Trump and Project 2025 are attacking the Department of Education
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Put forth by a Republican president. We knew that was dumb back when it got implemented also. The best was when some company from Mississippi came up to Iowa to teach us "Making Middle Grades Work". We teachers looked at each other and said, "Mississippi??"
Better….fairer…more equal. However a lot of the slave states resented any federal interference….I wonder why?-
“No Child Left Behind” turned my ex from a Republican to a Democrat once she moved from Iowa to Texas years ago. She was no fan if Junior. Less of one for the current one.
I'm guessing that many of you are too young to remember President Kennedy and his initiatives to improve public education as part of his New Frontiers programs. We were being outpaced by the Soviet Union in the space race at that time and Kennedy had the foresight to see how critical it was to improve our education programs. I would think we can all agree that his ideas and vision played out really well.
But now, Trump and his lieutenants want to go back to the "good old days", right?
In the very competitive world of today, that would spell economic disaster for the US.
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Updated on March 17, 2019
While the last photographs of John F. Kennedy preserve him eternally in America's collective memory as 46 years old, he would have been 100 years old on May 29, 2017.
Education was one of the signature issues of President Kennedy, and there are a number of legislative efforts and messages to Congress that he initiated to improve education in several areas: graduation rates, science, and teacher training.
In this message, he noted the high number of high school dropouts:
Kennedy referenced the high percentage of dropouts in 1960, two years earlier. A data study prepared by the Institute of Educational Studies (IES) at the National Center for Educational Statistics, showed the high school dropout rate in 1960 was at a high 27.2%. In his message, Kennedy also spoke about the 40% of students at that time who had started but never completed their college education.
His message to Congress also laid out a plan for increasing the number of classrooms as well as increased training for teachers in their content areas. Kennedy's message to promote education had a powerful effect. By 1967, four years after his assassination, the total number of high school dropouts was reduced by 10% to 17%. The dropout rate has been falling incrementally ever since. As of 2014, only 6.5% of students drop out of high school. This is an increase of 25% in graduation rates from when Kennedy first promoted this cause.
In this message, he proposed a system where, "Many elementary and secondary school teachers would profit from a full year of full-time study in their subject-matter fields," and he advocated that these opportunities be created.
Initiatives like teacher training were part of Kennedy's "New Frontier" programs. Under the policies of the New Frontier, legislation was passed to expand scholarships and student loans with increases in funds for libraries and school lunches. There were also funds directed to teach the deaf, children with disabilities, and children who were gifted. In addition, literacy training was authorized under Manpower Development and Training Act (1962) as well as an allocation of Presidental funds to stop dropouts and the Vocational Education Act (1963).
Kennedy saw education as critical to maintaining the economic strength of the nation. According to Ted Sorenson, Kennedy's speechwriter, no other domestic issue occupied Kennedy as much as education. Sorenson quotes Kennedy as saying:
On April 12, 1961, only four short months into Kennedy's presidency, the Soviets had another stunning success. Their Cosmonaut Yuri Gagarin completed a successful mission to and from space. Despite the fact that the United States space program was still in its infancy, Kennedy responded to the Soviets with his own challenge, known as "the moon shot", in which Americans would be the first to land on the moon.
In a speech on May 25, 1961, before a joint session of Congress, Kennedy proposed space exploration to put astronauts on the moon, as well as other projects including nuclear rockets and weather satellites. He was quoted as saying:
Again, at Rice University on September 12, 1962, Kennedy proclaimed that America would have a goal to land a man on the moon and bring him back by the end of the decade, a goal that would be directed to educational institutions:
As the American space program known as Gemini was pulling ahead of the Soviets, Kennedy gave one of his last speeches on October 22, 1963, before the National Academy of Sciences, which was celebrating its 100th anniversary. He expressed his overall support for the space program and emphasized the overall importance of science to the country:
Six years later, on July 20, 1969, Kennedy's efforts came to fruition when Apollo 11 commander Neil Armstrong took a "giant step for mankind" and stepped onto the Moon's surface.
https://www.thoughtco.com/jfk-education-legacy-4140694
But now, Trump and his lieutenants want to go back to the "good old days", right?
In the very competitive world of today, that would spell economic disaster for the US.
JFK's Accomplishments in Education and the Space Program
Bettmann Archive/Getty Images
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By
Colette Bennett
Updated on March 17, 2019
While the last photographs of John F. Kennedy preserve him eternally in America's collective memory as 46 years old, he would have been 100 years old on May 29, 2017.
Education was one of the signature issues of President Kennedy, and there are a number of legislative efforts and messages to Congress that he initiated to improve education in several areas: graduation rates, science, and teacher training.
On Raising High School Graduation Rates
In a Special Message to the Congress on Education, delivered on February 6, 1962, Kennedy laid out his argument that education in this country is the right—the necessity—and the responsibility—of all.In this message, he noted the high number of high school dropouts:
Kennedy referenced the high percentage of dropouts in 1960, two years earlier. A data study prepared by the Institute of Educational Studies (IES) at the National Center for Educational Statistics, showed the high school dropout rate in 1960 was at a high 27.2%. In his message, Kennedy also spoke about the 40% of students at that time who had started but never completed their college education.
His message to Congress also laid out a plan for increasing the number of classrooms as well as increased training for teachers in their content areas. Kennedy's message to promote education had a powerful effect. By 1967, four years after his assassination, the total number of high school dropouts was reduced by 10% to 17%. The dropout rate has been falling incrementally ever since. As of 2014, only 6.5% of students drop out of high school. This is an increase of 25% in graduation rates from when Kennedy first promoted this cause.
On Teacher Training and Education
In his Special Message to the Congress on Education (1962), Kennedy also outlined his plans to improve teacher training by collaborating with the National Science Foundation and the Office of Education.In this message, he proposed a system where, "Many elementary and secondary school teachers would profit from a full year of full-time study in their subject-matter fields," and he advocated that these opportunities be created.
Initiatives like teacher training were part of Kennedy's "New Frontier" programs. Under the policies of the New Frontier, legislation was passed to expand scholarships and student loans with increases in funds for libraries and school lunches. There were also funds directed to teach the deaf, children with disabilities, and children who were gifted. In addition, literacy training was authorized under Manpower Development and Training Act (1962) as well as an allocation of Presidental funds to stop dropouts and the Vocational Education Act (1963).
Kennedy saw education as critical to maintaining the economic strength of the nation. According to Ted Sorenson, Kennedy's speechwriter, no other domestic issue occupied Kennedy as much as education. Sorenson quotes Kennedy as saying:
On Science and Space Exploration
The successful launch of Sputnik 1, the first artificial Earth satellite, by the Soviet space program on October 4, 1957, alarmed American scientists and politicians alike. President Dwight Eisenhower appointed the first presidential science adviser, and a Science Advisory Committee asked part-time scientists to serve as advisers for their initial steps.On April 12, 1961, only four short months into Kennedy's presidency, the Soviets had another stunning success. Their Cosmonaut Yuri Gagarin completed a successful mission to and from space. Despite the fact that the United States space program was still in its infancy, Kennedy responded to the Soviets with his own challenge, known as "the moon shot", in which Americans would be the first to land on the moon.
In a speech on May 25, 1961, before a joint session of Congress, Kennedy proposed space exploration to put astronauts on the moon, as well as other projects including nuclear rockets and weather satellites. He was quoted as saying:
Again, at Rice University on September 12, 1962, Kennedy proclaimed that America would have a goal to land a man on the moon and bring him back by the end of the decade, a goal that would be directed to educational institutions:
As the American space program known as Gemini was pulling ahead of the Soviets, Kennedy gave one of his last speeches on October 22, 1963, before the National Academy of Sciences, which was celebrating its 100th anniversary. He expressed his overall support for the space program and emphasized the overall importance of science to the country:
Six years later, on July 20, 1969, Kennedy's efforts came to fruition when Apollo 11 commander Neil Armstrong took a "giant step for mankind" and stepped onto the Moon's surface.
https://www.thoughtco.com/jfk-education-legacy-4140694
And who on the left is for standards when it comes to education? What good are standards without merit? Standards are racist now. Remember? We’ve don’t nothing but lower the bar every time certain groups find it difficult to achieve baseline standards. The Ivy League had to stop looking at STANDARDized tests.
This doesn’t mean we should get rid of national education. It just means maybe we should actually stick to the standards.
Teachers immediately hated it. I remember our reactions when it was introduced.
You are aware that schools are still funded and operated at the state/local levels, right? Federal DOE doesn't have the authority you seem to think it does.
Hey, if it means we can reinstate some discipline in the schools then let’s go back to those days!I'm guessing that many of you are too young to remember President Kennedy and his initiatives to improve public education as part of his New Frontiers programs. We were being outpaced by the Soviet Union in the space race at that time and Kennedy had the foresight to see how critical it was to improve our education programs. I would think we can all agree that his ideas and vision played out really well.
But now, Trump and his lieutenants want to go back to the "good old days", right?
In the very competitive world of today, that would spell economic disaster for the US.
JFK's Accomplishments in Education and the Space Program
Bettmann Archive/Getty Images
VIEW MORE
By
Colette Bennett
Updated on March 17, 2019
While the last photographs of John F. Kennedy preserve him eternally in America's collective memory as 46 years old, he would have been 100 years old on May 29, 2017.
Education was one of the signature issues of President Kennedy, and there are a number of legislative efforts and messages to Congress that he initiated to improve education in several areas: graduation rates, science, and teacher training.
On Raising High School Graduation Rates
In a Special Message to the Congress on Education, delivered on February 6, 1962, Kennedy laid out his argument that education in this country is the right—the necessity—and the responsibility—of all.
In this message, he noted the high number of high school dropouts:
Kennedy referenced the high percentage of dropouts in 1960, two years earlier. A data study prepared by the Institute of Educational Studies (IES) at the National Center for Educational Statistics, showed the high school dropout rate in 1960 was at a high 27.2%. In his message, Kennedy also spoke about the 40% of students at that time who had started but never completed their college education.
His message to Congress also laid out a plan for increasing the number of classrooms as well as increased training for teachers in their content areas. Kennedy's message to promote education had a powerful effect. By 1967, four years after his assassination, the total number of high school dropouts was reduced by 10% to 17%. The dropout rate has been falling incrementally ever since. As of 2014, only 6.5% of students drop out of high school. This is an increase of 25% in graduation rates from when Kennedy first promoted this cause.
On Teacher Training and Education
In his Special Message to the Congress on Education (1962), Kennedy also outlined his plans to improve teacher training by collaborating with the National Science Foundation and the Office of Education.
In this message, he proposed a system where, "Many elementary and secondary school teachers would profit from a full year of full-time study in their subject-matter fields," and he advocated that these opportunities be created.
Initiatives like teacher training were part of Kennedy's "New Frontier" programs. Under the policies of the New Frontier, legislation was passed to expand scholarships and student loans with increases in funds for libraries and school lunches. There were also funds directed to teach the deaf, children with disabilities, and children who were gifted. In addition, literacy training was authorized under Manpower Development and Training Act (1962) as well as an allocation of Presidental funds to stop dropouts and the Vocational Education Act (1963).
Kennedy saw education as critical to maintaining the economic strength of the nation. According to Ted Sorenson, Kennedy's speechwriter, no other domestic issue occupied Kennedy as much as education. Sorenson quotes Kennedy as saying:
On Science and Space Exploration
The successful launch of Sputnik 1, the first artificial Earth satellite, by the Soviet space program on October 4, 1957, alarmed American scientists and politicians alike. President Dwight Eisenhower appointed the first presidential science adviser, and a Science Advisory Committee asked part-time scientists to serve as advisers for their initial steps.
On April 12, 1961, only four short months into Kennedy's presidency, the Soviets had another stunning success. Their Cosmonaut Yuri Gagarin completed a successful mission to and from space. Despite the fact that the United States space program was still in its infancy, Kennedy responded to the Soviets with his own challenge, known as "the moon shot", in which Americans would be the first to land on the moon.
In a speech on May 25, 1961, before a joint session of Congress, Kennedy proposed space exploration to put astronauts on the moon, as well as other projects including nuclear rockets and weather satellites. He was quoted as saying:
Again, at Rice University on September 12, 1962, Kennedy proclaimed that America would have a goal to land a man on the moon and bring him back by the end of the decade, a goal that would be directed to educational institutions:
As the American space program known as Gemini was pulling ahead of the Soviets, Kennedy gave one of his last speeches on October 22, 1963, before the National Academy of Sciences, which was celebrating its 100th anniversary. He expressed his overall support for the space program and emphasized the overall importance of science to the country:
Six years later, on July 20, 1969, Kennedy's efforts came to fruition when Apollo 11 commander Neil Armstrong took a "giant step for mankind" and stepped onto the Moon's surface.
https://www.thoughtco.com/jfk-education-legacy-4140694
Lots of people seem to think the ED creates educational standards.
The worst thing both W and Ted Kennedy did to this country.
The DOE administers nearly all aid programs for low and middle income college students. Pell Grants and student loans. Shall we take away any college opportunity for most Americans?
Muzzling people?
Would that be like having the government try to ‘de-amplify’ people’s voices on social media, or get their posts removed, or have them banned?
As opposed to far right wing ideology?
You can’t see the forest for the trees——just what you’ve been spoon fed.
If this comes to fruition, we’ll witness a discriminatory ethos systematically implemented into educational “standards” of several states.
What I write isn’t hyperbolic or histrionic either. In other words, be very careful what you wish for.
There's something clever about matter of factly calling it a "rightwing manifesto" when there isn't one. Nice word play there to try to make it sound fascist.
In looking at the doc, the word manifesto appears exactly 0 times.
I read the intro, and this opening paragraph is really intimidating. Seems like these guys should be feared...:
"This work, Mandate for Leadership 2025: The Conservative Promise, is a collective effort of hundreds of volunteers who have banded together in the spirit of advancing positive change for America. Our work is by no means the comprehensive compendium of conservative policies, nor is our group the exclusive cadre of conservative thinkers. The ideas expressed in this volume are not necessarily shared by all. What unites us is the drive to make our country better."
Ok so I'm done pretending these are some kind of fascists, but we can disagree.
As to the Department of Ed. There are good reasons to keep it, and I'm in favor of keeping it, BUT when the DOE was founded we had the best education system in the world. Now we're not in the top 20. That's a problem, and throwing more money at it hasn't seemed to do the trick.
I believe the people at the DOE regardless of party in charge want the best for American students, but they can't do it alone...
Pew research says that in 1980, 61% of kids lived with BOTH of their biological parents. By 2014, that number was 46%. Educators know parental involvement matters.
Perhaps the issue isn't the DOE, and we should be looking to homes.
In looking at the doc, the word manifesto appears exactly 0 times.
I read the intro, and this opening paragraph is really intimidating. Seems like these guys should be feared...:
"This work, Mandate for Leadership 2025: The Conservative Promise, is a collective effort of hundreds of volunteers who have banded together in the spirit of advancing positive change for America. Our work is by no means the comprehensive compendium of conservative policies, nor is our group the exclusive cadre of conservative thinkers. The ideas expressed in this volume are not necessarily shared by all. What unites us is the drive to make our country better."
Ok so I'm done pretending these are some kind of fascists, but we can disagree.
As to the Department of Ed. There are good reasons to keep it, and I'm in favor of keeping it, BUT when the DOE was founded we had the best education system in the world. Now we're not in the top 20. That's a problem, and throwing more money at it hasn't seemed to do the trick.
I believe the people at the DOE regardless of party in charge want the best for American students, but they can't do it alone...
Pew research says that in 1980, 61% of kids lived with BOTH of their biological parents. By 2014, that number was 46%. Educators know parental involvement matters.
Perhaps the issue isn't the DOE, and we should be looking to homes.
Parenting is the biggest issue and it’s getting worse, compounded with social media
GOP's solution is less gov't and more God in the classroom.
Their solution, from my perspective, is to give parents a choice on where they send their kids. It has an ancillary impact of increasing enrollment in religious schools. I don't even see a solution from Dems. But one thing I see from both sides is a lot of complaining about the current state of education.
Parents are worse because most cannot survive off of one income, 67% of couples now both work full time. In 1970 only 31% of two parent homes both worked full time. The wealth inequality/distribution is a large contributor to decreasing parent quality.
Since when did Trump ever need a Congressional act to do what he wanted to do? We found out last time that Trump just wants something to happen and it does. Even if the Constitution clearly says something needs to happen Trump would get it done anyway. As it turns out, the Constitution actually only means as much as the people in charge are willing to follow it. Kind of like the Supreme Court just deciding that he can do whatever the f**k he wants and not face any repercussions. Shame on Biden for not taking advantage of that power.
Parents have ALWAYS had that choice. GOP wants to spend our tax dollars on private school tuition, which I fundamentally disagree with.
Public education has been one of the pillars of our country for 200 years. Even if by some miracle every private school in the country were filled to capacity, you're still left with 90% of kids attending public schools. GOP has no solutions on how to help the "failing" public schools.
Nobody objects to choice.
Parents already have choice.
What sensible people object to is taking money away from the public school system that is open to all to pay for some people to send their kids to private or religious schools.
If you think public schools need to be better, put the effort and money into making them better.
Lol so for it to be a manifesto they have to say it is? God it is just absolutely ridiculous how naive and idiotic you people are.
I'm not going to disagree with any of this. I went to public school, my kids went to public school, etc.
I think the point here is that many parents view the Dept. of Education as being an impediment to making their schools better. In some cases, they're probably right. In some, they're probably wrong. They're not my kids, and I have to assume that they want what is best for their kids on a micro level.
In most cases they're wrong. GOP has sold the perception that the federal DOE is intimately involved in how our schools are run. They're not.
The first thing most people think when they hear the word "manifesto" is "communist."
Everything that I hear from colleagues from California to Arizona to New York to Illinois to Maryland is that they are paying for private school right now because their public schools are helpless to remove the problem students from classrooms, so their kids are caught in the crossfire. Is that not a DOE-caused issue? I honestly don't know
Yeah, well who on the hell do you think jammed it through congress, partner?
Kennedy's Top 10 Legislative Battles - TIME
One of this generation's most sweeping education reform laws may not have been passed without Sen. Kennedy's strong support. Kennedy worked closely with President George W. Bush to advance the No...
It was Junior’s plan..backed by mostly Republicans…so you tell me who “jammed” it through? You telling me it was Kennedy’s fault? He was one vote…Yeah, well who on the hell do you think jammed it through congress, partner?
Kennedy's Top 10 Legislative Battles - TIME
One of this generation's most sweeping education reform laws may not have been passed without Sen. Kennedy's strong support. Kennedy worked closely with President George W. Bush to advance the No...content.time.com
For as conservative as I am, I actually agree with the lefties that the voucher programs are bad for the simple reason that the pot of money gets stretched thinner & thinner. Overall, everyone loses.
I’m in favor of a robust, single public system. I would also favor more creative ways (not vouchers or direct funding) to promote school choice (i.e. tax deductions and what not).
The Dems have a few problem talking education:
1. Lowering good standards (testing/safety), increasing bad standards (DEI)
2. Always resist efforts to increase discipline
3. Protection of underperforming administration and faculty (NEA, et al)
4. More money is always the solution. No other creative ideas
Conservatives are all about school choice and privatization but the causation of that stems from the above.
So if I was the POTUS for a day, I would tell both sides to send me a bill that has compromise and innovation as key parts of it. Don’t ask for a dime!
I feel the lowest hanging fruit in all of this and could be implemented quickly and not cost a dime is get the Teachers Unions to back off on discipline. Give more discipline control to faculty and then support them and have their back. Get the damn cell phones out of the classrooms. If we say we support teachers then let’s do something that actually helps them in their day to day.
If you told the average conservative voter that in 5 years you would see less fights at school, less bullying because the teachers can stop it when they see it, less teacher harassment by students, more orderly classrooms with higher performance, and policies limiting cell phones in schools - you would have more of them OK supporting schools. Let the faculty manage the problem kids out to create a better learning environment. This is what conservatives have wanted for decades, long before their issues with DEI. Start there.
Innovation - reign spending in. I see waste all the time with technology spending in K-12. You should see what Chicago PS spends on tech alone - how does it correlate to outcomes??? Want to raise teacher pay, cut some tech spending. Foster a movement toward trades education - that is where our country is dying for more help and will be needed 25-50 years from now. I would support funding to transform buildings and staff to shift certain high schools from a liberal arts orientation to trades. We already do it with certain magnate learning, accelerate it.
CSB
I’m in favor of a robust, single public system. I would also favor more creative ways (not vouchers or direct funding) to promote school choice (i.e. tax deductions and what not).
The Dems have a few problem talking education:
1. Lowering good standards (testing/safety), increasing bad standards (DEI)
2. Always resist efforts to increase discipline
3. Protection of underperforming administration and faculty (NEA, et al)
4. More money is always the solution. No other creative ideas
Conservatives are all about school choice and privatization but the causation of that stems from the above.
So if I was the POTUS for a day, I would tell both sides to send me a bill that has compromise and innovation as key parts of it. Don’t ask for a dime!
I feel the lowest hanging fruit in all of this and could be implemented quickly and not cost a dime is get the Teachers Unions to back off on discipline. Give more discipline control to faculty and then support them and have their back. Get the damn cell phones out of the classrooms. If we say we support teachers then let’s do something that actually helps them in their day to day.
If you told the average conservative voter that in 5 years you would see less fights at school, less bullying because the teachers can stop it when they see it, less teacher harassment by students, more orderly classrooms with higher performance, and policies limiting cell phones in schools - you would have more of them OK supporting schools. Let the faculty manage the problem kids out to create a better learning environment. This is what conservatives have wanted for decades, long before their issues with DEI. Start there.
Innovation - reign spending in. I see waste all the time with technology spending in K-12. You should see what Chicago PS spends on tech alone - how does it correlate to outcomes??? Want to raise teacher pay, cut some tech spending. Foster a movement toward trades education - that is where our country is dying for more help and will be needed 25-50 years from now. I would support funding to transform buildings and staff to shift certain high schools from a liberal arts orientation to trades. We already do it with certain magnate learning, accelerate it.
CSB
Oh, I understand some of that but many parents do not attempt to do the hard stuff and make their kids learn right from wrong, perseverence, you cant win all the time, and basic rules of civilization.
Many of the worst parents are rich people that coddle their kids and teach kids to blame everyone else.
And we know that the inequality of wages and net worth has been driven by since 1981 with Repub and Reagan supply economics and big tax cuts to wealthy and profitable Corps for the last 40 years. Yet so many americans in the bottom half of wealth just keep voting against their own interests for Repubs that leave them behind and yet are the top drivers of increasing national debt, just look it up.
Dems are NoT the ones resisting more discipline in the class room. It’s parents who resist… and courts that find for them. But to say “Democrats” is just flat -out careless and stupid. Throw flames much?
Joel, I know you can’t remember what you had for breakfast but your willful ignorance here is on point for you. He Co-authored the fvcking bill and was hands down the most influential supporter of it. Why is this hard for you to admit or grasp? You are arguing with reality here.
Here. Watch the video and learn or stay ignorant and remain bliss in your ignorance.
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