Urban gets ONLY 3 games suspension?

[doughuddl2]

I'll be devil's advocate here:

I am not sure why everyone thinks he should be fired. First, the compliance issue is a non-issue with Meyer. The compliance office knew about the accusations. The AD knew about them, what else is Meyer supposed to do.

Secondly, be careful about making someone judge, jury and executioner when it comes to issues like domestic abuse. There are instances that are obvious and should be handled immediately. This instance I don't know but there were never any charges. It sounds like an on-going thing between Chris Smith and his wife. If the police did not pursue anything why is Meyer all of a sudden supposed to be executioner. Unless I had some explicit evidence that justified immediate attention, I would have let it play out in the judicial system as well if I were in a similar situation. You could say he should not have hired Smith at OSU with the possible baggage he had at Florida. I would not have brought him in with my team if I were in the same situation. Termination for poor judgement in this case I feel would be a bit over the top not knowing all the details with Chris Smith and his wife.

As far as the cell phone thing being wiped clean before he handed it in. Smart move. Nothing on there other than roses would have helped Meyer so why wouldn't he wipe it clean. I don't care how bad it looks that was the correct move if you are Meyer.

A three game suspension for lying to a reporter with a question he was not prepared for and poor judgement on bringing Chris Smith with him from Florida. You could add a game or two but that sounds about right to me unless there is more than we are seeing/hearing on the Chris Smith issues.

So if UM's son-in-law would have choked his daughter do you think he would have tried to talked her out of pressing charges and kept him of staff the next 4-5 years?

OSU loses first recruit.
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[doughuddl2]

I didn't say it wasn't a scumbag move. Don't put words in my mouth. I said from Meyer's point of view it was the smart move.

You're right you didn't say scumbag you said smart.

 

[BubsFinn]

I don't know what should be more embarrassing for O$u; Meyer's apology or Meyer's apology for his apology.

 

[mtown66]

So are you trying to compare a fishing buddy of possibly abusing his wife to a head coach of one of the top 5 college football programs whose wife and he knew for a fact there was abuse at past job (I.e. were they “counseled” them) and she finds out again that it has happened again at new job where both are mandatory reporters as state employees.

Sorry your scenario is so far off from urban Meyers in so many facets it’s not even close. Quite laughable actually and a miserable fail.

My point is why should Urban be held responsible for reporting anything about his coaches that doesn't occur while coaching or doesn't effect anyone else associated with the university? Mrs. Smith is the person who needed to step up not her husband's boss or her husband's boss's boss.

 

[doughuddl2]

My point is why should Urban be held responsible for reporting anything about his coaches that doesn't occur while coaching or doesn't effect anyone else associated with the university? Mrs. Smith is the person who needed to step up not her husband's boss or her husband's boss's boss.

New paragraph 4.1 (e) of Meyer's extension reads:

Coach shall promptly report to Ohio State's Title IX Athletics any known violations of Ohio State's Sexual Misconduct Policy (including, but not limited to, sexual harassment, sexual assault, sexual exploitation, intimate violence and stalking) that involve any student, faculty or staff or that is in connection with a university sponsored activity or event. ... For purposes of this Section 4.1 (e), a "known violation" shall mean a violation or allegation of a violation of Title IX that Coach is aware of or has reasonable cause is taking place or may have taken place.

Ohio State's Sexual Misconduct policy , under the auspices of Title IX, requires all university employees to report what they know. Under domestic abuse, Ohio State's threshold is not whether a person has been charged. It reads in part, "An individual need not be charged with or convicted of a criminal offense to be found responsible for domestic violence pursuant to this policy."


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[Obviously Oblivious]

In retrospect I now understand why tOSU BoT handed UM such a weak disciplinary measure. As Hawkeye fans we care a lot about our school, the teams, players and coaches but winning alone has never been the primary goal and I suspect many Hawkeye fans would turn their back on our programs if we felt our schools athletic programs had to compromise our integrity and moral compass to win at the highest levels.

tOSU fans don’t adhere to that line of reasoning. Winning is everything. It does not matter what nefarious measures must be taken, nor how many people must be destroyed, chewed up and spit out to achieve those wins. Collateral damage is always acceptable to tOSU fan base, as long as the wins continue to pile up. They’re a dangerous and psychopathic bunch who will eat their own if necessary. Ask Kirk Herbstreit about the death threats he and his family endured after he slighted his alma mater. The trustees were looking out for themselves. Self preservation is a strong motivator.

 

[mtown66]

New paragraph 4.1 (e) of Meyer's extension reads:

Coach shall promptly report to Ohio State's Title IX Athletics any known violations of Ohio State's Sexual Misconduct Policy (including, but not limited to, sexual harassment, sexual assault, sexual exploitation, intimate violence and stalking) that involve any student, faculty or staff or that is in connection with a university sponsored activity or event. ... For purposes of this Section 4.1 (e), a "known violation" shall mean a violation or allegation of a violation of Title IX that Coach is aware of or has reasonable cause is taking place or may have taken place.

Ohio State's Sexual Misconduct policy , under the auspices of Title IX, requires all university employees to report what they know. Under domestic abuse, Ohio State's threshold is not whether a person has been charged. It reads in part, "An individual need not be charged with or convicted of a criminal offense to be found responsible for domestic violence pursuant to this policy."


https://articles.cleveland.com/osu/2018/08/the_new_clause_in_urban_meyers.amp

I know what his contract says. I, also, know that I would have told OSU to stick it because I would not sign it because I don't believe that I should be held responsible for reporting other people actions away from the job. I refuse to be part of the PC police state. Doesn't mean that I wouldn't take action against someone committing such a grievous offense, but I would refuse to be put into such a position.

 

[doughuddl2]

I know what his contract says. I, also, know that I would have told OSU to stick it because I would not sign it because I don't believe that I should be held responsible for reporting other people actions away from the job. I refuse to be part of the PC police state. Doesn't mean that I wouldn't take action against someone committing such a grievous offense, but I would refuse to be put into such a position.

So you're against reporting crimes. Hope you don't have neighbors like yourself.

 

[mtown66]

So you're against reporting crimes. Hope you don't have neighbors like yourself.

Hey, I know that you are a dumb shit but I'm curious about what part of, ''Doesn't mean that I wouldn't take action against someone committing such a grievous offense'' means that I'm against reporting crimes. Would you sign a contract that FORCES you to report against your fellow man or you would get fired and gives you no leeway other than be put on leave while YOU'RE being investigated to determine whether, or not, something should be reported? I wouldn't and I would tell OSU to shove it and I'd go coach somewhere else where I wouldn't have to sign such Orwellian nonsense. And, that still doesn't mean that I wouldn't report a crime that I witnessed to the proper authorities who in my book would be the police. I don't adhere to the Penn State policy of reporting to your superior and forgetting about it while they cover it up.

 

[anon_8rcdnbko1jbe0]

Hey, I know that you are a dumb shit but I'm curious about what part of, ''Doesn't mean that I wouldn't take action against someone committing such a grievous offense'' means that I'm against reporting crimes. Would you sign a contract that FORCES you to report against your fellow man or you would get fired and gives you no leeway other than be put on leave while YOU'RE being investigated to determine whether, or not, something should be reported? I wouldn't and I would tell OSU to shove it and I'd go coach somewhere else where I wouldn't have to sign such Orwellian nonsense. And, that still doesn't mean that I wouldn't report a crime that I witnessed to the proper authorities who in my book would be the police. I don't adhere to the Penn State policy of reporting to your superior and forgetting about it while they cover it up.

I think the point here is that Meyer DID sign the contract. So it's not a hypothetical as to the verbiage and what was expected of him. It sounds like you would mandate for a stronger personal responsibility stance from any coach which I certainly agree with. But I feel those coaches contracts have more to do with the University protecting itself from lawsuits then it does being a police state situation.