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Was Kamala a DEI pick?

Was Kamala a DEI pick?

  • Yes

    Votes: 58 66.7%
  • No

    Votes: 28 32.2%
  • I don't know

    Votes: 1 1.1%

  • Total voters
    87
What about Vance's qualifications compared to Kamala.

And LOL at the "hopefully she can beat Trump". You're gonna spend the next 4 months attacking her but sure, you want her to win. Yeah buddy.
Idiot. I hope whomever the roll out beats Trump. Besides not being Biden I have no real feelings on Kamala. She was a poor presidential candidate, hopefully she finds something against Trump.

I think the general consensus is that bigots tend to be simple-minded, you are correct. Might want to fix your spelling if you're going to use it though.

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"Simple minded" is bad grammar?

I called you simple minded for stupidly thinking that what lie behind the DEI comments was bigotry. That was a stupid, but common, refrain from the left over much of the culture war debate. We're saying X because we care about Y minority -- you disagree with X not because we don't make sense, but because you don't care for Y minority.

That stupid fallacy has only been repeated a million times over.

My point - if you want to call it that - but more of an comment on your opinion: overvaluing and waxing hyperbolic. Or how Rifler described it: everything the Dems do is crazy.

My view is more so in the middle. Dems and everyone that gets lumped in (NYT, WaPo, NPR, etc) didn't go crazy. At the same time Republicans didn't invent it all out of thin air, but rather use it all as bad faith political boogeymen.
I think it's actually a bit unfair to include democratic politicians in with what was moreso a culturally left movement. (we'll call it fanaticism over identity) Granted, they were obvious more complicit with those ideas when it came to governance, but they weren't the ones that developed them. Most all of mainstream republican/right media has major quality issues, so no surprise that the response was became stupid.
 
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Just pick the best person instead of checking a box.

You can apply that to Harris as well if she's limiting her choice just to white men.
What if there are multiple qualified candidates? Is it wrong to determine a non-traditional or contrasting candidate might be the best choice for a variety of reasons?
 
I think that DEI has infiltrated everything in ‘Marica! Watch those football games this Fall…..when those black captains meet at mid-field for the pre-game coin flip…….ask yourself….Are these guys really “leaders” on this team…or were they selected because of DEI?
 
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Your 2 questions produce different, but obvious answers:

1. Would she have been picked without being black and a woman? NO

2. Is she a DEI Pick? YES (because the answer to #1 is no, so she absolutely is).

Not sure if the poll will reflect what you want depending on the order people read your questions
 
Social media users falsely claimed that a photo of Harris standing between a man and a woman, said to be her parents, is "proof" that her father isn't Black. The photo, which spread in 2020, is not of Harris' parents.

Some have also claimed that because her father is from Jamaica, Harris is not Black. The vast majority of Jamaica's population has African heritage since the British brought enslaved Africans to the island in the 18th century.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/old-fa...ala-harris-becomes-likely-democratic-nominee/
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Social media users falsely claimed that a photo of Harris standing between a man and a woman, said to be her parents, is "proof" that her father isn't Black. The photo, which spread in 2020, is not of Harris' parents.

Some have also claimed that because her father is from Jamaica, Harris is not Black. The vast majority of Jamaica's population has African heritage since the British brought enslaved Africans to the island in the 18th century.


https://www.cbsnews.com/news/old-fa...ala-harris-becomes-likely-democratic-nominee/
jkEZc4jWIS.jpg


She's not black and neither is this person.

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Idiot. I hope whomever the roll out beats Trump. Besides not being Biden I have no real feelings on Kamala. She was a poor presidential candidate, hopefully she finds something against Trump.


"Simple minded" is bad grammar?

I called you simple minded for stupidly thinking that what lie behind the DEI comments was bigotry. That was a stupid, but common, refrain from the left over much of the culture war debate. We're saying X because we care about Y minority -- you disagree with X not because we don't make sense, but because you don't care for Y minority.

That stupid fallacy has only been repeated a million times over.


I think it's actually a bit unfair to include democratic politicians in with what was moreso a culturally left movement. (we'll call it fanaticism over identity) Granted, they were obvious more complicit with those ideas when it came to governance, but they weren't the ones that developed them. Most all of mainstream republican/right media has major quality issues, so no surprise that the response was became stupid.
If you were legitimately just polling the board on the issue than I apologize.

But from your posting history, you try to pose as smart and worldly on this board, and anyone smart and worldly knows that when it comes to hiring for professional employment that there are often numerous well qualified applicants, and there are numerous tie-breaker routes you can follow.

When it comes to Harris getting picked for VP in 2020, it was per balancing the ticket and fulfilling a criteria Biden had laid out for his VP pick. This type of balancing has been occurring since the beginning of the Republic. And from the beginning of the Republic until very recently, the only racial group and gender type that received consideration was white male. LOL at all this DEI bullshit.
 
If you were legitimately just polling the board on the issue than I apologize.

But from your posting history, you try to pose as smart and worldly on this board, and anyone smart and worldly knows that when it comes to hiring for professional employment that there are often numerous well qualified applicants, and there are numerous tie-breaker routes you can follow.

When it comes to Harris getting picked for VP in 2020, it was per balancing the ticket and fulfilling a criteria Biden had laid out for his VP pick. This type of balancing has been occurring since the beginning of the Republic. And from the beginning of the Republic until very recently, the only racial group and gender type that received consideration was white male. LOL at all this DEI bullshit.
Translation = Yep, she was a DEI pick
 
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If you were legitimately just polling the board on the issue than I apologize.

But from your posting history, you try to pose as smart and worldly on this board, and anyone smart and worldly knows that when it comes to hiring for professional employment that there are often numerous well qualified applicants, and there are numerous tie-breaker routes you can follow.

When it comes to Harris getting picked for VP in 2020, it was per balancing the ticket and fulfilling a criteria Biden had laid out for his VP pick. This type of balancing has been occurring since the beginning of the Republic. And from the beginning of the Republic until very recently, the only racial group and gender type that received consideration was white male. LOL at all this DEI bullshit.
I mostly just post what I think and let the chips fall where they may. I also troll a bit.

I posted this knowing that it would get people going. Not that I was being disingenuous.

What I originally thought was funny, though was this:

2020: Pick Kamala, a black woman has never been in the white house! (Biden promised a woman and then picked Kamala)
2024: You're terrible (republicans) for saying Kamala was a DEI pick!

That was funny.

If we go through and review the chatter around his VP pick at the time I'm not so sure it wasn't the pressure from the identitarian left (how about that instead of woke?) that was what got her in there.

Certainly she wasn't an impressive candidate for president, certainly you could've found better woman candidates, seemingly. But they wanted a brown one.

Now, if it was merely (or mostly) a ploy to turn out the black vote -- that this targeting made the most sense for their election chances -- that's a bit different.

As far as how you judge the situation? Depends. I think that if you think it's DEI, the chief complaint is that you're potentially sacrificing quality for identity.

And so... how important is the job? How much is at risk? If you were getting neurosurgery you wouldn't feel good about a department that had in their mission statement a reference to trying to make sure their selection of doctors matched the racial makeup of America.

So that's your flaw. The more dedicated your selection criteria is to trying to achieve an equitable outcome where race, gender, or really, any other attribute not important to the job is, the more you risk sacrificing quality.

So the more you see people clamoring for equitable outcome, the more worried you are about poor decision making.
 
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I mostly just post what I think and let the chips fall where they may. I also troll a bit.

I posted this knowing that it would get people going. Not that I was being disingenuous.

What I originally thought was funny, though was this:

2020: Pick Kamala, a black woman has never been in the white house! (Biden promised a woman and then picked Kamala)
2024: You're terrible (republicans) for saying Kamala was a DEI pick!

That was funny.

If we go through and review the chatter around his VP pick at the time I'm not so sure it wasn't the pressure from the identitarian left (how about that instead of woke?) that was what got her in there.

Certainly she wasn't an impressive candidate for president, certainly you could've found better woman candidates, seemingly. But they wanted a brown one.

Now, if it was merely (or mostly) a ploy to turn out the black vote -- that this targeting made the most sense for their election chances -- that's a bit different.

As far as how you judge the situation? Depends. I think that if you think it's DEI, the chief complaint is that you're potentially sacrificing quality for identity.

And so... how important is the job? How much is at risk? If you were getting neurosurgery you wouldn't feel good about a department that had in their mission statement a reference to trying to make sure their selection of doctors matched the racial makeup of America.

So that's your flaw. The more dedicated your selection criteria is to trying to achieve an equitable outcome where race, gender, or really, any other attribute not important to the job is, the more you risk sacrificing quality.

So the more you see people clamoring for equitable outcome, the more worried you are about poor decision making.
And obviously the criticism of a Kamala pick if it was mostly done on the basis of pressure to be diverse was that here is getting ready to take on Trump in arguably an election as important as we've had.

You picked someone who was a dreadful candidate for president because she checked the identity boxes your constituents wanted. Now that selection looms large -- did you choose correctly? Was your selection criteria wise?

(again, it's a bit different if your guiding logic was that you thought she'd give you the best change to get into office in the first place)
 
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I mostly just post what I think and let the chips fall where they may. I also troll a bit.

I posted this knowing that it would get people going. Not that I was being disingenuous.

What I originally thought was funny, though was this:

2020: Pick Kamala, a black woman has never been in the white house! (Biden promised a woman and then picked Kamala)
2024: You're terrible (republicans) for saying Kamala was a DEI pick!

That was funny.

If we go through and review the chatter around his VP pick at the time I'm not so sure it wasn't the pressure from the identitarian left (how about that instead of woke?) that was what got her in there.

Certainly she wasn't an impressive candidate for president, certainly you could've found better woman candidates, seemingly. But they wanted a brown one.

Now, if it was merely (or mostly) a ploy to turn out the black vote -- that this targeting made the most sense for their election chances -- that's a bit different.

As far as how you judge the situation? Depends. I think that if you think it's DEI, the chief complaint is that you're potentially sacrificing quality for identity.

And so... how important is the job? How much is at risk? If you were getting neurosurgery you wouldn't feel good about a department that had in their mission statement a reference to trying to make sure their selection of doctors matched the racial makeup of America.

So that's your flaw. The more dedicated your selection criteria is to trying to achieve an equitable outcome where race, gender, or really, any other attribute not important to the job is, the more you risk sacrificing quality.

So the more you see people clamoring for equitable outcome, the more worried you are about poor decision making.
Just as I thought, you're not anywhere close to as smart as you think you are. Again, it's a tiebreaker.

And yeah sure, Bret Kavanaugh and Neil Gorsuch were absolutely positively for sure the most qualified picks available when it came to the Supreme Ct, and not just the names at the top of Leonard Leo's list. Talk about affirmative action/DEI for a very specific, very narrow demographic.
 
These DEI picks you mention need to have twice the resumé than a white male to even be considered...
 
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Social media users falsely claimed that a photo of Harris standing between a man and a woman, said to be her parents, is "proof" that her father isn't Black. The photo, which spread in 2020, is not of Harris' parents.

Some have also claimed that because her father is from Jamaica, Harris is not Black. The vast majority of Jamaica's population has African heritage since the British brought enslaved Africans to the island in the 18th century.


https://www.cbsnews.com/news/old-fa...ala-harris-becomes-likely-democratic-nominee/
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But Rico posted a meme that proved it, oh wait, this is Rico we are talking about.

Rico not much of a critical thinker, Rico just regurgitates the far right's garbage.

Don't be like Rico.
 
She wasn't selected because she was a woman of color, she was selected based on her qualifications and she is a woman of color.

Are people on here insinuating she was not qualified? Are these people also insinuating that diverse perspectives are not something to be valued?
 
Have at me. Beat me up with your reasoning

Leaving aside the obvious pejorative intent behind using the term DEI. Kamala Harris fulfills all of the requirements for the position she was elected.

I think it would be helpful to hear from you what exactly you mean when you derisively label her a DEI hire?
 
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She wasn't selected because she was a woman of color, she was selected based on her qualifications and she is a woman of color.

Are people on here insinuating she was not qualified? Are these people also insinuating that diverse perspectives are not something to be valued?
They're dog-whistling and will not have the backbone to be honest. BAU.
 
Sure it does. They publicly asked for a woman of color. They got it. Republicans then state she was picked because she was a woman of color... On the basis of people like Reed pressuring the party to do so.
Simple-minded.
 
She wasn't selected because she was a woman of color, she was selected based on her qualifications and she is a woman of color.

Are people on insinuating she was not qualified? Are these people also insinuating that diverse perspectives are not something to be valued?
Leaving aside the obvious pejorative intent behind using the term DEI. Kamala Harris fulfills all of the requirements for the position she was elected.

I think it would be helpful to hear from you what exactly you mean when you decisively label her a DEI hire?
I think this is what they really want to say, @torbee said it best.

You people just don't expose yourself to good arguments from the opposition and remain ignorant because of it.

Let's do this somewhat analytically.

The functional DEI definition here looks a lot like affirmative action: A filter based on fairness with a minimum threshold of performance required. (can't just pick some random black woman off the street )

1) You have Woman + color as candidate as a selection filter.

2) You have a set of candidates you can choose from. (what the boundaries of your set are or should be, is up for debate to an extent -- we'll agree that Kamala could have reasonably been included in the set since she was a US senator and was running for president -- this wasn't someone picked off the street)

3) You apply the filter in item 1.

4) The set of selectable candidates is narrowed quite a bit.

5) If you had 20 candidates before, and only 4 now... you may have missed out on the best ones where performance was concerned. That's because we used a non performance based filter to narrow.

6) And so you can wonder... did we get the best one?

7) And so you can argue that Harris has been unimpressive, was a lousy candidate in the primaries, and thus was only selected on the basis of fairness given her deficits. Yes, she may have qualified for the pool of candidates, but would have been passed over if you were interested in performance only and didn't filter on fairness.

8) Lots of people think the fairness filter is flawed and don't like it. (see republicans)

9) Lots of people think Harris is a weak candidate. (especially republicans)

10) What the hell do you think they're going to say? They're going to say democrats picked a weak candidate based on a filter that doesn't make sense.

And quite frankly, I have the same concern. If we didn't get the fairness filter would we now have a candidate better equipped to beat Donald Trump?

The more you use the fairness filter the better the chances are that you're going to get sub-optimal output. Why? Because you're narrowing the set of possibilities on an selection criteria that isn't interested in the best possible outcome where performance is concerned.

Many people know this intuitively. I just explained it explicitly. It's a bad practice if what you care most about is performance outcome.
 
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You people just don't expose yourself to good arguments from the opposition and remain ignorant because of it.

Let's do this somewhat analytically.

The functional DEI definition here looks a lot like affirmative action: A filter based on fairness with a minimum threshold of performance required. (can't just pick some random black woman off the street )

1) You have Woman + color as candidate as a selection filter.

2) You have a set of candidates you can choose from. (what the boundaries of your set are or should be, is up for debate to an extent -- we'll agree that Kamala could have reasonably been included in the set since she was a US senator and was running for president -- this wasn't someone picked off the street)

3) You apply the filter in item 1.

4) The set of selectable candidates is narrowed quite a bit.

5) If you had 20 candidates before, and only 4 now... you may have missed out on the best ones where performance was concerned. That's because we used a non performance based filter to narrow.

6) And so you can wonder... did we get the best one?

7) And so you can argue that Harris has been unimpressive, was a lousy candidate in the primaries, and thus was only selected on the basis of fairness given her deficits. Yes, she may have qualified for the pool of candidates, but would have been passed over if you were interested in performance only and didn't filter on fairness.

8) Lots of people think the fairness filter is flawed and don't like it. (see republicans)

9) Lots of people think Harris is a weak candidate. (especially republicans)

10) What the hell do you think they're going to say? They're going to say democrats picked a weak candidate based on a filter that doesn't make sense.

And quite frankly, I have the same concern. If we didn't get the fairness filter would we now have a candidate better equipped to beat Donald Trump?

The more you use the fairness filter the better the chances are that you're going to get sub-optimal output. Why? Because you're narrowing the set of possibilities on an selection criteria that isn't interested in the best possible outcome where performance is concerned.

Many people know this intuitively. I just explained it explicitly. It's a bad practice if what you care most about is performance outcome.
SMFH - that's a lot of blah, blah, blah.

Do you believe Harris was/is qualified? Do you believe it can be valuable to have team members with different perspectives?

Was Justice Thomas a DEI "hire"? How about Sandra Day O'Connor?
 
She wasn't selected because she was a woman of color, she was selected based on her qualifications and she is a woman of color.

Are people on here insinuating she was not qualified? Are these people also insinuating that diverse perspectives are not something to be valued?
If she wasn’t a woman of color she wouldn’t have been picked. That was the litmus test for the selection at that time. Blatantly obvious.
It is what is.


Is she qualified…sure.
 
You people just don't expose yourself to good arguments from the opposition and remain ignorant because of it.

Let's do this somewhat analytically.

The functional DEI definition here looks a lot like affirmative action: A filter based on fairness with a minimum threshold of performance required. (can't just pick some random black woman off the street )

1) You have Woman + color as candidate as a selection filter.

2) You have a set of candidates you can choose from. (what the boundaries of your set are or should be, is up for debate to an extent -- we'll agree that Kamala could have reasonably been included in the set since she was a US senator and was running for president -- this wasn't someone picked off the street)

3) You apply the filter in item 1.

4) The set of selectable candidates is narrowed quite a bit.

5) If you had 20 candidates before, and only 4 now... you may have missed out on the best ones where performance was concerned. That's because we used a non performance based filter to narrow.

6) And so you can wonder... did we get the best one?

7) And so you can argue that Harris has been unimpressive, was a lousy candidate in the primaries, and thus was only selected on the basis of fairness given her deficits. Yes, she may have qualified for the pool of candidates, but would have been passed over if you were interested in performance only and didn't filter on fairness.

8) Lots of people think the fairness filter is flawed and don't like it. (see republicans)

9) Lots of people think Harris is a weak candidate. (especially republicans)

10) What the hell do you think they're going to say? They're going to say democrats picked a weak candidate based on a filter that doesn't make sense.

And quite frankly, I have the same concern. If we didn't get the fairness filter would we now have a candidate better equipped to beat Donald Trump?

The more you use the fairness filter the better the chances are that you're going to get sub-optimal output. Why? Because you're narrowing the set of possibilities on an selection criteria that isn't interested in the best possible outcome where performance is concerned.

Many people know this intuitively. I just explained it explicitly. It's a bad practice if what you care most about is performance outcome.

I basically have 3 issues with what you're saying. The first is, no quantifiable definition of "best" exist for VP, you're operating under the assumption that pledge to select a female POC was the first filter ignoring any vetting processes that were already underway within the campaign and your basic assumption that by not including white males in the pool automatically has eliminated the "best" person for this entirely unique elected position.(whatever the hell that means to you)
 
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I basically have 3 issues with what you're saying. The first is, no quantifiable definition of "best" exist for VP, you're operating under the assumption that pledge to select a female POC was the first filter ignoring any vetting processes that were already underway within the campaign and your basic assumption that by not including white males in the pool automatically has eliminated the "best" person for this entirely unique elected position.(whatever the hell that means to you)
In regards to your first issue…


For a 78 year old candidate the #1 consideration should have been picking the best person to take over if he was incapacitated.
 
If she wasn’t a woman of color she wouldn’t have been picked. That was the litmus test for the selection at that time. Blatantly obvious.
It is what is.


Is she qualified…sure.
No - that was one of the ultimate selection choices but it's foolish to insinuate that she was only chosen because she's a black woman.
 
No - that was one of the ultimate selection choices but it's foolish to insinuate that she was only chosen because she's a black woman.
I didn’t say “only” Riley. But it was the litmus test to get to the qualification part.
The final 4 were all women of color Riley. It pretty obvious.


You can pretend otherwise but I think you know it’s true. Just can’t admit it.
 
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