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What’s the best tactic to attempt to get board “moderates” and MAGAs to vote democrat in the midterms and beyond?

They can still implement some of this stuff behind closed doors, just don't make it the centerpiece of campaigns. It's just not a winning strategy in today's political climate.
That’s what generally happened in the private sector - but everytime something happened that cons didn’t like, they just swept it into that woke/DEI bucket.

The initial definitions for both were relatively innocent and overall positive - I won’t deny that some people took it too far as well.

But cons put those labels on EVERYTHING they didn’t like.
 
I don’t want to be blamed for them being forced to vote for Trump and his enablers anymore. How do we go about steering them away from their OBVIOUS reality and into the left wing fake one?

Do we nicely point out Trump’s lies? Let them figure it out for themselves when everything turns to shit? 🤷🏻‍♂️
And after jo's pardongate in the middle of the night on his way out the door, do you really think you're to flip anyone with a brain or modicum of decency? >

 
I would say that they already have the playbook. They simply need to expand it.

For them, the more Republican voters they can incarcerate, the better. It is going to have to be in the millions though. A few hundred demonstrators going to jail instead of to the polls was a good start, but ultimately this was simply a lame and feeble effort with a lame and feeble outcome. Managing to keep them in jail through the entire election season was definitely a Yeoman's Effort, so we know they have some back-bench talent.

They will need to find better leadership to orchestrate this effort. Someone with the backbone of Lavrenty Beria, Putin, or Sadam Husain. Schiff and Cheney are lightweights compared to that trio.

That Republican base is a cagey and clever crowd. Cheney and Schiff only thought they could fool them and ended up fooling themselves.

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Did anyone notice that Democrats such as Newsome did not go near this issue. There he was sitting a mere 9-10 states away and his advisors failed to enunciate one single version of the Constitution under which he could have inserted himself into the ordeal.

He may have the brains of a Fannis Willis or an Alvin Bragg, but he lacks the heart and the daring of either.

Add this one to the too far gone list.

I think for sure the movement of the R party towards trump and kind of a maga+libertarian+tea party=populist = trump is exciting. new blood out there. for dems they need a new movement. like trump but nobody can be trump. they need to say goodbye to biden and pelosi and harris. and obama. new blood. new movement. move towards liberty. they will never do it because they shifted so far left, they have really become the new socialist-communists. they need a new name and new party.

And this one.
 
OiT I keep around for amusements sake. Similar to Nat managing to blame the USA for everything, OIT has a conspiracy for every situation.
plus I think you and I have had some fairly reasonable conversaions. moral and I have as well. look, the op asked what I thought might work to get maga people to vote dem. I think that stuff I mentioned might work. I dunno. it worked for trump.
 
Oh, no doubt. He's a classic.
we need to get a beer sometime. came close at the michigan game ten years ago. this darn band marched by me at the exact time we were texting, the spoof band that makes fun of michigan fight song -distracted me. that crap is funny
 
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we need to get a beer sometime. came close at the michigan game ten years ago. this darn band marched by me at the exact time we were texting, the spoof band that makes fun of michigan fight song -distracted me. that crap is funny

I would have to watch you drink. I'm as sober as a fox.
 
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oh crap moral it wasn't you at the michigan football game it was millah - my bad. started with an "M" - the story is still cool though. he and I were texting gonna meet up. my mom was with me. she since has passed. she would have loved and mean loved CC22, she was such a hawk basketball fan. this band goes around the games made up fans. marching around. it was great. distracted me away from millah.
 
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plus I think you and I have had some fairly reasonable conversaions. moral and I have as well. look, the op asked what I thought might work to get maga people to vote dem. I think that stuff I mentioned might work. I dunno. it worked for trump.
For the most part, I can at least tolerate most people as long as they avoid the personal attacks.
I should do it. the sober thing - I been going too strong lately
Idk, I might need to rethink my handle for the next four years…
 
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I think for sure the movement of the R party towards trump and kind of a maga+libertarian+tea party=populist = trump is exciting. new blood out there. for dems they need a new movement. like trump but nobody can be trump. they need to say goodbye to biden and pelosi and harris. and obama. new blood. new movement. move towards liberty. they will never do it because they shifted so far left, they have really become the new socialist-communists. they need a new name and new party.
I actually think you're kinda on to something here. They definitely need new blood, new movement, new motivation. I don't think it will happen, not because they have moved "so far left" but because the old-guard dem are simply too comfortable and don't want it to happen. Bought and paid for everybit as much as MAGA politicians. Not to mention the people that should be aligned with the dems in leading a new movement are the very people maga have recruited. Politicians have done a masterful job turning us all against each other when we mostly all want the same things.
 
Step 1: drop the woke/DEI stuff and focus on stuff that actually matters to the majority of Americans.

Step 2: nominate a very straight, very white male to the top of the ticket in 2028.

Dems have swung and missed twice on female candidates. Can't afford to miss again.
You do realize that woke came from black culture decades ago, I assume. That and dei are just used by racists in the Republican Party to rile up their white voters. Same as “deep state.” is used as a scary term. Democrats haven’t ran on wokeness. It’s the democrats being put on defense again. Constantly on the defensive.
 
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I actually think you're kinda on to something here. They definitely need new blood, new movement, new motivation. I don't think it will happen, not because they have moved "so far left" but because the old-guard dem are simply too comfortable and don't want it to happen. Bought and paid for everybit as much as MAGA politicians. Not to mention the people that should be aligned with the dems in leading a new movement are the very people maga have recruited. Politicians have done a masterful job turning us all against each other when we mostly all want the same things.
I agree. I just remember an old guard with mccain and dole and bushes and stuff with the R's, remember thinking they needed to get away from that. back then I recall thinking that.... and that was like 25-30 years ago.
 
OiT I keep around for amusements sake. Similar to Nat managing to blame the USA for everything, OIT has a conspiracy for every situation.
OiT was my first on ignore over a decade ago when he brought batshit into every thread for a 2 week period.
 
keep in mind what we are seeing now with marco rubio and pete hegseth and JD vance and so on- is a new younger movement. you guys can hate them all you like- but they are somewhat younger. dems need new fresh faces. when trump is done, the R party has a deep bench
 
Stop supporting ending innocent human life and you've got my vote.
there may be some old school pro life dems out there, and some pro choice R's...but I think this last election showed that this one issue wasn't everything. it is something for sure, but not everything.
 
1. First do no harm. Don't screw up the inherent advantages associated with being a party out of power in a midterm election.
2. Give him enough rope to hang himself while you keep your powder dry. I think the D's might actually be learning that all-encompassing, permanent resistance is a strategy that (i) gets tedious pretty quickly, (ii) plays into the binary team/parliamentary tactics that americans have actually come to hate about politics such that people start to wonder whether the other side "might" be right about at least "something", and (iii) eventually generates sympathy for the guy who can say he didn't actually get his chance to govern. Conversely, stupidity - like truth and running water -- eventually finds its way into the public eye. Note the tough part about this principle is, like everything else in life, timing.
3. One size does not fit all. All politics is local, unless it isn't. So start with the right presumption, but let local candidates do their thing strategically.
4. Recognize, early and often, that both equality AND liberty are American values. Eventually, the R's obsession with liberty will blow up in their face because they increasingly don't.
5. Longer term, you better do something within the states that you control before reapportionment and redistricting make it next to impossible to prevail.

 
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I don’t want to be blamed for them being forced to vote for Trump and his enablers anymore. How do we go about steering them away from their OBVIOUS reality and into the left wing fake one?

Do we nicely point out Trump’s lies? Let them figure it out for themselves when everything turns to shit? 🤷🏻‍♂️

You could start by not telling millions of voters that you are stupid which is what happened.

Nobody likes being talked down to.
 
None of the far-left posters on here were willing to admit Kamala was an awful candidate, severe lack of awareness and denial is what put Trump in office again. Half of the Republicans I know don't even like Trump but they voted for him as the "better option". Until I see any true reflection and accountability of that by the Left I predict they will struggle with the same thing in 2028.
 
You could start by not telling millions of voters that you are stupid which is what happened.

Nobody likes being talked down to.

True, people don't like being talked down to.

However, it seems to work for MAGA. So once again we want the burden to be on Democrats to be the standard bearer.

Hypocrisy GIF
 
None of the far-left posters on here were willing to admit Kamala was an awful candidate, severe lack of awareness and denial is what put Trump in office again. Until I see any true reflection and accountability of that by the Left I predict they will struggle with the same thing in 2028.

Kamala was a terrible candidate. Clearly, not many people were pumped about her as she didn't get elected, and it almost felt like there was no energy on the left. It is fair to say Biden absolutely screwed the Democrats not being a one term president. Kamala would have once again some poorly in the primaries.

I'm an actual far left poster. A good portion of the liberals here look moderate as hell to me.
 
I don’t want to be blamed for them being forced to vote for Trump and his enablers anymore. How do we go about steering them away from their OBVIOUS reality and into the left wing fake one?

Do we nicely point out Trump’s lies? Let them figure it out for themselves when everything turns to shit? 🤷🏻‍♂️
If you would even be a Clinton era Democrat you would get moderate support, and shelve the identity politics.

The Dems embraced the far left, and that's why they lost. Trump is NOT that hard to beat, but he talked about things that mattered.

Top 3 reasons people voted for Kamala:
1. She's a woman of color
2. She's not Trump
3. Abortion rights (this impacts very few people)

Those aren't attractive reasons for moderates to vote.

Border and Trump economy vs. Biden economy (specifically inflation) were the top reasons people voted Trump. Those are tangible things people can embrace.
 
I don’t want to be blamed for them being forced to vote for Trump and his enablers anymore. How do we go about steering them away from their OBVIOUS reality and into the left wing fake one?

Do we nicely point out Trump’s lies? Let them figure it out for themselves when everything turns to shit? 🤷🏻‍♂️
Nominate a straight white man.
 
If you would even be a Clinton era Democrat you would get moderate support, and shelve the identity politics.

The Dems embraced the far left, and that's why they lost. Trump is NOT that hard to beat, but he talked about things that mattered.

Top 3 reasons people voted for Kamala:
1. She's a woman of color
2. She's not Trump
3. Abortion rights (this impacts very few people)

Those aren't attractive reasons for moderates to vote.

Border and Trump economy vs. Biden economy (specifically inflation) were the top reasons people voted Trump. Those are tangible things people can embrace.
I do think you highlight another important point. A coalition of microtargeted subpopulations is no match for an appeal to the median, and never will be.
 
You could start by not telling millions of voters that you are stupid which is what happened.

Nobody likes being talked down to.
Something to this too.

In a related vein, i think the 'oligarchs' line is going to be short lived (to the extent that it's lived at all). One difference between right wing stupid poor people and left wing stupid poor people is that those on the right will react to threats to their theoretical opportunity to become a stupid rich person, where as those on the left just want the oligarch's money.
 
If you would even be a Clinton era Democrat you would get moderate support, and shelve the identity politics.

The Dems embraced the far left, and that's why they lost. Trump is NOT that hard to beat, but he talked about things that mattered.

Top 3 reasons people voted for Kamala:
1. She's a woman of color
2. She's not Trump
3. Abortion rights (this impacts very few people)

Those aren't attractive reasons for moderates to vote.

Border and Trump economy vs. Biden economy (specifically inflation) were the top reasons people voted Trump. Those are tangible things people can embrace.

Clinton era Democrats aka third way Democrats aka neoliberals are still around and those terms apply to Biden and Harris. Also known as the establishment on the left. They were a bridge between Republicans and Democrats. Mostly known for their American version of economics that is the American version of "free market" capitalism. They are actually fairly ineffective with social changes. People like Mitt Romney have a lot of overlap with neoliberals.
 
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The answer is very obvious. The Democrat post-mortems have actually been extremely well considered, the best I've seen after any losing party in many, many years. The blueprint is obvious.

1. Stop demanding orthodoxy on incredibly unpopular positions.

The Democrats have narrowed the tent incredibly, including demanding fealty to some extremely unpopular ideas. There is no way around the fact that these issues are big time losers with anyone but graduate degree holding white liberal women:
- Gender ideology institutionalizing something other than M/F
- "gender affirming" care for minors & biological males in womens' sports
- Lax enforcement of the border, increased illegal immigration, increased migrants, health care for illegals, etc
- Reduced policing or enforcement and social justice focused approaches to crime/public chaos
- DEI extremes - that America is fundamentally white supremacist, all white people are racist, microagressions, etc

Bottom line is that most people, including poor and working class...hate all that stuff. It's extraordinarily unpopular, it's a massive shift left from literally as recent as Obama, and there is just no political gain.

And the biggest thing is that it's not like the Democrats have to become anti-trans, or border hawks. They simply have to make these issues ones that Democrats can agree to disagree on. AOC can stan illegal migrants while Eric Adams pushes for more border enforcement. The most liberal voices from safe districts can call for childhood sex changes, while Latino reps can be against boys in girls' sports. These are non-winning issues, these are issues that bring zero additional votes to the table. Making them fundamental to being a Democrat (and allowing Republicans to paint them as such) is political malpractice.

Simply look at the 2020 debates when every Democratic contender raised their hand to provide health care to illegal immigrants. That is insanity, and that is born of the crazy gatekeeping around unpopular positions.

While the Democrats have been gatekeeping, Trump has broken down almost all the policy obstacles to being a Trump voter. Pro-choice, lgbt, conspiracy theorist, democrat, socially liberal...anybody is welcome in the Trump coalition who will kiss Trump's butt. I don't personally think that's much of a way to run a party, but it's opened the party way up, to everything from macho Latinos, crypto bros, weirdo health nuts, etc.

2. Exhibit better governing in Democratic controlled places

Democrats simply have to be able to point to the places they control as exemplars of excellent governing. Instead, too many are shining lights of public disorder, housing shortages, homelessness, inability to execute basic municipal tasks, failure to build public works, etc.

Liberals can talk all they want about the paradise of California and Oregon vs the hell holes of Florida and Texas...but the general public just isn't buying it. Shit isn't being built in Democratic areas, public disorder is up, there's no housing for the middle or working class. Nobody who isn't already a committed progressive looks at any place in California and says "Sign me up for some of that." It's great if that is what liberal Californians want, but nobody can win nationally promising to do for their state what they've done for San Francisco. The bottom line is the suburbs of Dallas, Jacksonville, Atlanta, etc look way, way more appealing the the vast majority of people than San Francisco or Portland. And those red-leaning places are building and building, attracting business, and continuing to add electoral votes.

Democrats can make the places they control excellent and affordable places to live again, and run on that.
 
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Kamala was a terrible candidate. Clearly, not many people were pumped about her as she didn't get elected, and it almost felt like there was no energy on the left. It is fair to say Biden absolutely screwed the Democrats not being a one term president. Kamala would have once again some poorly in the primaries.

I'm an actual far left poster. A good portion of the liberals here look moderate as hell to me.
You're kidding yourself if you think people weren't pumped when Harris was installed after the internal coup the Democrat party pulled off. Hell, how many threads were started about the excitement of Harris, her ability to raise millions of dollars out of the gate, the fact that she wasn't Ol' Joe? I know this is a small sample size in HawkBacon, but still, the MSM was sure as hell excited and pumping Harris.

For the left to be successful IMO, they need to tone down the rhetoric; MAGA/GOP is racist, homophobic, misogynistic, <insert -ism,- ic identifier> and start listening to what people are talking about like inflation, the border, taxes and address those things.
 
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