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Wayyy too early B1G predictions for title contenders

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Well since its the off season, and we haven't had a prediction thread for a while, why not. Also, its June so no need for anyone to get worked up over it. Just how I'm envisioning things 9 or so months out from B1G's, even before some of these kids ever touch a college mat. Also, the only concrete predictions I have are finalists 1st and 2nd, everything else is 3/4 or 5/6.

B1G Tourny Placings
Iowa
Gilman 1st
Clark 1st
Turk 5th/6th
Sorensen 2nd
Kemerer 2nd
Marinelli 5th/6th
Meyer 3rd/4th
Brooks 1st
Holloway 5th/6th
Stoll 3rd/4th

Penn St.
Suriano 3rd/4th
Cortez 3rd/4th
Gulibon 3rd/4th
Retherford 1st
Nolf 1st
Joseph 3rd/4th
Nickal 2nd
Rasheed/McCutcheon 3rd/4th
Cassar 5th/6th
Nevills 5th/6th

Ohio St.
Tomasello 2nd
Pletcher 5th/6th
Hayes 3rd/4th
Jordan 3rd/4th
Ryan 5th/6th
White 5th/6th
Jordan 1st
Martin 3rd/4th
Moore 3rd/4th
Snyder 1st

Finals Predictions
125: Gilman over Tomasello
133: Clark over Richards
141: Ashnault over Thorn
149: Retherford over Sorensen
157: Nolf over Kemerer
165: Imar over I.Jordan
174: B.Jordan over Nickal
184: Brooks over Dudley
197: Pfarr over Studebaker
285: Snyder over Coon

Team
1st: Iowa
2nd: Penn St.
3rd: Ohio St.
4th: Michigan
5th: Nebraska

Will be fun to come back and see how absolutely right I was come B1Gs (or completely wrong, either one.)
Post your own way too early predictions!
 
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Nice work, fun conversation starter.
You have Brooks or Dudley beating Myles Martin. Unfortunately, I see a much higher ceiling on Martin that I see on Brooks.
I also don't see Nickal losing a match next year.
If Marienelli is the 5th or 6th best 165 lber in the Big ten, he'd probably red-shirt.
 
IMar, Jordan, Jordan, Joseph. 5/6 in big ten isn't far fetched for super talent Marinelli.
 
I had Imar, Jordan, Joseph, and Massa above Marinelli for now. With BoJo moving up to 174.
 
reasonable predictions LaxHawk. I could see 90% of what you predicted panning out like that.
165 all of a sudden went from an open weight class to a complete full house of potential hammers.
Marinelli is going to have to progress this summer in order to be in contention for a top five finish in the Big Ten. That being said, I think if you can place top five in the Big Ten tourney, you have a good shot at an All American finish at NCAAs.
Dringer kept a lot of wolves at bay at 65 for several years looks like.
 
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Three match-ups I'm excited to see:
1) Cortez v Richards (former teammates, I'm taking Richards),
2) IMar v Isaac Jordan (rooting for IMar but Jordan is *VERY* underrated!),
3) Bo Jordan v Bo Nickal (a BoJo that isn't wiped out from cutting weight against Nickal who now has a full year of Big Ten completion under his belt!)

Man, the season can't come soon enough!

I don't care which team wins the Big Ten title, so long as it isn't PSU, lol
 
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Well since its the off season, and we haven't had a prediction thread for a while, why not. Also, its June so no need for anyone to get worked up over it. Just how I'm envisioning things 9 or so months out from B1G's, even before some of these kids ever touch a college mat. Also, the only concrete predictions I have are finalists 1st and 2nd, everything else is 3/4 or 5/6.

B1G Tourny Placings
Iowa
Gilman 1st
Clark 1st
Turk 5th/6th
Sorensen 2nd
Kemerer 2nd
Marinelli 5th/6th
Meyer 3rd/4th
Brooks 1st
Holloway 5th/6th
Stoll 3rd/4th


Finals Predictions
125: Gilman over Tomasello
133: Clark over Richards
141: Ashnault over Thorn
149: Retherford over Sorensen
157: Nolf over Kemerer
165: Imar over I.Jordan
174: B.Jordan over Nickal
184: Brooks over Dudley
197: Pfarr over Studebaker
285: Snyder over Coon


Team
1st: Iowa
2nd: Penn St.

3rd: Ohio St.
4th: Michigan
5th: Nebraska

Will be fun to come back and see how absolutely right I was come B1Gs (or completely wrong, either one.)
Post your own way too early predictions!

I like Nickal over B.Jordan. The others are very close to what could happen. Retherford is almost a given as is Nolf. Imar is close to a given also. Snyder is almost a given. The others are very close to what could happen but surely not a given.

Marinelli is in a meat grinder for a freshman. No need to not redshirt him unless he could at least AA. Tough task for sure. Brooks and Meyer need to do way better than last year for us to be in the conversation. PSU will have 3 NC, more than likely.

So I hate to say it but PSU is above Iowa in my thinking.
 
I like Nickal over B.Jordan. The others are very close to what could happen. Retherford is almost a given as is Nolf. Imar is close to a given also. Snyder is almost a given. The others are very close to what could happen but surely not a given.

Marinelli is in a meat grinder for a freshman. No need to not redshirt him unless he could at least AA. Tough task for sure. Brooks and Meyer need to do way better than last year for us to be in the conversation. PSU will have 3 NC, more than likely.

So I hate to say it but PSU is above Iowa in my thinking.

Penn State has Retherford and Nolf as sure-fire champs. Iowa has Gilman and Clark as pretty safe bets. Ohio State could have three champs with Tomasello, BoJo, and Snyder. Should be a pretty awesome tourney come next March!
 
Penn State has Retherford and Nolf as sure-fire champs. Iowa has Gilman and Clark as pretty safe bets. Ohio State could have three champs with Tomasello, BoJo, and Snyder. Should be a pretty awesome tourney come next March!

I wish I was as confident as you in Clark. That weight is going to be ridiculous with high end talent. That's not saying he can't or won't win.

125-Gillman 1-3
133-Clark 1-5
141-Carton 2-2-R12
149-Bsor 2
157-Kem-2-8
165-Mar-6-dnp
174-Meyer-1-DNP-He can beat anyone or lose to anyone
184-Brooks 2-DNP
197-H-Hopefully can win a match at nationals
hwt-Stoll-4-8
 
I cannot pick the winner out of these 3 teams. I think they are all very close this year.

Iowa champs 125 and 133. Runner up at 149, 157.
PSU champs at 149 and 157. Runner up at 174.
TOSU champs at 174, 285. Runner up at 125, 184.

Some key matchups between the 3 teams that will play a role in how things shake out.
125 - Gman and Tomasello. These two are close. Both are great wrestlers. I favor Gilman by a hair. Suriano not on this level yet.
174 - Nickal and BoJo. I don't think 174 was a real tough weight last year. BoJo will prove that by beating Nickal. Meyer a step behind.
184 - Brooks and Martin. Since I think 174 was weak last year, I definitely don't see Martin separating himself from Brooks, Dudley, and Abounader. Those 4 are relatively even IMO.
 
I wish I was as confident as you in Clark. That weight is going to be ridiculous with high end talent. That's not saying he can't or won't win.

125-Gillman 1-3
133-Clark 1-5
141-Carton 2-2-R12
149-Bsor 2
157-Kem-2-8
165-Mar-6-dnp
174-Meyer-1-DNP-He can beat anyone or lose to anyone
184-Brooks 2-DNP
197-H-Hopefully can win a match at nationals
hwt-Stoll-4-8
I think it's going to be Turk at 141.
 
Three match-ups I'm excited to see:
1) Cortez v Richards (former teammates, I'm taking Richards),
2) IMar v Isaac Jordan (rooting for IMar but Jordan is *VERY* underrated!),
3) Bo Jordan v Bo Nickal (a BoJo that isn't wiped out from cutting weight against Nickal who now has a full year of Big Ten completion under his belt!)

Man, the season can't come soon enough!

I don't care which team wins the Big Ten title, so long as it isn't PSU, lol
I think you're right on regarding I Jordan. Kid's really good and extremely unsexy. By that, I mean he's boring to watch and rarely blows guys away like an IMar. I think those two is going to be tight with IMar squeeking out a 1 point victory.
The other 65 pounder not mentioned so far that will definitely factor into Big Tens is Isaiah White from OSU. Like I said, 65 is going to be a gauntlet of hammers in the Big Ten next year.
I like BoJo at 74 next year. I take him over Nickal.
Richards just beat Tyler Graff TWICE! The kid is going to be in a League of his own...jk. Clark will take him down, but it's gonna be hell to do it
 
GMan: 1st
Clark: 1st
Turk: 4th
Sorensen: 2nd
Kemdawg: 2nd
Bull: 4th
Meyer: 3rd
Brooks: 3rd
Holloway: 6th
Stoll: 3rd

125: Gilman over Mimic
133: Clark over Richards
141: Ashnault over Thorn
149: Retherford over BS
157: Nolf over Kemdawg
165: I. Jordan over IMart
174: B. Jordan over Nickal
184: Abounander over Dudley
197: Pfarr over Studebaker
Hwt: Coon over Stoll(no Snyder)
 
Jordan over Nickel is wishful thinking unless moving up is the answer to Jordan's case of the blahs. Nickal is physical, athletic and wrestles with a scrap in him. Just think Nikkle will be a tough beat for Bojo.
 
GMan: 1st
Clark: 1st
Turk: 4th
Sorensen: 2nd
Kemdawg: 2nd
Bull: 4th
Meyer: 3rd
Brooks: 3rd
Holloway: 6th
Stoll: 3rd

125: Gilman over Mimic
133: Clark over Richards
141: Ashnault over Thorn
149: Retherford over BS
157: Nolf over Kemdawg
165: I. Jordan over IMart
174: B. Jordan over Nickal
184: Abounander over Dudley
197: Pfarr over Studebaker
Hwt: Coon over Stoll(no Snyder)

If Isaac beats IMar, we heard it here first. If not, we get to rub it in. Ah, the beauty of pre-season predictions!! lol

What does Sorenson need to do to beat Z-Pain?? If he can pull the upset, he wins himself *and* his team a championship!
 
I'll take a crack,

125-Gilman over Tomasello, Lambert (Neb)-3rd, Oliver(Ind)-4th, Youtsey(Mich)-5th, Jimenez(Wisc)-6th
133-Clark over Richards, Taylor(Wisc)-3rd, rest looks blah, don't know incoming talent, so help a brother out
141-Ashnault over Jordan, Thorn(Minn)-3rd, Gasca III(Mich St.)-4th, Gulibon (PSU)-5th, Sabatello (Pur)-6th
149-Retherford over Sorensen, Tshirt (NW)-3rd, Pantaleo (Mich)-4th, not sure of the rest, so help a brother out
157-Nolf over Kemerer, Murphy(Mich)-3rd, Ryan(OSU)-4th, Lewis(Rut)-5th, Berger(Neb)-6th
165-I. Jordan over IMart, V.Joseph(PSU)-3rd, The Bull-4th, Massa(Mich)-5th, Welch(Pur)-6th
174-Martin over Nickal, Brunson(Ill)-3rd, Meyer-4th, Jackson(Ind)-5th, Barnes(Neb)-6th
184-Brooks over Abounader, Dudley(Neb)-3rd, McCutcheon(PSU)-4th, not sure of the rest, help/brother out
197-Pfarr over Studebaker, and I've got nothing else as this weight cleared out from graduation
Hwt-Snyder over Coon, Stoll-3rd, Kroells(Minn)-4th, Jensen(Neb)-5th, Black(Ill)-6th

125-don't see Suriano busting through, maybe taking out Jimenez,
133-I have no idea on anyone coming in, so please, weigh in (pun unintended)
141-Gasca III has looked good, have a feeling he's going to turn it on
149-no idea after 4th
157-Murphy's record was off last hurt (injured?), and he's always dangerous (evidence from his win over Palacio in NCAA), if he's healthy, he makes some noise
165-I just think Jordan is due to finally close a season out as both Big Ten and NCAA. The guy is a rock, but Dieringer stood in his way at NCAA last year. I believe that this match will be match of the year quality, gets him in OT (apparently they met in 2013 at 157, IMART with a 7-5 win, according to WrestleStat).
174-I haven't forgotten about Martin, I think he rides the wave to the NCAA tourney, where Nickal gets his revenge.
184-Sammy gets another, but this time goes through Dudley to get to the final.
197-Pfarr in a cakewalk, don't know of anyone else coming in
Hwt-Just hand Snyder the championship, hoping he adds it to a Gold medal from this summer.

Iowa results:
Gilman-champ
Clark-champ
Carton-7-8th
Sorensen-2nd
Kemerer-2nd
Bull-4th
Meyer-4th
Brooks-champ
Holloway-5-6th
Stoll-3rd

Hoping Turk takes Carton to get the spot, as I believe he has a better chance at placing higher, haven't really heard if Holloway/Wilke have distanced themselves, so went with Holloway.

Have heard the crazy notion of Paddock going in at 174, then Meyer 184, then Sammy at 197

in that case:
Paddock-6th
Meyer-5th
Brooks-3rd

This is just from looking at last year's tourney and some of my random thoughts, but I wanted to give an specific breakdown for discussion, gents. Have at it (and please, be gentle)
 
I'll take a crack,

125-Gilman over Tomasello, Lambert (Neb)-3rd, Oliver(Ind)-4th, Youtsey(Mich)-5th, Jimenez(Wisc)-6th
133-Clark over Richards, Taylor(Wisc)-3rd, rest looks blah, don't know incoming talent, so help a brother out
141-Ashnault over Jordan, Thorn(Minn)-3rd, Gasca III(Mich St.)-4th, Gulibon (PSU)-5th, Sabatello (Pur)-6th
149-Retherford over Sorensen, Tshirt (NW)-3rd, Pantaleo (Mich)-4th, not sure of the rest, so help a brother out
157-Nolf over Kemerer, Murphy(Mich)-3rd, Ryan(OSU)-4th, Lewis(Rut)-5th, Berger(Neb)-6th
165-I. Jordan over IMart, V.Joseph(PSU)-3rd, The Bull-4th, Massa(Mich)-5th, Welch(Pur)-6th
174-Martin over Nickal, Brunson(Ill)-3rd, Meyer-4th, Jackson(Ind)-5th, Barnes(Neb)-6th
184-Brooks over Abounader, Dudley(Neb)-3rd, McCutcheon(PSU)-4th, not sure of the rest, help/brother out
197-Pfarr over Studebaker, and I've got nothing else as this weight cleared out from graduation
Hwt-Snyder over Coon, Stoll-3rd, Kroells(Minn)-4th, Jensen(Neb)-5th, Black(Ill)-6th

125-don't see Suriano busting through, maybe taking out Jimenez,
133-I have no idea on anyone coming in, so please, weigh in (pun unintended)
141-Gasca III has looked good, have a feeling he's going to turn it on
149-no idea after 4th
157-Murphy's record was off last hurt (injured?), and he's always dangerous (evidence from his win over Palacio in NCAA), if he's healthy, he makes some noise
165-I just think Jordan is due to finally close a season out as both Big Ten and NCAA. The guy is a rock, but Dieringer stood in his way at NCAA last year. I believe that this match will be match of the year quality, gets him in OT (apparently they met in 2013 at 157, IMART with a 7-5 win, according to WrestleStat).
174-I haven't forgotten about Martin, I think he rides the wave to the NCAA tourney, where Nickal gets his revenge.
184-Sammy gets another, but this time goes through Dudley to get to the final.
197-Pfarr in a cakewalk, don't know of anyone else coming in
Hwt-Just hand Snyder the championship, hoping he adds it to a Gold medal from this summer.

Iowa results:
Gilman-champ
Clark-champ
Carton-7-8th
Sorensen-2nd
Kemerer-2nd
Bull-4th
Meyer-4th
Brooks-champ
Holloway-5-6th
Stoll-3rd

Hoping Turk takes Carton to get the spot, as I believe he has a better chance at placing higher, haven't really heard if Holloway/Wilke have distanced themselves, so went with Holloway.

Have heard the crazy notion of Paddock going in at 174, then Meyer 184, then Sammy at 197

in that case:
Paddock-6th
Meyer-5th
Brooks-3rd

This is just from looking at last year's tourney and some of my random thoughts, but I wanted to give an specific breakdown for discussion, gents. Have at it (and please, be gentle)
Lots of not gonna happens in my opinion. Good offseason conversation piece though.
 
I think you're right on regarding I Jordan. Kid's really good and extremely unsexy. By that, I mean he's boring to watch and rarely blows guys away like an IMar. I think those two is going to be tight with IMar squeeking out a 1 point victory.
The other 65 pounder not mentioned so far that will definitely factor into Big Tens is Isaiah White from OSU. Like I said, 65 is going to be a gauntlet of hammers in the Big Ten next year.
I like BoJo at 74 next year. I take him over Nickal.
Richards just beat Tyler Graff TWICE! The kid is going to be in a League of his own...jk. Clark will take him down, but it's gonna be hell to do it
Richards is on the all time cosmos team for cripes sake. No one can beat him.
 
Curious to see Kaid Brock vs those guys
I see both Clark and Richards winning 4-3, 5-3, 5-4, 6-4 type decisions against Brock. I'm not saying his pin against Brewer was a fluke but he was pretty unknown and it was a shock and awe match for him. I think Clark and Richards would be aware of him now.
 
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I understand your view but ever since Brands said Turk was doing well in the room this board has had a love fest for Turk. Carton is very close to being really damn good.
That's not the reason I like Turk better. Turk sounds like the name of an individual who dishes it out and Carton is on the receiving end of it. Just my opinion. o_O
 
It's a 3 team race next year IMO between tOSU psu and Iowa next year for the BIGs title and NCAAs.

tOSU: guys like Pletcher 33, White 65 will likely start next year. Tom Ryan gives no Fs about starting a true Frosh. That coach will do whatever it takes to win a team title (just ask Thomas Haines)
Micah Jordan will be the X factor. He'll be at 49 and be a mid to high AA. I can see KeyShawn Hayes also placing mid to high AA in a relatively open 41lb weight class.
tOSU seems to be on a trend of having success with their younger wrestlers early, and they have several young bucks ready to keep that trend going. This team is very dangerous. Wouldn't be surprised one bit if they come into BIGs tourney ranked #1

PSU: Nolf, Nickal, Retherford, Joseph equals bonus points galore. tOSU has more talent spread out, but PSU has more bonus point scorers than any other team in the BIGs or NCAAs.
Even if 41, 84, 97 fail to get much points at either Tourney, they are still a legit threat to win it all with those four guys. Cortez is good, but 33 in the BIGs is loaded, and I'm not just talking about Clark and Richards. Montoya from Nebbie is tough and dirty. Pletcher from tOSU is legit. Ryan Taylor from Wisconsin can beat them all on a good day.
Suriano will be tough, but this is the BIGs. I think he would benefit a lot from a redshirt year, but Cael wants to win now. Suriano may turn heads with a win here or there over a tough guy with a mid ranking, but he will be overwhelmed by the likes of Gilman, NATO, and Micic. The wins he does get will be decisions and majors. I don't see much bonus points from this kid this year or any of his following years.
Once again, bonus points will keep Cael's ship afloat regardless of other below par performances from other weights.

Iowa: We have a really good experienced team coming back with some gaping holes. The senior class is one of the best classes we've had in a while at Iowa City. Gilman is the leader of this squad, and guys will need to follow his lead if they want to win team titles. Our situation is similar to PSU in regards to our holes in the lineup, but we don't have as many bonus scorers as PSU has. Our hammers at 25, 33, 49 are good to make finals in any tourney, but majority of the wins along the way are usually decisions.
I think Brooks can win it all if he's on next year, at BIGs and NCAAs.
Kemerer is the sure fire high placer PLUS bonus point getter that we need to win team titles.
He's the type of kid that will take third and rack up more team points doing that than the runner up.
41, 65, 97 all HAVE to get points for us to have a chance at either Tourneys. They MUST. We don't have the bonus points to make it without them. Marinelli will need stiffer compeition in the room than the Dardane brothers if he wants to prepare for a True Frosh campaign in the BIGs next year. I think the Bull starts and steamrolls guys not ranked in the top ten and drops several matches to guys in the top 8. Gotta start him tho if Iowa wants to win a team title.
If Gross was still here, 41 would be a solid team point contributor, but we have either Turk or Carton. Realistically, I don't expect much points at this time. This sucks, because this is one of the weakest weights in the country.
No idea who's ahead in the race for 97. Wilke or Holloway are both true frosh and are going to take their bumps against seasoned Big Tens veterans. Vegas Odds tell me not to expect much points here either.
Glaring holes at 41 and 97. Iowa is a combination of both tOSU and PSU in regards to tOSU overall team depth with a few bonus point hammers.

tOSU:
Potential AAs: 9
BIGs Champion threats: 25, 41, 49, 65, 74, 84, Heavy (7)
NCAAs Champion threats: 25, 65, 74, 84, Heavy (5)

psu:
Potential AAs: 10 (Healthy Cassar)
BIGs Champion threats: 49, 57,65,74,84 (5)
NCAAs Champion threats: 49, 57,74, (3)

IOWA:
Potential AAs: 8
BIGs Champion threats: 25, 33, 49, 57, 84 (5)
NCAAs Champion threats: 25, 33, 49, 57, 84 (5)

So, going into the season, I'd be tOSU as in the lead with PSU and Iowa tied for second.

For you poker fans out there, here's how I see each teams starting hands pre-flop

PSU: Under the Gun/ A 10 off suite
They get the ace cause of their three hammers. They're behind, but if the Ace comes through, they take a commanding lead against any hand. They're under the gun cause they want to repeat.

tOSU: Middle position/ 8 8
They won it before and want it again. They are between two powerhouse programs tho. They're ahead statistically pre-flop, but there's a lot of cards yet to be turned over.

IOWA: On the Button/ K Q suited
The "Mom and Dad"
Iowa's on the button because everyone waits to see what we do than follows suit. We have the power to set the tempo. Our program is the last one of the three to win a title, but we're in the best position in years to win it this year.
We're behind, but we have a lot of outs here. If the right cards fall, we can beat any hand out there. Ace can fall on the flop, but Iowa can still turn that into a straight or flush on the river.
 
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It's a 3 team race next year IMO between tOSU psu and Iowa next year for the BIGs title and NCAAs.

tOSU: guys like Pletcher 33, White 65 will likely start next year. Tom Ryan gives no Fs about starting a true Frosh. That coach will do whatever it takes to win a team title (just ask Thomas Haines)
Micah Jordan will be the X factor. He'll be at 49 and be a mid to high AA. I can see KeyShawn Hayes also placing mid to high AA in a relatively open 41lb weight class.
tOSU seems to be on a trend of having success with their younger wrestlers early, and they have several young bucks ready to keep that trend going. This team is very dangerous. Wouldn't be surprised one bit if they come into BIGs tourney ranked #1

PSU: Nolf, Nickal, Retherford, Joseph equals bonus points galore. tOSU has more talent spread out, but PSU has more bonus point scorers than any other team in the BIGs or NCAAs.
Even if 41, 84, 97 fail to get much points at either Tourney, they are still a legit threat to win it all with those four guys. Cortez is good, but 33 in the BIGs is loaded, and I'm not just talking about Clark and Richards. Montoya from Nebbie is tough and dirty. Pletcher from tOSU is legit. Ryan Taylor from Wisconsin can beat them all on a good day.
Suriano will be tough, but this is the BIGs. I think he would benefit a lot from a redshirt year, but Cael wants to win now. Suriano may turn heads with a win here or there over a tough guy with a mid ranking, but he will be overwhelmed by the likes of Gilman, NATO, and Micic. The wins he does get will be decisions and majors. I don't see much bonus points from this kid this year or any of his following years.
Once again, bonus points will keep Cael's ship afloat regardless of other below par performances from other weights.

Iowa: We have a really good experienced team coming back with some gaping holes. The senior class is one of the best classes we've had in a while at Iowa City. Gilman is the leader of this squad, and guys will need to follow his lead if they want to win team titles. Our situation is similar to PSU in regards to our holes in the lineup, but we don't have as many bonus scorers as PSU has. Our hammers at 25, 33, 49 are good to make finals in any tourney, but majority of the wins along the way are usually decisions.
I think Brooks can win it all if he's on next year, at BIGs and NCAAs.
Kemerer is the sure fire high placer PLUS bonus point getter that we need to win team titles.
He's the type of kid that will take third and rack up more team points doing that than the runner up.
41, 65, 97 all HAVE to get points for us to have a chance at either Tourneys. They MUST. We don't have the bonus points to make it without them. Marinelli will need stiffer compeition in the room than the Dardane brothers if he wants to prepare for a True Frosh campaign in the BIGs next year. I think the Bull starts and steamrolls guys not ranked in the top ten and drops several matches to guys in the top 8. Gotta start him tho if Iowa wants to win a team title.
If Gross was still here, 41 would be a solid team point contributor, but we have either Turk or Carton. Realistically, I don't expect much points at this time. This sucks, because this is one of the weakest weights in the country.
No idea who's ahead in the race for 97. Wilke or Holloway are both true frosh and are going to take their bumps against seasoned Big Tens veterans. Vegas Odds tell me not to expect much points here either.
Glaring holes at 41 and 97. Iowa is a combination of both tOSU and PSU in regards to tOSU overall team depth with a few bonus point hammers.

tOSU:
Potential AAs: 9
BIGs Champion threats: 25, 41, 49, 65, 74, 84, Heavy (7)
NCAAs Champion threats: 25, 65, 74, 84, Heavy (5)

psu:
Potential AAs: 10 (Healthy Cassar)
BIGs Champion threats: 49, 57,65,74,84 (5)
NCAAs Champion threats: 49, 57,74, (3)

IOWA:
Potential AAs: 8
BIGs Champion threats: 25, 33, 49, 57, 84 (5)
NCAAs Champion threats: 25, 33, 49, 57, 84 (5)

So, going into the season, I'd be tOSU as in the lead with PSU and Iowa tied for second.

For you poker fans out there, here's how I see each teams starting hands pre-flop

PSU: Under the Gun/ A 10 off suite
They get the ace cause of their three hammers. They're behind, but if the Ace comes through, they take a commanding lead against any hand. They're under the gun cause they want to repeat.

tOSU: Middle position/ 8 8
They won it before and want it again. They are between two powerhouse programs tho. They're ahead statistically pre-flop, but there's a lot of cards yet to be turned over.

IOWA: On the Button/ K Q suited
The "Mom and Dad"
Iowa's on the button because everyone waits to see what we do than follows suit. We have the power to set the tempo. Our program is the last one of the three to win a title, but we're in the best position in years to win it this year.
We're behind, but we have a lot of outs here. If the right cards fall, we can beat any hand out there. Ace can fall on the flop, but Iowa can still turn that into a straight or flush on the river.

Well done sir, I enjoyed reading that and find little about it that I disagree with, I do think PSU has higher ceiling guys at their "Weak" weights. I am very curious how a healthy Nevills and a fully fed Rasheed will do??

for tOSU I am very curious if they can keep the true freshman train rolling

For Iowa, I am very curious if the Bull is given the opportunity because I agree with you that if you guys want a chance at the National Title you need Bull to perform. (but boy what a tough weight in the BIG10...I do not envy Brands in that decision)
 
Sandor 45,

Don't forget OKState at NCAA's. They will have a very formidable lineup and if the transfer rumors(starting to doubt them) at 285 ever come true, they won't have a single hole in ther lineup.

125:piccininni-Can't do worse than Klimara did this past season. Could finish anywhere from (1-2) to 5th place.
133:Brock-If he is fully healthy, he is a true top 5 talent.
141:Heil-Defending Champ!
149:Collica-Returning 4th place finisher
157:Smith-Expect him to finish much higher than 7th.
165:Rogers-If it is true that 165 is his ideal weight, his leverage will make him a true bracket buster.
174:Crutchmer-I still think he is the most talented guy at this weight. But, motivation and health need to be much closer to 100% for it to matter.
184:Boyd-This guy has improved by leaps and bounds. Top 5
197:Weigel-Another guy that has improved a ton. 197 is thin enough that he could/should make the podium.
285:Transfer or Nothing(Schafer) He may win a match or 2 with the right draw, but he isn't beating any of the top 285's.
 
Sandor 45,

Don't forget OKState at NCAA's. They will have a very formidable lineup and if the transfer rumors(starting to doubt them) at 285 ever come true, they won't have a single hole in ther lineup.

125:piccininni-Can't do worse than Klimara did this past season. Could finish anywhere from (1-2) to 5th place.
133:Brock-If he is fully healthy, he is a true top 5 talent.
141:Heil-Defending Champ!
149:Collica-Returning 4th place finisher
157:Smith-Expect him to finish much higher than 7th.
165:Rogers-If it is true that 165 is his ideal weight, his leverage will make him a true bracket buster.
174:Crutchmer-I still think he is the most talented guy at this weight. But, motivation and health need to be much closer to 100% for it to matter.
184:Boyd-This guy has improved by leaps and bounds. Top 5
197:Weigel-Another guy that has improved a ton. 197 is thin enough that he could/should make the podium.
285:Transfer or Nothing(Schafer) He may win a match or 2 with the right draw, but he isn't beating any of the top 285's.
I was trying to keep the predictions discussions within the Big Ten.
You're right tho, OK St will be a factor next year like they always are.

OK St: Solid overall team with no real super star bonus point hammers. They have a returning champ in Heil, but he keeps matches way to close. Brock and Smith could greatly turn the odds in OK St's favor to win a NCAA title this year. Both healthy, I can see them both in the finals.
Piccinnini, or however you spell that name, is not a top 5 contender. He just lost recently to a junior in high school (Teasdale) and a future true freshman (Austin Gomez) I think OK st has a repeat of Klimara type year at 25.
Brock, Boyd, Crutchmer(healthy), Smith, and Heil are legit high AA finishers. None are bonus point machines. It baffles me the degree that Coach Smith moves his guys around. Rogers was wrestling 84 last year.
A healthy Crutch will help, but he'll still be behind the two Bos.
Overall solid lineup with wholes at 25, 65, 97, and Heavy. If they had one Dringer in the lineup, I think you'd have to favor OK St, but they don't have anyone like that now.

OK st:
Potential AAs: 6
NCAA Title Threats: 33, 41, 57, 84 (4)

Poker Hand: 22 (middle late position)
The "Ducks"
Ok St finds themselves in late middle position cause they're in a so so spot to win the hand. Last year, they were on the button and in great position to win it. Smith went all in but injuries killed them.
They start Pre Flop with pocket 2s, because they have several solid sure fire mid level AAs coming back but lack any Aces (aka hammers) Coach Smith will play 22s to see what he has after the Flop, but like most pocket 2 hands, you rarely go all in after that. Hence, I don't think you'll see Smith go all in this year like he did last year.
I don't even know if he has a Kaid Brock type true Frosh he could plug in mid season anyways. Even if he does, maybe he gauges where his team is at mid season and saves him for next year.
 
It baffles me the degree that Coach Smith moves his guys around. Rogers was wrestling 84 last year.


The Rogers you are thinking about is Jordan Rogers, Chandlers older brother. Small at 84 no doubt, but has an issue with cutting a bit.
 
Piccinnini, or however you spell that name, is not a top 5 contender. He just lost recently to a junior in high school (Teasdale) and a future true freshman (Austin Gomez) I think OK st has a repeat of Klimara type year at 25.

To be fair, he did TF Teasdale in their rematch at Junior Trials and I believe I read somewhere that he hadn't wrestled much freestyle before Junior Nationals. He might not be top 5 but he did major decision Milhof of Oklahoma last year, who ended up 7th at NCAA's.
 
I agree. I honestly don't see 125, 165 or 197 as holes for OkState. Piccininni will hover between 7th and 15th during the regular season. Rogers(If 165 is his ideal weight he will be REALLY good) made the R12 up at 174 and Weigel also made the R12 at 197.

I would still say Iowa's point total potential is higher, but that would be a very difficult dual to win if Stoll's health is still a concern, regardless of whether OkState gets a transfer.


125: Gilman by major decision 4-0 Iowa This could be a regular decision, but I don't see Gilman losing 1 in 100.
133: Clark by decision. 7-0 Iowa Potential match of the night!
141: Heil by major decision 7-4 Iowa Iowa is great at keeping matches to regular decisions but I gotta go with the NCAA Champ.
149: Sorenson by decision 10-4 Iowa Sorenson is the clear 2nd best at this weight.
157: Smith by decision 10-7 Iowa Potential match of the night!
165: Rogers by decision(or pin) 10-10 TIED Rogers is SUPER dangerous and I am not sold Marinelli doesn't redshirt.
174: Crutchmer by decision 13-10 OkState Another potential match of the night!
184: Brooks by decision 13-13 TIED Another potential match of the night!
197: Weigel by decision 16-13 OkState
285: Stoll by decision 16-16 Stoll's health and who ends up at 285 for OkState, most likely decides this dual!
 
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