Poor Urban has been outspoken about how unhappy he is with the early signing period. Two five stars and 14 4-star signees. Urban would like everybody to wait so that in case one of his underclassmen turn pro, he can poach from someone else. It’s hard not feeling sorry for him.
Urban Meyer: cry me a river
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Awww. Is Urban gonna have to actually do some work and evaluate talent? That breaks my heart.
Screw you urban, oh yeah, merry Christmas everyone
You guys, I was having a rough couple days, but this...........this just broke my heart. That poor, poor man.
Notice how the coach of blue blood teams are crying non-stop about this.
Saban isn't a fan of it either. Buckle up and stop complaining, you get paid millions of dollars a year at top level programs. You already have more than enough advantages at your disposal.
Honestly, I want Saban to go down more than Urban. (Idk about him personally, but as a coach) fudge that guy. I hope he loses and retires.
Just need to recruit better.....
I loved seeing the mighty Nick Saban wallowing and crying about the possibility of being left out of the CFP.
Of course it worked because college football would never survive without having Alabama in the playoffs for a fourth year.
I do wonder if in a few years this early signing will have the same effect as when scholarships went down to 95 and then 85.
Yes the top schools are going to always get the top guys. But now their backup plan just took a huge hit.
Yes the top schools are going to always get the top guys. But now their backup plan just took a huge hit.
Now that I know Urban hates it, I love it.
Thinking the same thing. If the blue bloods hate it, it's probably good for teams like Iowa, NW, PU, etc.
Yep. The blue print used to be: Wait until the last day for your top 5* prospect and when he goes elsewhere, go to a program that produces players at that position and poach their top commits. Not any more! Now you gotta actually put some work in on the fall back recruits. Or settle on a lower level player that they can get to sign in December, rather than risk waiting until Feb 1st, for their home run.
The amount of ignorance in this thread is absolutely off the charts.
1. The Buckeyes still signed the number one class in the country by average recruit ranking this year, and over the last two years they have signed the number one and number two classes by avg recruit, over any other school in the country, even Alabama, Clemson, USC, etc. Top tier schools still have all the leverage in the world to tell secondary four star targets to wait until February, this doesn't hurt them at all. Michigan poached the Iowa recruit they wanted this year EXACTLY like in years past. Nothing changed.
2. There is absolutely nothing from stopping the blue chip schools from leveraging their offers to the top recruits into earlier signings, and that's exactly what happened. The Buckeyes aren't even currently recruiting any five stars for this year anymore, they all decided on the early signing day, EVERY. SINGLE. ONE. How dumb do you have to be to think that's a coincidence and that they are now magically missing out on on these secondary targets? In sales, it's all about leverage, guess which group of schools still has all the leverage?
3. Meyer criticized the change because the new signing date is before the coaching carousel is finished. There are often numerous coaches leaving in January after bowl season but before the old February signing period. Now those kids will be screwed because even if they can get out of their LOI's to the schools who have coaches leave in January, many of the schools that were their second choices will no longer have room. He also said it gives the southern schools more of an advantage on two fronts; they have more chances to evaluate kids with spring football that don't exist in B1G country, and conferences like the SEC don't have over-signing rules in place like the B1G does. These are very good points to any B1G fan with an IQ over 80.
4. Keep this circle jerk fantasy thread that this is going to magically benefit lower tier schools and hurt the top tier schools of the world though, and not hurt kids who have been lied to by millionaire coaches, despite all evidence pointing to the contrary.... It's actually pretty hilarious to watch.
1. The Buckeyes still signed the number one class in the country by average recruit ranking this year, and over the last two years they have signed the number one and number two classes by avg recruit, over any other school in the country, even Alabama, Clemson, USC, etc. Top tier schools still have all the leverage in the world to tell secondary four star targets to wait until February, this doesn't hurt them at all. Michigan poached the Iowa recruit they wanted this year EXACTLY like in years past. Nothing changed.
2. There is absolutely nothing from stopping the blue chip schools from leveraging their offers to the top recruits into earlier signings, and that's exactly what happened. The Buckeyes aren't even currently recruiting any five stars for this year anymore, they all decided on the early signing day, EVERY. SINGLE. ONE. How dumb do you have to be to think that's a coincidence and that they are now magically missing out on on these secondary targets? In sales, it's all about leverage, guess which group of schools still has all the leverage?
3. Meyer criticized the change because the new signing date is before the coaching carousel is finished. There are often numerous coaches leaving in January after bowl season but before the old February signing period. Now those kids will be screwed because even if they can get out of their LOI's to the schools who have coaches leave in January, many of the schools that were their second choices will no longer have room. He also said it gives the southern schools more of an advantage on two fronts; they have more chances to evaluate kids with spring football that don't exist in B1G country, and conferences like the SEC don't have over-signing rules in place like the B1G does. These are very good points to any B1G fan with an IQ over 80.
4. Keep this circle jerk fantasy thread that this is going to magically benefit lower tier schools and hurt the top tier schools of the world though, and not hurt kids who have been lied to by millionaire coaches, despite all evidence pointing to the contrary.... It's actually pretty hilarious to watch.
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In my meanderings across the web this early signing period, the only fans/coaches pissing and moaning about this new rule were the big boys.
Granted, the big boys were still the big boys...but to me, all this really does is moving the goal posts 6 weeks up assuming all the other contact/no contact dates stay the exact same.
I've never understood the need for a signing date anyway. If a kid knows where he wants to go, he ought to be able to sign any time.
Granted, the big boys were still the big boys...but to me, all this really does is moving the goal posts 6 weeks up assuming all the other contact/no contact dates stay the exact same.
I've never understood the need for a signing date anyway. If a kid knows where he wants to go, he ought to be able to sign any time.
With all of this fabulous recruiting shouldn't Urban be able to be close in a game against Iowa? To be in the playoffs? Must lack some coaching skills or something
1. No, they don't have that leverage. Not any longer. The recruit used to hold down a spot at a 2nd tier program as a "verbal", right up until signing day. And then flip to the blue blood when that blue blood's option A fell through. Lower tier programs will now walk away and find another recruit when these players refuse to sign in December.
2. The fact that Ohio State can now leverage the top prospects into signing in December, like they did to get that top recruiting class, actually works out great for lower tier programs too. The faster the OSU's of the world sign their recruits, the less chance of lower tier programs having to scramble to fill spots with marginal D-1 prospects.
3. Meyer doesn't give a shit about the "coaching carousel". So, just stop that line of discussion before you embarrass yourself further. I guess Meyer's going to have to get off his fat ass and spend more time in the south, where he can evaluate that same talent. Sucks to be Urban. Heaven forbid Urban Meyer doesn't get time to sign the best talent from down South. Boo hoo hoo.
4. This IS going to benefit lower tier schools. Especially the developmental programs. I'm not even sure how you are having a hard time understanding this. This isn't about lower tier schools out recruiting the OSUs of the world. It's about keeping the 2 or 3 best prospects from flipping at the last minute and leaving these schools in the lurch. Scrambling to fill those spots. If the lower tier programs avg 2 to 3 more top prospects per class, that = 12 potential starters over a 4 year period. That's huge for these programs and it will slowly close the gap between the the top tier and the lower tier programs, to a more competitive level.
It won't ever erase the difference. You still benefit from a great in-state recruiting advantage and that's not likely to change.
In general I agree. The only caveat I would put in is some sort of rule where they can’t sign within a week of a visit. Otherwise, you’d get snake oil salesmen of coaches trying to force them to sign on the dotted line no matter what it took. I believe that’s the main reason for a signing period in the first place, but there’s better ways to do it.
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