VOTE: Does Patrick Mahomes get a special whistle?
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Their view was probably on the grassy knoll watching the big group of players you erroneously claimed was the challenge earlier. Keep trying.
Other than the video proof you are spot on. Other than you switching from your original position you have also been consistent as well. Keep ‘winning’ by being wrong.
The swifties are a larger market demo than all of those teams.
It was not opening day it was game six and I was there and loved to see that smug jerk walk off for the season!!
Can we get todays officials next week for the Chiefs game? Hip drop tackle on Lamar well out of bounds.....nothing.......Lamar thrown to the ground on a delay of game......nothing...........guarantee that Mahomes would lay there like he was dead, limp off the field while they assessed the penalty and ejections and then return good as new.
For reals? Did you watch the game? 2 calls for the Queefs made the difference. Houston outgained them.
Just because they were called contact to head does not mean it was right call
The NFL wanted to make Mahomes the face of NFL. Then Taylor and her minions got on board with the Chiefs and the powers that be will do everything in their power to have both on its biggest stage
Which is what I said. I said it was called, not correct
And on the slide the only helmet to helmet were the two Texans players
It's crazy how Mahomes and the Chiefs have broken people's brains.
My bad.
On Oct 15, 2017, Minnesota improved to 4-2 after beating Green Bay (4-2) 23-10.
As you mentioned, Rodgers missed the rest of the season after this hit that resulted in a broken collarbone.
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Jaylin Daniel’s did one just as ridiculous in the very next game. Guys people try to draw fouls. It happens.
I'm a Houston Texans fan. They didn't deserve to win giving up a long kickoff return to start the game, missing an XP, and missing two FG attempts. However, some of those penalties were ridiculous and did give the Chiefs life that led to points. These two things can both be true here.
Not a Chief's hater at all but I think you would have to be naive to think he doesn't get a special whistle.
Anything that looks even close to borderline in real time will draw the flag.
IMO most great athletes get one. I certainly felt like Jordan got one back in the day.
It does annoy me though that he seems to know he gets a special whistle and uses that when running near the sideline to make defenders choose between getting a 15 yard personal foul penalty or letting him slip a tackle for more yards.
Anything that looks even close to borderline in real time will draw the flag.
IMO most great athletes get one. I certainly felt like Jordan got one back in the day.
It does annoy me though that he seems to know he gets a special whistle and uses that when running near the sideline to make defenders choose between getting a 15 yard personal foul penalty or letting him slip a tackle for more yards.
Did Daniels and Goff get penalties called on plays that were far more egregious than any called on Mahomes
The only people that say Mahomes doesn’t get special treatment are Chiefs fans. You know it’s bad when announcers comment on it
The only people that say Mahomes doesn’t get special treatment are Chiefs fans. You know it’s bad when announcers comment on it
And it's easy to tell non-Chiefs fans like yourself are biased when you make factually incorrect statements like "there wasn't helmet to helmet contact on either play". You can argue the rules or whether it was egregious enough for a call. Claiming something didn't happen, however, that takes all of a few seconds to debunk via replay makes it easy to discount your opinion.
Troy Aikman thinks flopping should be penalized. He also thought the late Mahomes slide should not have been penalized.
The story from the AP:
January 21, 2025
NFL officials were heavily scrutinized for some of the flags they threw in the four divisional round games that saw the Chiefs, Bills, Eagles and Commanders advance to next weekend’s conference championships.
Yet, it was one play that didn’t draw a flag could prove a most consequential non-call if the NFL decides to join the NBA and NHL in seriously cracking down on floppers, as ESPN broadcaster Troy Aikman suggested during the Texans-Chiefs game.
NFL players can be penalized for the big umbrella “unsportsmanlike conduct” infraction, but there isn’t an official rule against flopping, and Aikman urged the league to address that during one of his several conversations with Joe Buck over the officiating in the Chiefs’ 23-14 victory.
On the same possession where he benefitted from his late slide that caused two Texans to crash into each other, drawing a widely panned unnecessary roughness flag, Chiefs quarterback Patrick Mahomes appeared to try to deke referee Clay Martin’s officiating crew into throwing another flag to aid Kansas City’s drive, which ended with a touchdown that put the Chiefs up by eight in the fourth quarter.
Scrambling to his left, Mahomes pulled up just as he went out of bounds. When linebacker Henry To’oTo’o tapped him, Mahomes throws himself dramatically to the ground but failed to fool the officials — or impress Aikman, the Hall of Fame quarterback who earlier took umbrage at the roughing-the-passer call against Houston.
“He’s trying to draw the penalty. Rather than just run out of bounds, he slows down,” Aikman protested. “And that’s been the frustration, and I get it. I understand it. That’s been the frustration for these defensive players around the league.”
Earlier in the drive, Aikman said he “could not disagree” more with the roughing penalty called on To’oTo’o and defensive tackle Folorunso Fatukasi, who smashed into each other and made incidental contact with Mahomes, who was underneath them after his late slide.
When Martin announced the penalty, Aikman interjected, “Oh, come on!”
“He’s a runner. I could not disagree with that one more, and he barely gets hit,” Aikman said, noting that Mahomes shouldn’t have been afforded the extra protections provided quarterbacks in the pocket once he started running on the play. “That’s the second (questionable) penalty now that’s been called against the Texans. … It was a late flag, and it was Clay Martin who threw it.”
“They’ve gotta address it in the offseason,” Aikman added.
ESPN’s rules analyst Russell Yurk concurred that no flag should have been thrown on the play.
After the game, Texans coach DeMeco Ryans suggested his team expected the Chiefs to benefit from the officiating: “We knew going into today it was us versus everybody. And when I say everybody, it’s everybody.”
Yurk also disagreed with a roughing-the-passer flag on Texans pass rusher Will Anderson Jr. in the first quarter that erased a three-and-out by Kansas City, which went on to score a field goal on that drive: “It looked like that first contact was to the upper chest area. I didn’t see anything there that supported a foul,” Yurk said.
Martin, the referee, told a pool reporter after the game that on the Anderson penalty, “I had forcible contact the facemask area,” and on the To’oTo’o infraction, when the quarterback slides, “he is considered defenseless. The onus is on the defender. I had forcible contact there to the hairline, to the helmet.”
Walt Anderson, longtime NFL senior vice president of officiating who moved into a new role as the league’s rules analyst and club communications liaison last year, said Sunday that both calls were correct under the current rules.
Anderson said in an appearance Sunday on the NFL Network that it might be up for debate about whether there was forcible contact on the roughing-the-passer flag in the first quarter but emphasized that the league’s rulebook calls for officials to throw the flag if there’s any doubt whether roughing has occurred.
As for the second foul, where Mahomes slid late, Anderson said the two Texans defenders who crashed into each other made incidental contact with Mahomes once he was on the ground, so replay assist couldn’t be used in that circumstance to pick up the flag.
Anderson noted that the league’s competition committee could revisit either infraction and tweak the rules this offseason.
Aikman, for one, would like to see the league crack down on flopping, as well.
The story from the AP:
Could Patrick Mahomes’ actions lead the NFL to join the NBA and NHL in cracking down on flopping?
By ARNIE MELENDREZ STAPLETONJanuary 21, 2025
NFL officials were heavily scrutinized for some of the flags they threw in the four divisional round games that saw the Chiefs, Bills, Eagles and Commanders advance to next weekend’s conference championships.
Yet, it was one play that didn’t draw a flag could prove a most consequential non-call if the NFL decides to join the NBA and NHL in seriously cracking down on floppers, as ESPN broadcaster Troy Aikman suggested during the Texans-Chiefs game.
NFL players can be penalized for the big umbrella “unsportsmanlike conduct” infraction, but there isn’t an official rule against flopping, and Aikman urged the league to address that during one of his several conversations with Joe Buck over the officiating in the Chiefs’ 23-14 victory.
On the same possession where he benefitted from his late slide that caused two Texans to crash into each other, drawing a widely panned unnecessary roughness flag, Chiefs quarterback Patrick Mahomes appeared to try to deke referee Clay Martin’s officiating crew into throwing another flag to aid Kansas City’s drive, which ended with a touchdown that put the Chiefs up by eight in the fourth quarter.
Scrambling to his left, Mahomes pulled up just as he went out of bounds. When linebacker Henry To’oTo’o tapped him, Mahomes throws himself dramatically to the ground but failed to fool the officials — or impress Aikman, the Hall of Fame quarterback who earlier took umbrage at the roughing-the-passer call against Houston.
“He’s trying to draw the penalty. Rather than just run out of bounds, he slows down,” Aikman protested. “And that’s been the frustration, and I get it. I understand it. That’s been the frustration for these defensive players around the league.”
Earlier in the drive, Aikman said he “could not disagree” more with the roughing penalty called on To’oTo’o and defensive tackle Folorunso Fatukasi, who smashed into each other and made incidental contact with Mahomes, who was underneath them after his late slide.
When Martin announced the penalty, Aikman interjected, “Oh, come on!”
“He’s a runner. I could not disagree with that one more, and he barely gets hit,” Aikman said, noting that Mahomes shouldn’t have been afforded the extra protections provided quarterbacks in the pocket once he started running on the play. “That’s the second (questionable) penalty now that’s been called against the Texans. … It was a late flag, and it was Clay Martin who threw it.”
“They’ve gotta address it in the offseason,” Aikman added.
ESPN’s rules analyst Russell Yurk concurred that no flag should have been thrown on the play.
After the game, Texans coach DeMeco Ryans suggested his team expected the Chiefs to benefit from the officiating: “We knew going into today it was us versus everybody. And when I say everybody, it’s everybody.”
Yurk also disagreed with a roughing-the-passer flag on Texans pass rusher Will Anderson Jr. in the first quarter that erased a three-and-out by Kansas City, which went on to score a field goal on that drive: “It looked like that first contact was to the upper chest area. I didn’t see anything there that supported a foul,” Yurk said.
Martin, the referee, told a pool reporter after the game that on the Anderson penalty, “I had forcible contact the facemask area,” and on the To’oTo’o infraction, when the quarterback slides, “he is considered defenseless. The onus is on the defender. I had forcible contact there to the hairline, to the helmet.”
Walt Anderson, longtime NFL senior vice president of officiating who moved into a new role as the league’s rules analyst and club communications liaison last year, said Sunday that both calls were correct under the current rules.
Anderson said in an appearance Sunday on the NFL Network that it might be up for debate about whether there was forcible contact on the roughing-the-passer flag in the first quarter but emphasized that the league’s rulebook calls for officials to throw the flag if there’s any doubt whether roughing has occurred.
As for the second foul, where Mahomes slid late, Anderson said the two Texans defenders who crashed into each other made incidental contact with Mahomes once he was on the ground, so replay assist couldn’t be used in that circumstance to pick up the flag.
Anderson noted that the league’s competition committee could revisit either infraction and tweak the rules this offseason.
Aikman, for one, would like to see the league crack down on flopping, as well.
Could Patrick Mahomes' actions lead the NFL to join the NBA and NHL in cracking down on flopping?
There were several calls in the NFL's divisional round of the playoffs that drew scrutiny from broadcasters and fans alike over the weekend.
apnews.com
Troy Aikman thinks flopping should be penalized. He also thought the late Mahomes slide should not have been penalized.
The story from the AP:
Could Patrick Mahomes’ actions lead the NFL to join the NBA and NHL in cracking down on flopping?
By ARNIE MELENDREZ STAPLETON
January 21, 2025
NFL officials were heavily scrutinized for some of the flags they threw in the four divisional round games that saw the Chiefs, Bills, Eagles and Commanders advance to next weekend’s conference championships.
Yet, it was one play that didn’t draw a flag could prove a most consequential non-call if the NFL decides to join the NBA and NHL in seriously cracking down on floppers, as ESPN broadcaster Troy Aikman suggested during the Texans-Chiefs game.
NFL players can be penalized for the big umbrella “unsportsmanlike conduct” infraction, but there isn’t an official rule against flopping, and Aikman urged the league to address that during one of his several conversations with Joe Buck over the officiating in the Chiefs’ 23-14 victory.
On the same possession where he benefitted from his late slide that caused two Texans to crash into each other, drawing a widely panned unnecessary roughness flag, Chiefs quarterback Patrick Mahomes appeared to try to deke referee Clay Martin’s officiating crew into throwing another flag to aid Kansas City’s drive, which ended with a touchdown that put the Chiefs up by eight in the fourth quarter.
Scrambling to his left, Mahomes pulled up just as he went out of bounds. When linebacker Henry To’oTo’o tapped him, Mahomes throws himself dramatically to the ground but failed to fool the officials — or impress Aikman, the Hall of Fame quarterback who earlier took umbrage at the roughing-the-passer call against Houston.
“He’s trying to draw the penalty. Rather than just run out of bounds, he slows down,” Aikman protested. “And that’s been the frustration, and I get it. I understand it. That’s been the frustration for these defensive players around the league.”
Earlier in the drive, Aikman said he “could not disagree” more with the roughing penalty called on To’oTo’o and defensive tackle Folorunso Fatukasi, who smashed into each other and made incidental contact with Mahomes, who was underneath them after his late slide.
When Martin announced the penalty, Aikman interjected, “Oh, come on!”
“He’s a runner. I could not disagree with that one more, and he barely gets hit,” Aikman said, noting that Mahomes shouldn’t have been afforded the extra protections provided quarterbacks in the pocket once he started running on the play. “That’s the second (questionable) penalty now that’s been called against the Texans. … It was a late flag, and it was Clay Martin who threw it.”
“They’ve gotta address it in the offseason,” Aikman added.
ESPN’s rules analyst Russell Yurk concurred that no flag should have been thrown on the play.
After the game, Texans coach DeMeco Ryans suggested his team expected the Chiefs to benefit from the officiating: “We knew going into today it was us versus everybody. And when I say everybody, it’s everybody.”
Yurk also disagreed with a roughing-the-passer flag on Texans pass rusher Will Anderson Jr. in the first quarter that erased a three-and-out by Kansas City, which went on to score a field goal on that drive: “It looked like that first contact was to the upper chest area. I didn’t see anything there that supported a foul,” Yurk said.
Martin, the referee, told a pool reporter after the game that on the Anderson penalty, “I had forcible contact the facemask area,” and on the To’oTo’o infraction, when the quarterback slides, “he is considered defenseless. The onus is on the defender. I had forcible contact there to the hairline, to the helmet.”
Walt Anderson, longtime NFL senior vice president of officiating who moved into a new role as the league’s rules analyst and club communications liaison last year, said Sunday that both calls were correct under the current rules.
Anderson said in an appearance Sunday on the NFL Network that it might be up for debate about whether there was forcible contact on the roughing-the-passer flag in the first quarter but emphasized that the league’s rulebook calls for officials to throw the flag if there’s any doubt whether roughing has occurred.
As for the second foul, where Mahomes slid late, Anderson said the two Texans defenders who crashed into each other made incidental contact with Mahomes once he was on the ground, so replay assist couldn’t be used in that circumstance to pick up the flag.
Anderson noted that the league’s competition committee could revisit either infraction and tweak the rules this offseason.
Aikman, for one, would like to see the league crack down on flopping, as well.
Could Patrick Mahomes' actions lead the NFL to join the NBA and NHL in cracking down on flopping?
There were several calls in the NFL's divisional round of the playoffs that drew scrutiny from broadcasters and fans alike over the weekend.apnews.com
They need to do an automatic review of any penalty longer than 10 yards. That includes PI calls longer than 10 yards and any personal fouls.
They also need to figure out how to word the rules in such a way to ensure runners slide earlier if they want to be protected from contact. Can't start your slide just as the defender is launching into a tackle.
Funny! Should be in reverse though.
2024 roughing the passer stats:
Allen - 5 (on 14 sacks)
Mahomes - 5 (on 36 sacks)
Career roughing the passer stats:
Allen - 38 (in 122 games, 0.177 per sack)
Mahomes - 31 (in 131 games, 0.140 per sack)
Allen leads Mahomes in flops per game as well.
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