they played in the NCAA Tournament three straight years. Are they going to go back for a 4th year in a row? Based on what we have seen thus far this year, no.

And it's really not all about money. I doubt they make much money on those games in Dayton. It was done to give more schools the opportunity to play in the NCAA Tournament that they felt deserved to be in the NCAA Tournament.

And it proves those teams do deserve those shots more often than not. Kinda like Tennessee going to the Sweet 16 after beating Iowa and VCU going to the Final Four as a "play-in".

 

[RocknRollface]

I question how long teams are going to give him a cushion once they figure out that he does not possess the quickness to take his defender off of the bounce. I will say he does possess a quick trigger which means he does not need much of a window to get the ball off. You are correct he seems to be pretty steady with the ball.

If teams have to play closer to take away the 3 it becomes much easier to drive around defenders.

 

[omahawki]

If you look at MSU as the baseline to measure against, we better focus on our defense and rebounding. It will win you more games than a high scoring team, though it is great to have scorers on your team.

Houston I like your way of thinking. It's really tough to lose if the other team can't score. I don't care if the player is a frosh or a Senior, you learn blocking out your man and shuffling your feet.... in they're face defense in grade school. At least I did anyway.

 

[PhantomFlyer]

Frankly, it's really silly to use the "play-in" game thing at this point. It's in the record book. They lost to Tennessee in that game and it was part of the NCAA Tournament that year. That's a fact. Now, is marking it as a "1st Round" game kind of silly? Yep. But to say Iowa really didn't play in the NCAA Tournament that year is equally as silly. You don't really have to make this whole argument to make the point you really want to make other than to try and getting into a pissing match over something that based on the facts, you know isn't true. Iowa has been invited and participated in the NCAA Tournament the last three years. You can quibble all you want with the semantics and try to discredit the accomplishments of those student-athletes, but it's a fact that they played in the NCAA Tournament three straight years. Are they going to go back for a 4th year in a row? Based on what we have seen thus far this year, no.

And it's really not all about money. I doubt they make much money on those games in Dayton. It was done to give more schools the opportunity to play in the NCAA Tournament that they felt deserved to be in the NCAA Tournament.

Come on, Tom, that's pure nonsense and you know it. In years past it would have been called a "play-in" game and call it what you will, it's a quasi-"play-in" game (semantics as you said). Still, my point still stands, even under your rehashing. It's not an apples to apples comparison, it's a misleading stat. True or false: There are more teams in the NCAA today than there were a few (say 5-10 years ago)? If the answer is true, and Iowa would not have been invited prior to the additional teams being added, "it's not getting into a pissing match over something that based on the facts", it's being intellectually honest. It's like Trump voters saying Trump got more votes than any Republican in history. Well, it might be true but it's very misleading because the population has increased every year, and that includes the voting population, so it's not an apples to apples comparison.

You seriously think they didn't add those games for money? Of course they did. Why do you think they expanded it from 32 to 64? Come on, Tom, be honest. It's ALL about money. Why do you think they add schools like Iowa in those games? Because more people will watch Iowa vs Tenn (Xavier vs NC State in the other game), than Slippery Rock vs Colgate. Don't believe me, tell me how many times a power 5 conference school got 11 and 12 seeds in the past? The NCAA is not in the business of handing out "participation" trophies, so they aren't doing it out of the kindness of their heart because "they felt they deserved to be in the NCAA Tournament". I know you aren't this naïve. Plus, the networks could care less "who deserves to get in", they are paying for the TV coverage of the tournament and they won't do this if they don't think they'll make money.

There will always be bitching about "so and so" should have made the tournament. The NCAA knows this and the networks know this. It was done to make more money for the NCAA tournament. Don't be surprised if the NCAA/networks don't add more teams or an entire another round (Bob Knight has been calling for this since they expanded to 64 teams).

 

[K OKeefe]

If teams have to play closer to take away the 3 it becomes much easier to drive around defenders.

Well we shall see how that works. I personally believe ND had very little scouting on Bohannon. After all, it was not like he lighting it up prior to his 1st start. Bohannon does not have the quickness to drive to the basket. If you think that he possess that skill then you were not watching the game. Matt Farrell drove around him several times. The true test for Bohannon will be once teams game plan for him.

 

[K OKeefe]

And it's really not all about money. I doubt they make much money on those games in Dayton. It was done to give more schools the opportunity to play in the NCAA Tournament that they felt deserved to be in the NCAA Tournament.

Sorry, but I find it just a bit naive to think that the NCAA cares about anything but revenues.

 

[Fan In Black]

I just love this team and think Fran is doing a great job! Its only year 7... by year 17 or so I think we can be a contender to make the tourney more often than not. Give him time to get his own players in there for crying out loud!

Sooner or later he is going to land a PG, but even now I just love Williams because he has long arms and looks like a ballplayer so I don't see how anyone can complain with that. And Maishe Dailey looks like a ballplayer too, so I am really upbeat about him.

Actually, Connor McCaffery will be here next year to take over the PG, if he doesn't take over center field for the Cubs next year instead. He can nearly beat HS guys off the dribble, so we won't have to worry about that position for four more years. When Patrick gets old enough to take his rightful spot he will dominate the inside every bit as much as Connor controls the perimeter. We know this because they are Fran's kids, so it has to be so.

Dom Uhl is going to be a player when he figures it all out! Come on, he is only a junior, how can you expect so much from him? He looks really smooth as he turns the ball over and puts up bricks, so its only a matter of time before his potential ripens. And his catchy looking hair helps change that country boy image we have here at Iowa, so that is an added bonus.

Jok is a great shooter, so who cares if he has no interest in playing defense? Same for Cook. He can dunk really well, so if he doesn't like defense or rebounding, so what? You can't expect Fran to demand defensive effort from these two or anyone else for that matter. Maybe it will all come around on its own someday, and if it does we will be tough to beat. This thought excites me!

Wagner is athletic, so if he ever learns to shoot, rebound, dribble, or pass the ball he could be a heck of a player. I like what I see!

If anything, I think the team's struggles are our fault as fans for not being more supportive and positive. I blame myself for only thinking of positive thoughts about the team and Fran during my waking ours. If I could train myself to dream about them as well I really believe it would make a difference.

Please, everyone, give Fran some time! You can't turn a basketball team around in just seven years. Help is on the way, but when it gets here you will have to be patient with them too. They might be a few years away from really contributing, and if they never pan out either more help will be on the way after them. Patience! Be positive and enjoy the ride. Keep your head stuck far up Fran's rectum and you will become "noseblind" to mediocrity.

I dont agree with everything but this qas funny. lol

 

[RocknRollface]

Well we shall see how that works. I personally believe ND had very little scouting on Bohannon. After all, it was not like he lighting it up prior to his 1st start. Bohannon does not have the quickness to drive to the basket. If you think that he possess that skill then you were not watching the game. Matt Farrell drove around him several times. The true test for Bohannon will be once teams game plan for him.

All I said is the simple fact that the closer a defender plays, especially with his hands up, the easier it is to drive around them. If you can get your shoulder past them they are beat.

Its why Mike Gessell couldn't go anywhere because teams played him three steps back because they knew he wouldn't pull up at the 3.

I don't think Bohanon is a starting caliber big ten player and some defenders will be able to totally shut him down but he will occasionally be able to get around his man if they play him to take away the 3.

 

[PhantomFlyer]

Sorry, but I find it just a bit naive to think that the NCAA cares about anything but revenues.

Agree, and don't think there's anything wrong with it but just don't be naïve to think money isn't their primary motive. It's why the NCAA football playoff expanded from 2 to 4 and why it will probably expand from 4 to 8 teams down the road.

 

[PhantomFlyer]

All I said is the simple fact that the closer a defender plays, especially with his hands up, the easier it is to drive around them. If you can get your shoulder past them they are beat.

Its why Mike Gessell couldn't go anywhere because teams played him three steps back because they knew he wouldn't pull up at the 3.

I don't think Bohanon is a starting caliber big ten player and some defenders will be able to totally shut him down but he will occasionally be able to get around his man if they play him to take away the 3.

How many times has Jok been able to go around his guy? People have to guard him outside and he still struggles to drive around anyone. You still have to have good handles and some quickness. Part of MG problem was that everything got swatted away when he did get by a defender. Plus, I think MG was quicker than Bohannon. You may be correct, and time will tell but JB isn't going to have many shooting games like he did last game. Teams have been able to ignore him prior to ND and hasn't killed them with his outside shooting. He's a 2G playing the point. I just don't think he has the handles or quickness to blow by many people, even if they are playing him tighter. Hope I'm wrong and he continues to give Iowa a deadly shot from beyond the arc and is able to beat guys off the dribble. If he does then he's going to be an all-Big player in the coming years.

 

[BirdistheWord]

Reminiscent of Oglesby raining threes on Indiana (while Indiana was winning by 40).

somewhat fair as to your point game was not close (though not 40) but....he was the only guy who did not look scared and at least stopped it from being a complete embarrassment

 

[CanadaHawk]

All I said is the simple fact that the closer a defender plays, especially with his hands up, the easier it is to drive around them. If you can get your shoulder past them they are beat.

Its why Mike Gessell couldn't go anywhere because teams played him three steps back because they knew he wouldn't pull up at the 3.

I don't think Bohanon is a starting caliber big ten player and some defenders will be able to totally shut him down but he will occasionally be able to get around his man if they play him to take away the 3.

You make some good points RnR, about how JB can be effective. But if he is effective, isn't he a starting caliber PG? Not all of those are all-B1G. Compared to MG, I see him as maybe a little quicker, but not as able to finish at the rim because of MG's hops. However, he's a more naturally aggressive scorer, which gives him an advantage in drawing a D to him, a big plus for a PG, not just for driving but for passing, opening up lanes to make plays.

 

[HawkRugged17]

How many times has Jok been able to go around his guy? People have to guard him outside and he still struggles to drive around anyone. You still have to have good handles and some quickness. Part of MG problem was that everything got swatted away when he did get by a defender. Plus, I think MG was quicker than Bohannon. You may be correct, and time will tell but JB isn't going to have many shooting games like he did last game. Teams have been able to ignore him prior to ND and hasn't killed them with his outside shooting. He's a 2G playing the point. I just don't think he has the handles or quickness to blow by many people, even if they are playing him tighter. Hope I'm wrong and he continues to give Iowa a deadly shot from beyond the arc and is able to beat guys off the dribble. If he does then he's going to be an all-Big player in the coming years.

There's more than one way to be effective as a PG. Bring the ball down, start the offense, find the open man on the break, spot up for 3's and feed the post. Taking guys off the dribble is great, but won't be a strength of JB's. However, if he can create space by taking his defender with him, that will open up space for the interior players like Cook and Pemsl to operate.

Teams can be effective without players that take their guys off the dribble. Wisconsin has done it for years. Also, Ryan Arcidiacano (Nova) didn't take his man off the dribble very often. But he knew how to get his team into their offense, find the open man, and hit the jumper when he was open.

Here's a link to his debut for Villanova. They use screens to get him open when he has the ball and he spots up when he doesn't have the ball. JB can be used effectively in this way.

 

[PhantomFlyer]

There's more than one way to be effective as a PG. Bring the ball down, start the offense, find the open man on the break, spot up for 3's and feed the post. Taking guys off the dribble is great, but won't be a strength of JB's. However, if he can create space by taking his defender with him, that will open up space for the interior players like Cook and Pemsl to operate.

Teams can be effective without players that take their guys off the dribble. Wisconsin has done it for years. Also, Ryan Arcidiacano (Nova) didn't take his man off the dribble very often. But he knew how to get his team into their offense, find the open man, and hit the jumper when he was open.

Here's a link to his debut for Villanova. They use screens to get him open when he has the ball and he spots up when he doesn't have the ball. JB can be used effectively in this way.

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You've just described a good 2G, not a good PG. Bohannon doesn't have great handles, nor is he a great passer. As mentioned earlier there are going to be games the outside shot isn't falling you want someone who can drive and get to the FT line. Plus, JB isn't quick enough to guard PG's. He would be much more effective at the 2G. He's the best they have but it's not good enough, imo, if they want to ever contend for the B1G title.