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VICE: 'SNL' Cold Opens Are Unfunny, Elitist Pieces of Liberal Propaganda

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On a good night, with the right host, Saturday Night Live can still bring the heat in an unexpected way. Forty-three years in, the corny-wigs-and-voices format is creaky, the sketches are unpolished compared to the generations of innovative sketch shows that have come and gone since SNL launched, and a bad host means the show is borderline unwatchable. But in the past couple weeks, the John Mulaney and Donald Glover episodes have shown what Actually Good SNL can be.("Switcheroo," "Lobster Dinner," and "Lando's Summit" all made me laugh real laughs.) Caring about SNL in 2018 is a weird hobby to have—the bad bits are still punishingly bad, there are a dozen or more prestige-y shows that are more interesting—but you can make worse entertainment choices.

All of this is preamble to say to SNL, I come as a friend: Your cold opens are terrible, cringeworthy pieces of self-satisfied liberal propaganda that are sometimes so bad they seem like parodies of themselves.

Even if you avoid SNL you probably hear about these cold opens, which are consistently politically themed—though "themed" may be too strong a word because they are mostly just recaps of the political news of the week performed by A-list celebrities. Thanks to star power, these sketches inevitably draw headlines, and last weekend's affair (featuring Ben Stiller as Michael Cohen, Scarlet Johansson as Ivanka Trump, and Jimmy Fallon as Jared Kushner) was no exception. And honestly, if you're a fan of Very Famous People Appearing Together on Screen (a very successful genre, if the Avengers franchise is any indication), you'll get your money's worth. Look, Robert de Niro and Stiller are doing a Robert Mueller–themed reprise of a scene from Meet the Parents! Look, they got the real Stormy Daniels to play herself and deliver wooden #Resistance-worthy lines to Alec Baldwin's Donald Trump!

But beyond that novelty, the jokes are tired references to current events that never build on one another. Instead, they are limply tossed out as obvious applause lines to an anti-Trump crowd. Here's how the last cold open ended, with a phone call between Trump and Daniels:

TRUMP: Just tell me, what do you need for all this to go away?
STORMY: A resignation.
TRUMP: Yeah right. Being president is like doing porn; once you do it it's hard to do anything else. Besides, my poll numbers are finally up. And speaking of polls being up... [sticks out his tongue in what I guess is meant to be a sexual manner] Oh come on, we'll always have Shark Week. I solved North and South Korea, why can't I solve us?
STORMY: Sorry Donald, it's too late for that. I know you don't believe in climate change, but a storm's a-coming baby. [Applause]
TRUMP: I've never been so scared and so horny at the same time.

These stale lines aren't helped along by the performances. Stormy Daniels gets a pass because she's a bit of stunt casting anyway, but Baldwin's Trump impression also stands out as awful. He keeps his mouth open for reasons I don't understand, squints, and talks in a deep voice. That's it. The real Trump and Rob Schneider are correct: It doesn't work. (Anthony Atamanuik does a much better impression on The President Show.)

Schneider, believe it or not, had another trenchant critique of these sketches, which is that they skew too heavy-handedly to the left. "The fun of 'Saturday Night Live' was always you never knew which way they leaned politically," he told the New York Daily News last month. "You kind of assumed they would lean more left and liberal, but now the cat's out of the bag they are completely against Trump, which I think makes it less interesting because you know the direction the piece is going."

It's not surprising or even all that notable that SNL would go hard after Trump—the show has parodied every president, some more aggressively than others, since the 70s. But the show has shifted to the point where its politics are indistinguishable from the Democratic Party's. After the 2016 election, the show gave Hillary Clinton a worshipful send-off, with Kate McKinnon's Hillary singing a topical version of "Hallelujah" before telling the camera, "I'm not giving up, and neither should you." It was a powerful moment if you were a Clinton fan, but as Schneider said, the cat was out of the bag.

If SNL wanted to make some jokes about the Democrats, there's plenty of material, from conspiracy-spreading Resistance Twitter accounts to shitty email fundraising to the tension between mainstream centrist Democrats and angry socialist youngsters. If it wanted to wade into edgier waters, it could make some jokes about free speech on campus. SNL actually has done some recent tweaking of the left—"Girl at a Bar" stands out for its evisceration of male feminists—but most of its political material winds up in the cold opens, and the cold opens are nothing but anti-Trump vitriol all the time.

Not that there's anything wrong with vitriol, but this isn't even intelligent vitriol. During the Iran-Contra scandal, Phil Hartman helmed a brilliant sketch where he played Ronald Reagan as a president who was only pretending to be a senile fool while actually masterminding every aspect of his administration's shady dealings, flipping everyone's perception of Reagan as a cheerful bumbler. Today's SNL doesn't have anyone of Hartman's caliber, sure, but it also doesn't even bother to take that simple second step. Everyone thinks that Trump is a narcissistic moron, so the joke is... Trump is actually a narcissistic moron! Hilarious!

One problem with that anti-Trump worldview is that it's predictable. But as hamfisted and obvious as it is, it also veers into casual cruelty at times—last weekend's cold open included jokes about Melania Trump wanting her husband to go to prison (a repetition of a popular proof-free Resistance narrative) and Vice President Mike Pence trying to have phone sex with men. Not that I particularly think that SNL was being "unfair" to Pence, whose homophobia is pretty well established, but portraying him as a closet case is a lazy cheap shot that doesn't line up with reality. Pence might be an ignorant science denier who is out of the loop even on things that happen in the administration. But unlike many homophobes, he hasn't been accused of hiding his own attraction for men—why make such a generic joke about such a specific figure?

I have to include a bit where I cut SNL some slack, so here: It's really hard to create new sketches every week, and they have upped the difficulty level by trying to write an up-to-the-minute recap of weekly news events. But they don't actually have to do this. There's no shortage of center-left comedic commentary on the news, from Full Frontal with Samantha Bee to The Daily Show to The President Show to Our Cartoon President to Pod Save America to nearly every late-night talk show.

At best, the cold opens just echo the same beats and jokes as all those other programs (every good liberal recycles material). At worst, these sketches just coddle the audience by reflecting all of their assumptions and prejudices back at them: Yes, Trump is dumb, his administration is full of venal lackeys, Jeff Sessions is creepy, Cohen is a crook, all of your obvious, knee-jerk impulses and prejudices are correct. It's not just playing to the crowd, it's spoon-feeding the audience their own spit-up. It's Studio 60 on the Sunset Strip come to life. It's exactly the kind of smug, smarmy bullshit that makes conservatives angry enough at the Hollywood elite to vote Trump just to stick it to them.

Seen from the right light, it's not just an unfunny lead-in to what can otherwise be a fine show. It's a toxic example of limousine liberalism, millionaires putting on a self-congratulatory show with jokes cribbed from the New York Times editorial page—come to think of it, it's exactly the kind of un-self-aware institution that a really good comedy show could grind down to size.



https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/...-unfunny-elitist-pieces-of-liberal-propaganda
 
OP will now link a piece on how Key and Peele never, ever made jokes at the expense of Barry Obama.
:rolleyes:
Meanwhile, Gerald Ford is still waiting for an apology from Chevy Chase, and Jimmy Carter knows that one of these days Dan Akroyd will call to apologize.
 
The writing on the show this season is bad. The Amy Schumer episode was horrible.

There’s been good writing in recent years, and I think they’ll get back to it. The Sean Spicer opening was amazing.
 
OP will now link a piece on how Key and Peele never, ever made jokes at the expense of Barry Obama.
:rolleyes:
Meanwhile, Gerald Ford is still waiting for an apology from Chevy Chase, and Jimmy Carter knows that one of these days Dan Akroyd will call to apologize.

Not to mention Dana Carvey doing Bill Clinton with Chesty Love. (maybe that was Carvey's show)
 
Almost as cliche as bragging about not watching a show while complaining about the content of that show.

Who does that? I DVR SNL so I'm not sure who you're talking about.

If you're talking about me: It's so cliche not being able to read and pretending to know stuff.

If not: Carry on.
 
I just think the Trump thing is too easy. When its comedy every day in real life, its redundant.
 
OP will now link a piece on how Key and Peele never, ever made jokes at the expense of Barry Obama.
:rolleyes:
Meanwhile, Gerald Ford is still waiting for an apology from Chevy Chase, and Jimmy Carter knows that one of these days Dan Akroyd will call to apologize.

No. He won't. I like SNL...and Key and Peele. This is about their repeated, unoriginal cold opens which seem to serve no other purpose than to keep Alex Baldwin employed.

Congrats...you didn't say I was "obsessed" with the topic after posting on it once, as is your usual stalking M.O.
 
Who does that? I DVR SNL so I'm not sure who you're talking about.

If you're talking about me: It's so cliche not being able to read and pretending to know stuff.

If not: Carry on.
I thought you were one of the snowflakes who proudly declares they don’t watch SNL but constantly complains about the liberal bias of the show. If you’re not one of them then I apologize.
 
I don't watch SNL, but I did watch the De Niro skit, because I like Meet the Parents.

Although I'm not a viewer, I wouldn't be surprised if this has some merit, using Trump in your comedy act can be the easy path. Everyone can do it, you don't have to be a professional comedian to make jokes about Trump.
 
I thought you were one of the snowflakes who proudly declares they don’t watch SNL but constantly complains about the liberal bias of the show. If you’re not one of them then I apologize.

No. I'm one of those who sees articles that might stir some shit up on a message board and posts it.
 
On a good night, with the right host, Saturday Night Live can still bring the heat in an unexpected way. Forty-three years in, the corny-wigs-and-voices format is creaky, the sketches are unpolished compared to the generations of innovative sketch shows that have come and gone since SNL launched, and a bad host means the show is borderline unwatchable. But in the past couple weeks, the John Mulaney and Donald Glover episodes have shown what Actually Good SNL can be.("Switcheroo," "Lobster Dinner," and "Lando's Summit" all made me laugh real laughs.) Caring about SNL in 2018 is a weird hobby to have—the bad bits are still punishingly bad, there are a dozen or more prestige-y shows that are more interesting—but you can make worse entertainment choices.

All of this is preamble to say to SNL, I come as a friend: Your cold opens are terrible, cringeworthy pieces of self-satisfied liberal propaganda that are sometimes so bad they seem like parodies of themselves.

Even if you avoid SNL you probably hear about these cold opens, which are consistently politically themed—though "themed" may be too strong a word because they are mostly just recaps of the political news of the week performed by A-list celebrities. Thanks to star power, these sketches inevitably draw headlines, and last weekend's affair (featuring Ben Stiller as Michael Cohen, Scarlet Johansson as Ivanka Trump, and Jimmy Fallon as Jared Kushner) was no exception. And honestly, if you're a fan of Very Famous People Appearing Together on Screen (a very successful genre, if the Avengers franchise is any indication), you'll get your money's worth. Look, Robert de Niro and Stiller are doing a Robert Mueller–themed reprise of a scene from Meet the Parents! Look, they got the real Stormy Daniels to play herself and deliver wooden #Resistance-worthy lines to Alec Baldwin's Donald Trump!

But beyond that novelty, the jokes are tired references to current events that never build on one another. Instead, they are limply tossed out as obvious applause lines to an anti-Trump crowd. Here's how the last cold open ended, with a phone call between Trump and Daniels:

TRUMP: Just tell me, what do you need for all this to go away?
STORMY: A resignation.
TRUMP: Yeah right. Being president is like doing porn; once you do it it's hard to do anything else. Besides, my poll numbers are finally up. And speaking of polls being up... [sticks out his tongue in what I guess is meant to be a sexual manner] Oh come on, we'll always have Shark Week. I solved North and South Korea, why can't I solve us?
STORMY: Sorry Donald, it's too late for that. I know you don't believe in climate change, but a storm's a-coming baby. [Applause]
TRUMP: I've never been so scared and so horny at the same time.

These stale lines aren't helped along by the performances. Stormy Daniels gets a pass because she's a bit of stunt casting anyway, but Baldwin's Trump impression also stands out as awful. He keeps his mouth open for reasons I don't understand, squints, and talks in a deep voice. That's it. The real Trump and Rob Schneider are correct: It doesn't work. (Anthony Atamanuik does a much better impression on The President Show.)

Schneider, believe it or not, had another trenchant critique of these sketches, which is that they skew too heavy-handedly to the left. "The fun of 'Saturday Night Live' was always you never knew which way they leaned politically," he told the New York Daily News last month. "You kind of assumed they would lean more left and liberal, but now the cat's out of the bag they are completely against Trump, which I think makes it less interesting because you know the direction the piece is going."

It's not surprising or even all that notable that SNL would go hard after Trump—the show has parodied every president, some more aggressively than others, since the 70s. But the show has shifted to the point where its politics are indistinguishable from the Democratic Party's. After the 2016 election, the show gave Hillary Clinton a worshipful send-off, with Kate McKinnon's Hillary singing a topical version of "Hallelujah" before telling the camera, "I'm not giving up, and neither should you." It was a powerful moment if you were a Clinton fan, but as Schneider said, the cat was out of the bag.

If SNL wanted to make some jokes about the Democrats, there's plenty of material, from conspiracy-spreading Resistance Twitter accounts to shitty email fundraising to the tension between mainstream centrist Democrats and angry socialist youngsters. If it wanted to wade into edgier waters, it could make some jokes about free speech on campus. SNL actually has done some recent tweaking of the left—"Girl at a Bar" stands out for its evisceration of male feminists—but most of its political material winds up in the cold opens, and the cold opens are nothing but anti-Trump vitriol all the time.

Not that there's anything wrong with vitriol, but this isn't even intelligent vitriol. During the Iran-Contra scandal, Phil Hartman helmed a brilliant sketch where he played Ronald Reagan as a president who was only pretending to be a senile fool while actually masterminding every aspect of his administration's shady dealings, flipping everyone's perception of Reagan as a cheerful bumbler. Today's SNL doesn't have anyone of Hartman's caliber, sure, but it also doesn't even bother to take that simple second step. Everyone thinks that Trump is a narcissistic moron, so the joke is... Trump is actually a narcissistic moron! Hilarious!

One problem with that anti-Trump worldview is that it's predictable. But as hamfisted and obvious as it is, it also veers into casual cruelty at times—last weekend's cold open included jokes about Melania Trump wanting her husband to go to prison (a repetition of a popular proof-free Resistance narrative) and Vice President Mike Pence trying to have phone sex with men. Not that I particularly think that SNL was being "unfair" to Pence, whose homophobia is pretty well established, but portraying him as a closet case is a lazy cheap shot that doesn't line up with reality. Pence might be an ignorant science denier who is out of the loop even on things that happen in the administration. But unlike many homophobes, he hasn't been accused of hiding his own attraction for men—why make such a generic joke about such a specific figure?

I have to include a bit where I cut SNL some slack, so here: It's really hard to create new sketches every week, and they have upped the difficulty level by trying to write an up-to-the-minute recap of weekly news events. But they don't actually have to do this. There's no shortage of center-left comedic commentary on the news, from Full Frontal with Samantha Bee to The Daily Show to The President Show to Our Cartoon President to Pod Save America to nearly every late-night talk show.





https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/...-unfunny-elitist-pieces-of-liberal-propaganda
Are you surprised that Rupert Murdoch company would write an article like this? Really?
 
Are you surprised that Rupert Murdoch company would write an article like this? Really?

You mean the one with Ezra Klein in charge? Really?

And why do I need to be surprised about who wrote an article? Is that some sort of pre-requisite for posting something?
 
I didn't read the OP, but I probably agree with most of it based on the title. I'm not a fan of Baldwin's Trump. I do like McKinnon's Sessions impersonation, though.
 
OP will now link a piece on how Key and Peele never, ever made jokes at the expense of Barry Obama.
:rolleyes:
Meanwhile, Gerald Ford is still waiting for an apology from Chevy Chase, and Jimmy Carter knows that one of these days Dan Akroyd will call to apologize.

And GW Bush is awaiting his apology from Will Farrell....
 
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No. He won't. I like SNL...and Key and Peele. This is about their repeated, unoriginal cold opens which seem to serve no other purpose than to keep Alex Baldwin employed.

Congrats...you didn't say I was "obsessed" with the topic after posting on it once, as is your usual stalking M.O.
You are obsessed with being a victim.
It isn't odd that SNL opens with topical humor. Trump offers up new humor each week, although Baldwin hasn't appeared in half the shows this season.
Also, Trump furiously tries to make news. Any kind of news. It's his background as a scam artist and publicity hustler. That's one of the funniest things about all the SNL butt hurt. Trump has spent decades trying to get himself in the eye of the media. Any publicity was good publicity.
 
You are obsessed with being a victim.
It isn't odd that SNL opens with topical humor. Trump offers up new humor each week, although Baldwin hasn't appeared in half the shows this season.
Also, Trump furiously tries to make news. Any kind of news. It's his background as a scam artist and publicity hustler. That's one of the funniest things about all the SNL butt hurt. Trump has spent decades trying to get himself in the eye of the media. Any publicity was good publicity.

There you go. Move the goal posts. None of your assertions you've ever made about me (or anywhere else I've seen) have EVER hit the mark, so just go with a wide spread and hope to hit something.

A victim? The only thing I'm a victim of is having the misfortune of being engaged by you every other post with idiotic ramblings accusing me of whatever it is you you think will beat take attention away from the subject of the thread.

At least you do t have me obsessed with Hillary anymore like you did after the ONE post I made about her. Baby steps, Chief.
 
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