we cannot rebound
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It appears to be a combo of bad rebounding and no over the back calls.
And easy shots...missing a lot
And easy shots...missing a lot
Lol. Thats the furthest thing from the problem.
Lack of a coach with a brain shows.
Fran litteraly does not believe in boxing out. Thats not a joke. He teaches to rebound without boxing out.
I've never seen a team lose so many rebounds that are in their hands and miss so many point blank shots.
This is the third game in a row with a very significant amount of point blank missed shots and rebounds that get stripped.
Im starting to wonder if this is a thing.
This is the third game in a row with a very significant amount of point blank missed shots and rebounds that get stripped.
Im starting to wonder if this is a thing.
Yes, it seems like they will come down with the ball and you think they got it and then poof, they lose it
on their own or let it get stripped. PMAC doesn't even try to go after a rebound for most part
It’s definitely not that, especially this year. Relying heavily on transition offense is a double-edged sword, our guys basically ball watch and hope the ball falls in their laps so they can start the break
Nope, he's running down court as soon as the shots up.
We are obviously bad at rebounding this year. The stats don’t lie. But past Fran teams have not been bad at rebounding. Your post is just based on emotion after a horrible game.
However Fran does need to change something for this years team to get them to prioritize rebounding. I don’t know what that is but it needs to happen fast.
O really?
these players can’t jump
Bohannon
C Mccaffery
P Mccaffery
Rebraca
Sandfort
Ogundele
that’s a problem when trying to rebound.
Yup. I thought about making this thread.
We can complain all we want.
Their rebounding is not gonna get any better. It is what it is under Fran and will continue to be as long as he's here. It's like the zone stretch with Ferentz.
What part specifically?
Yeah I insulted Fran but I always do that.
As far as I understand it Fran does not believe in boxing out because he wants to run.
He teaches his players to just go after the ball rather than put their body on their man. And if you're paying attention thats what they do. They never box out they just go for the ball.
It works ok when you have 7fters and guys like a Tyler Cook.
It should actually work better than it is with how long this team is.
But for whatever reason this team cannot keep their hands on anything.
When our guys do the first thing, the opponent goes by them. The second two things are curse words in the Iowa program. Both genders.
Rebounding is mostly about want-to and toughness.
Iowa looked sluggish obviously.
Is that because ISU has top tier athletes that are way more talented than the Hawkeyes? Or was it because the Hawks were intimidated in the hostile environment and just couldn't move well? Or, was it because they were gassed coming into the game.
I don't know.
Is that because ISU has top tier athletes that are way more talented than the Hawkeyes? Or was it because the Hawks were intimidated in the hostile environment and just couldn't move well? Or, was it because they were gassed coming into the game.
I don't know.
Actually, they have. Not one of Fran's teams has consistently boxed out. Some of his teams have been better at rebounding than others simply due to individual players. But as far as fundamental rebounding skills . . . uh, not even close. And boxing out may be the simplest "technique" in all of sports. It can be taught to sixth graders in 15 minutes. I've done it. When a shot goes up, you DO NOT go after the ball. You find the opponent nearest you and block out. If everyone does that, the ball will fall to the floor where you can simply pick it up (in terms of teaching).
KF doesn't know squat about offense, and he doesn't care. Fran doesn't know squat about rebounding, and although he says it needs to improve, he apparently can't teach that intricate skill, and neither, apparently, can his aged entourage of life-long assistants.
But beyond blocking out, rebounding is pure effort. You have to want the ball more than anyone else. Iowa has seldom shown that kind of effort on the boards, and this year--so far--is no different. Fran should recruit a pure rebounder every year, a Dennis Rodman type whose only purpose in the world is to collect every missed shot ever taken.
But hey, at least women's field hockey made the final four . . . a sport that, BTW, isn't played in Iowa high schools.
Past Fran teams have been either bad at rebounding or very mediocre at it at best. I can no longer stand watching Fran basketball. There's nothing really to appreciate about it.
Iowa had to expend all kinds of energy on the offensive side to get a shot. ISU D just ground them down.
Field Hockey made the Final 8, not Final 4.
Check out the Hawkeye Wrestling Team! They might be good.
Tom Davis's teams were not usually overly athletic, but were still typically good rebounding teams.
I used to coach an undersized team. My best rebounder was about the 5th tallest on the team, but with timing his leap and putting his butt right into the opponent trying to leap over him he figured it out. Got all kinds of over the back calls also. 1 drill I would do is make the players take turns lining up for free throws and I would clang them off the rim or backboard until they figured out how to get physical and box out. It would get heated and intense - it works though. Not sure how fundamentals have left the game - unless of course you watch too much NBA. You have to want the ball like Dennis Rodman used to be.
PMac plays defense like a SG, little interest in rebounding or playing paint defense
Only until you get 1 foul, then you are in serious foul trouble and must play soft
Many times seeing guys touching, tapping or otherwise weakly making contact with the ball but not gripping it with authority.
After the most basic elementary school level skill of boxing out that is high on the list of things they need to work on.
After the most basic elementary school level skill of boxing out that is high on the list of things they need to work on.
Sometimes it's necessary to jump high for a board but with good boxing out technique and a little strength you clear out space and let it come to you.... jumping works great if you time it right and have good hands but good technique is more dependable. But this is a foreign concept to Fran. Greg Brunner and Ryan Bowen were great rebounders and it wasn't because of their leaping ability or athleticism
Yep.... I'd add positioning, anticipation, leg/hip/core strength to drive your man back and hand-eye coordination to hold on to ball. I'd amend want to to have to... It's not optional for good teams like it is with Fran. It's just shitty, lazy coaching based on a broken, all offense and tempo philosophy
You actually know this as a fact? While you're at practice why don't you intervene?
It is not that we can't it's that we haven't so far. It's more about effort and we've been flat in that category when it comes to rebounding. We've given pretty good effort on defense and with the press.
We almost always have three guys that are at least 6'8" and with a wingspan on the floor. These guys do not lack quickness for their size. The Murrays, without question, have above average hops. Teaching to put a body on another player is not that hard. Certainly there are drills for that but the fundamental of screening out is not difficult.
To me, the solution Fran needs to consider, is removing those that don't get after it while on the floor. That is defense and rebounding. He's got 10 players, maybe 11, that seem to be fine to put in. Playing time incentive works. If they understand you can't rebound or play defense from the bench we'll see improvement.
Bruuuuuuuu!
Brunner may have been 6'-5 but was a warrior on the glass!
Strange game from a rebounding standpoint - hardly any contested rebounds. US would shoot and everyone would drop back. They were more afraid of the fast break, I guess.
Agreed, IOWA will owned again by the bigger, stronger, deeper B1G teams….
we saw USU routinely get layups ans dunks with little opposition.
outside of the Murray twins, there is nobody that protects the rim, with the exception of jobo who attempted to defend the rim and got a flagrant.
this team defense as configured is soft…
We just beat a decent 8-3 team, very badly at a neutral site. We outrebounded them by 12. I feel pretty damn good about our victory last night. We still have a shot at the dance and we can compete in the B1G.
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