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USAID is basically the CIA on Steroids

US isolationism has never ended well. But I'm sure THIS time will be different. And while we divorce ourselves from certain world events and long-time allies, we actively support an illegal invasion and land grab by one of the most repressive dictators in the world. But I'm sure he'll stop wherever we "negotiate" our capitulation.

You think this won't cost us a fortune in the long run?
That’s a pretty stretch you are making. We are talking about fraud, waste and USAID funneling money through NGOs. I’m not in favor of isolationism. I’m in favor of providing true aid to foreign countries who need it.

Do we I think we should fund, through USAID, a copy cat Twitter platform to citizens in Cuba with the end goal of swaying their politics? Thanks just one of the examples Mike Benz gave on the podcast.
 
I have no idea who Benz is. Apparently he is so famous that I've never heard of him. I do know Rogan and his batshit crazy beliefs. Apparently you are about as Alpha as him.

But if you don't think providing food to starving people is not a good investment, I suggest you find your way to a 3rd world country
I think you’d be hard pressed to find any decent human who would deny food to starving people. So stop funding LGBTQ pamphlets and buy some food instead. I don’t get why this is not easily agreed to.
 
I think you’d be hard pressed to find any decent human who would deny food to starving people. So stop funding LGBTQ pamphlets and buy some food instead. I don’t get why this is not easily agreed to.

Show me how much money is being spent on LGBTQ pamphlets. U.S. foreign aid accounted 1.2 % of the 2024 budget.

I don't think you would be hard pressed to find people to say f' em. Let them starve.

Starvation, lack of clean water, and no vaccines will be OUR problem eventually.
 
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The only reason USAID is in the news...the ONLY reason Rogan is even mentioning it, is Trump. The only reason you're posting it here, is Trump. And the ONLY reason Trump "used it" in his first term is there were still Republicans with some shred of character left who had the moral backbone to oppose him. What Trump wanted to do in his first term, he is doing now...and here you are backing his play. Don't pretend otherwise. And if you DON'T see it...well...open your eyes man.

And that bit about "zero oversight"...that's the dumbest thing you posted in this thread.
So given that most of us agree that USAID is likely rife with funding for suspicious NGO entities could it be a very easy first target for DOGE? Bring up these silly examples like LGBTQ pamphlets in countries who have starving people, get the taxpayers really stirred up, score an easy victory and then hunt for some bigger game at other agencies?
 
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Show me how much money is being spent on LGBTQ pamphlets. U.S. foreign aid accounted 1.2 % of the 2024 budget.

I don't think you would be hard pressed to find people to say f' em. Let them starve.

Starvation, lack of clean water, and no vaccines will be OUR problem eventually.
Oh I think we have some of those issues already right here . So let’s stop those small dollar amounts that nonetheless ADD UP.
 
Oh I think we have some of those issues already right here . So let’s stop those small dollar amounts that nonetheless ADD UP.

Broad strokes to fix something is never the way to go.

I want to see the numbers on said pamphlets. Micro-pennies on the dollar if even true.

It is all about polarizing society. Divide and conquer.
 
Show me how much money is being spent on LGBTQ pamphlets. U.S. foreign aid accounted 1.2 % of the 2024 budget.

I don't think you would be hard pressed to find people to say f' em. Let them starve.

Starvation, lack of clean water, and no vaccines will be OUR problem eventually.
Did you know it would cost $25 billion to make sure no American would go hungry? And $31.5 billion each year for 20 years to have clean water for everyone in America?

So that’s $56.5 billion a year. USAID has a budget of $71.9 billion in 2023. Wouldn’t you agree that we should use $56.5 billion of that to make sure everyone in America has clean water and never goes hungry? We can use the latter for aid to help our allies.
 
Did you know it would cost $25 billion to make sure no American would go hungry? And $31.5 billion each year for 20 years to have clean water for everyone in America?

So that’s $56.5 billion a year. USAID has a budget of $71.9 billion in 2023. Wouldn’t you agree that we should use $56.5 billion of that to make sure everyone in America has clean water and never goes hungry? We can use the latter for aid to help our allies.

What do you budget for an outbreak of a novel virus that just happens to jump from Africa to the US? In your imagination does it cost more or less to mitigate risk than to cleanup catastrophe?
 
Did you know it would cost $25 billion to make sure no American would go hungry? And $31.5 billion each year for 20 years to have clean water for everyone in America?

So that’s $56.5 billion a year. USAID has a budget of $71.9 billion in 2023. Wouldn’t you agree that we should use $56.5 billion of that to make sure everyone in America has clean water and never goes hungry? We can use the latter for aid to help our allies.

Trump doesn't want to feed Americans. He doesn't want clean water based upon his HHS nominee, his Dept of Interior nominee, his Sec of Ag nominee.


How much further do you want me to go? You can say you aren't MAGA, but your content says otherwise.

Too bad.....I thought you had a brain of your own.
 
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What do you budget for an outbreak of a novel virus that just happens to jump from Africa to the US? In your imagination does it cost more or less to mitigate risk than to cleanup catastrophe?
Per googles it is $8.5 billion

 
There are so many examples of how they are using these NGOs created by our political overlords to do covert operations that the CIA use to do. I wonder how Russia got the idea for these bot farms??



This is a wrong take. Have their been CIA hiding behind the USAID flag in the past? Probably but that's not what the organization is about. If it is what you are suggesting, you have to wonder why Trump would want to dismantle it.
 
Trump doesn't want to feed Americans. He doesn't want clean water based upon his HHS nominee, his Dept of Interior nominee, his Sec of Ag nominee.


How much further do you want me to go? You can say you aren't MAGA, but your content says otherwise.

Too bad.....I thought you had a brain of your own.
Again, what does Trump have to do with us using money for covert ops through NGOs under the guise of USAID?

How maga is it to think we should spend that money on clean water and use it on feeding every American? How maga is it to want free college for all? I’m pretty damn close to believing universal health care is the way to go, is that MAGA? I think it is very important to have a Strong NATO. I don’t understand why something the left was all about pre 2012 by being against these type of policies are suddenly all about it?

You can keep painting me whatever way you want because TRUMP!!! but I’m pretty consistent on my views.
 
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This is a wrong take. Have their been CIA hiding behind the USAID flag in the past? Probably but that's not what the organization is about. If it is what you are suggesting, you have to wonder why Trump would want to dismantle it.
dude...for a looooooooong time.
 
This is a wrong take. Have their been CIA hiding behind the USAID flag in the past? Probably but that's not what the organization is about. If it is what you are suggesting, you have to wonder why Trump would want to dismantle it.
But they (NGOs and the spooks) are using it as a front. That is what is so wrong about this whole situation. I’ve stated a couple times we should reform it and not get rid of it.
 
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dude...for a looooooooong time.
There are so many examples going back to 1961.


USAID was founded in 1961, just as Washington was getting more heavily involved in Vietnam. The Kennedy administration's Special Group (Counter-Insurgency) quickly tasked USAID "to coordinate economic assistance programs with military civic action programs." More bluntly: The agency worked hand in glove with the CIA's proxy wars.

In Laos, one of Vietnam's neighbors, USAID helped the CIA arm and feed ethnic Hmong guerrillas fighting communist forces—and, sometimes, to compel the Hmong to do that fighting. "Since USAID decided where the rice was dropped, the Hmong had no choice but to stand and fight," writes historian Alfred McCoy. His 1972 book, The Politics of Heroin in Southeast Asia, also made waves when it claimed USAID was helping Hmong militiamen and other warlords smuggle opium.

Chief of border customs paid/by Central Intelligence's USAID," sang the beatnik poet Allen Ginsberg, who worked with McCoy. "The whole operation, newspapers say/supported by the CIA."

Meanwhile, USAID's Office of Public Safety helped train police and security forces of U.S. allies, including unsavory dictatorships. The office set up an extensive surveillance network in Vietnam and founded an International Police Academy for other anticommunist allies. National Security Adviser Robert Komer argued in 1962 that these programs were "more valuable than Special Forces in our global counter-insurgency efforts."

The controversy came to a head in 1970 when Uruguay's Tupamaros guerrillas kidnapped and murdered USAID adviser Dan Mitrione, who the guerrillas accused of teaching torture to the Uruguayan police. Congress ordered USAID to shut down its Office of Public Safety in 1973. "It matters little whether the charges [of torture] can be substantiated," the Senate Foreign Relations Committee stated. "They inevitably stigmatize the total United States foreign aid effort."

The U.S. government still provides training to foreign police forces—including ones notorious for torture—but those programs are now largely handled by the State Department.
 
Per googles it is $8.5 billion


You're referencing the same budget you've been critiquing as being some sort of partisan waste to funnel money into the hands of your political rulers?

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Did you know it would cost $25 billion to make sure no American would go hungry? And $31.5 billion each year for 20 years to have clean water for everyone in America?

So that’s $56.5 billion a year. USAID has a budget of $71.9 billion in 2023. Wouldn’t you agree that we should use $56.5 billion of that to make sure everyone in America has clean water and never goes hungry? We can use the latter for aid to help our allies.
Let's assume those numbers are correct.

Why not raise the revenues to eliminate hunger and provide clean water to all Americans?

If you can save money on USAID or other agencies by eliminating waste and corruption, that's great, but there's no good reason to wait for that to happen before we tackle hunger and clean water.

You're either for clean water and eliminating hunger in the US, or you aren't.
 
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Let's assume those numbers are correct.

Why not raise the revenues to eliminate hunger and provide clean water to all Americans?

If you can save money on USAID or other agencies by eliminating waste and corruption, that's great, but there's no good reason to wait for that to happen before we tackle hunger and clean water.

You're either for clean water and eliminating hunger in the US, or you aren't.
I am with you WWJD. I’m just using what we are spending on USAID as an example. We can be using those $$$ at home for less than the budget we are forking out to some corrupt organizations.
 
There are so many examples going back to 1961.


USAID was founded in 1961, just as Washington was getting more heavily involved in Vietnam. The Kennedy administration's Special Group (Counter-Insurgency) quickly tasked USAID "to coordinate economic assistance programs with military civic action programs." More bluntly: The agency worked hand in glove with the CIA's proxy wars.

In Laos, one of Vietnam's neighbors, USAID helped the CIA arm and feed ethnic Hmong guerrillas fighting communist forces—and, sometimes, to compel the Hmong to do that fighting. "Since USAID decided where the rice was dropped, the Hmong had no choice but to stand and fight," writes historian Alfred McCoy. His 1972 book, The Politics of Heroin in Southeast Asia, also made waves when it claimed USAID was helping Hmong militiamen and other warlords smuggle opium.

Chief of border customs paid/by Central Intelligence's USAID," sang the beatnik poet Allen Ginsberg, who worked with McCoy. "The whole operation, newspapers say/supported by the CIA."

Meanwhile, USAID's Office of Public Safety helped train police and security forces of U.S. allies, including unsavory dictatorships. The office set up an extensive surveillance network in Vietnam and founded an International Police Academy for other anticommunist allies. National Security Adviser Robert Komer argued in 1962 that these programs were "more valuable than Special Forces in our global counter-insurgency efforts."

The controversy came to a head in 1970 when Uruguay's Tupamaros guerrillas kidnapped and murdered USAID adviser Dan Mitrione, who the guerrillas accused of teaching torture to the Uruguayan police. Congress ordered USAID to shut down its Office of Public Safety in 1973. "It matters little whether the charges [of torture] can be substantiated," the Senate Foreign Relations Committee stated. "They inevitably stigmatize the total United States foreign aid effort."

The U.S. government still provides training to foreign police forces—including ones notorious for torture—but those programs are now largely handled by the State Department.
Is that a USAID problem or a CIA problem?

To put it another way, was the CIA co-opting the "good" USAID for nefarious purposes, or was the USAID intended to be a front for the CIA all along?
 
This is a wrong take. Have their been CIA hiding behind the USAID flag in the past? Probably but that's not what the organization is about. If it is what you are suggesting, you have to wonder why Trump would want to dismantle it.

I think it worth pointing out that Bruno seems to take Joe Rogan and his guests at their word.

Maybe he's too far gone down the rabbit hole?
 
I think it worth pointing out that Bruno seems to take Joe Rogan and his guests at their word.

Maybe he's too far gone down the rabbit hole?
Look at the OP. He brought it up in the pod and I had to look and confirm it. I did that a couple of times throughout this pod and low and behold, #confirmed
 
@BrunoMars420 , I've had to throw myself on a dagger when I was wrong. You need to do the same here. 1.2%

Sorry you hate foreigners and don't understand the concept that if we don't help these starving countries that China will gladly step in.

Go back to school.....
 
Is that a USAID problem or a CIA problem?

To put it another way, was the CIA co-opting the "good" USAID for nefarious purposes, or was the USAID intended to be a front for the CIA all along?
Front is an ugly word, and we really shouldn't be referencing the CIA as if it's some sort of dog whistle.

USAID was, and is, just a soft power tool for advancing US foreign policy interests. In that sense, it's a good thing. Sometimes, the underlying substance was/is driven by CIA, but practically speaking can't be operationalized by them. Enter USAID. Sometimes, it's conduct by other agencies like HHS. Sometimes, it's defense driven, like postwar reconstruction. Sometimes its treasury, like trying to provide assistance in stabilizing currency or developing resources. On occasion, it's good old fashioned charity, like disaster response. But it is always supposed to be a tool of advancing us foreign policy and national security interests, as currently defined.

And those definitions can indeed change. For example, if i were being "truly" charitable about trying to help a developing country that was sitting on mountain of natural resources, I'd probably try to advise them how to develop those resources and invest the money in ways that actually address the needs of their people like, say Norway does. Not USAID in recent years, which consistent with then current green policy, advised not to develop those resources for the benefit of their people. Was that wrong or immoral? Maybe, if you view what usaid does as some purely charitable endeavor. But that's not what it does, and the policy of the us at the time was to instead urge them to promote green energy. So be it. But some of those populations aren't benefiting economically as a result, and some have turned to the Chinese, who are happy to help with large infrastructure projects. Give a man a fish, versus teach a man to fish.

Where it has also gone sideways is when it has grafted all sorts of initiatives that are not mission critical to us interests, but rather are nice little social policy engineering projects which may or may not be compatible with the culture of the place.
 
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if we don't help these starving countries that China will gladly step in.
That was my first thought when I heard Trump was cutting AIDS funding.

The last I heard, most of our AIDS money was going to Africa. Meanwhile, China is making great inroads into that continent - with infrastructure development in exchange for resources and markets.

So let them deal with it.

Callous, and I don't approve. But it's hardball politics - if you like that sort of thing.
 
@BrunoMars420 , I've had to throw myself on a dagger when I was wrong. You need to do the same here. 1.2%

Sorry you hate foreigners and don't understand the concept that if we don't help these starving countries that China will gladly step in.

Go back to school.....
I laid out what it would cost to feed every American and have clean water then followed up with we can use the rest of the USAID budget for helping our allies. I had no idea reading comprehension was this tough for you.

And add another false acquisition about me on the whole foreigners comment. I’m a son of one and my wife is also a daughter of them. It seems to me like your white Privilege is doing a lot of talking at the moment. It never ceases to amaze me how whites think they are always right and talk down to us colored individuals.
 
I"m not talking down to you. I'm pointing out your flawed logic. There is plenty of money in the USA to fix it's water and feed people. Aid to Africa is not stopping us from doing both.


Quit being a fake martyr


I laid out what it would cost to feed every American and have clean water then followed up with we can use the rest of the USAID budget for helping our allies. I had no idea reading comprehension was this tough for you.

And add another false acquisition about me on the whole foreigners comment. I’m a son of one and my wife is also a daughter of them. It seems to me like your white Privilege is doing a lot of talking at the moment. It never ceases to amaze me how whites think they are always right and talk down to us colored individuals.
 
For example, if i were being "truly" charitable about trying to help a developing country that was sitting on mountain of national resources, I'd probably try to advise them how to develop those resources and invest the money in ways that actually address the needs of their people like, say Norway does. Not USAID in recent years, which consistent with then current green policy, how not to develop those resources for the benefit of their people.
Sounds like you think we should have pursued policies that would accelerate the climate crisis. How does that make sense?
 
I laid out what it would cost to feed every American and have clean water then followed up with we can use the rest of the USAID budget for helping our allies. I had no idea reading comprehension was this tough for you.

And add another false acquisition about me on the whole foreigners comment. I’m a son of one and my wife is also a daughter of them. It seems to me like your white Privilege is doing a lot of talking at the moment. It never ceases to amaze me how whites think they are always right and talk down to us colored individuals.
Noblesse oblige.
 
Sounds like you think we should have pursued policies that would accelerate the climate crisis. How does that make sense?
For those countries, it may have made (and still may make) a mountain of sense. But that wasn't our policy, and as I said, 'so be it'.

Not too long ago, all of Europe and the US was talking about how Ukraine was going to have (in a mandatory sense) a green reconstruction. The Ukrainians politely sat there at the conferences and smiled. You think they give a shit about that right about now?
 
I"m not talking down to you. I'm pointing out your flawed logic. There is plenty of money in the USA to fix it's water and feed people. Aid to Africa is not stopping us from doing both.


Quit being a fake martyr
I would stop trying to be a martyr but fake narratives about my positions are making me into one 🙏🙌💪🏿
 
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