What’s the best tactic to attempt to get board “moderates” and MAGAs to vote democrat in the midterms and beyond?
- Thread starter Tom Paris
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Agree completely. I’m not a democrat, and honestly I could have been turned this past election.
Two things made me stick with the Republican candidate.
1 - Celebrities lecturing me about who to vote for. Constant condescending talk from the Democratic Party. I would add people on here being holier than thou. I suppose that’s just me being stubborn.
2 - The VP who was ‘chosen’ to be the candidate after Biden dropped out. She did nothing to win me over. I had no idea what she actually stood for.
Now I suppose I will take the wrath of the Dems on here about how stupid, ignorant, uneducated and uninformed I am. Which would probably cause me to continue to vote Republican.
A question for this group. When you say “the uneducated” are who Trump loves, or who loves Trump. What do you mean by that? What is “uneducated” to you.
Honestly I think the Dem party had some solid policies. I would not criticize the party or those who vote Dem, Libertarian or whatever.
First off, stop attacking the person running and focus on issues. Listen to what the blue collar workers are asking for.
Stop being scumbags like Biden and the 11th hour pardons. No matter what you think, that was a BS move. Not only that, it made everyone look guilty. Frankly it pissed me off and not sure I will vote Dem in the near future because of it. Slimiest shit I've ever seen.
People aren't stupid, if you feed them a shit sandwich, don't tell them it's delicious. The economy was good for a few people, but the everyday person, they were struggling.
Americans overwhelmingly want a better border. Every poll shows it. As politicians, the voters are your employers.
Listen to the voters. Listen to the voters. Listen to the voters.
The Dems would have won this last election if they'd stop putting far left people in and listened to the voters.
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What's your argument here? That when hoisted upon us we should have been downtrotten?
Then you gave me right wing things to focus on. They should probably focus on how rapacious the for profit middle man is on health insurance, how it is the number one cause of bankruptcy, how health insurance is essentially a private tax and Americans pay around double for healthcare with worse results. They should actually make it a thing to legalize cannabis. Actually address and try to go after usury, and just show the awful examples of it. I could go on. They should focus on how bad our workers rights are.
Biden was going to put an end to non-competes but a right wing judge killed it, they should point that out ad nauseum. They were really awful at highlighting any wins like the CHIPS act and really terrible at pointing out how awful Republicans are for workers.
Another problem is that if Kamala had campaigned on the CHIPS Act which is trying to bring some chip manufacturing to the US which I consider to be a national security issue, it would fall on dead years because it's easier to be outraged in a bubble.
We just ran one in 2024. She got her ass kicked.
He should ask Trump. He said it. Though one can google his question and find who voted for whom based on the amount of education they have.
I was more curious as to what people on this board mean when they are referring to the uneducated Mr Paris. Does being uneducated mean one is ignorant/stupid?
I do agree that the Republicans do their fair things of talking down to people or ridiculing people as has been mentioned.
There is a lot of negative things on both sides in that respect.
I actually have started to enjoy following Fetterman and his thoughts
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Kamala was no Manchin. She voted as one of the most liberal Senators of all time.
To be fair the votes that stacked her record came from a period when Democrats had the Senate but nothing else so there were some bills that weren't going to go anywhere. I assume they were hoping to be like "I voted for whatever random bill."
During the campaign she came to the right on immigration, and didn't say much about about some of the hot topic items like say trans rights. It certainly was not a focus.
Politics, amirite?
If Trump does well they will vote Repub. If he does crappy they will drop the Repubs by the midterms like what happened in 2018. People may forget that the 2018 US House elections was one of the biggest turnaround wipeouts in US history. People had seen the dumster and Repub controlled Congress getting nothing done but lying.
So lots of voters voted them out and voted trump out in 2020.
Like many today, she went where the donations came from. They say one thing and do the other. Reps have been doing for years also.
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My God, Tom. Lay off the left wing media once in awhile. You think Biden has been Honest Abe the last 4 years?
A lot of that 2018, was because of the Single Payer Act. McCain was the one who broke Trump's campaign promise. Second the Dems promised to impeach. With all the lies about Russia in the news, many people thought it was true. Only to find out it was made up.
She went to the right on immigration, stopped talking about going after companies price gouging, decided to become pro fracking, back peddled from Medicare for All, dismissed what was going on in Gaza, campaigned with the Cheneys, promised to have a Republican in her cabinet... etc, etc.
But for some reason people like to pretend her voting record from 4+ years ago is more reflective of her campaign in 2024 than her actual positions in 2024 are.
We are such a divided country now. The Dems had control of the Presidency 12 of the last 16 years. And yet they blame the Republicans. Just so hateful and from what I read on here Tom is the leader of hate! But there will be no changing his mind no way no how!
This dates back to trumps first run for president and he talked about how he “loved the poorly educated”
Polling since then has indicated he gets the backbone of his support from people who didn’t get college degrees.
They’re on defense because their offense is nothing more than superlative, end of the world, chicken little nonsense…every time. The other big piece is taking for granted and patronizing much of their base by gaslighting them, telling them the troubles they’re having under a Dem President is only in their imagination.
Then when that gets pointed out and they have nothing left, they go with the “Hitler, misogynist, racist, etc.” chapter of the playbook.
That was the exact three stages of Kamala’s campaign.
I don't think any of that is right. I think those are your perception and feelings. So much of your politics appear to be "they said the thing that is supposed to make me angry" or "they won't say the thing we want them to say."
And I think we can point out Nazis if we wanna. Especially with people on your side claiming this is just sending out good heart vibes.
Thanks Sober, I appreciate your answer.
I was interested in who people on here view as the uneducated as well.
None of that is right. I ****ing hate them all. None of them have done anything since Obama/ Romney to actually try to earn someone’s vote.I don't think any of that is right. I think those are your perception and feelings. So much of your politics appear to be "they said the thing that is supposed to make me angry" or "they won't say the thing we want them to say."
And I think we can point out Nazis if we wanna. Especially with people on your side claiming this is just sending out good heart vibes.
Hillary lost because she never went to Michigan or Wisconsin because those union folks were just supposed to vote for her for some reason. She and much of the Dem party has abandoned their blue collar base for identity politics and they haven’t been able to earn their votes back.
Union carpenters don’t give a shit about “the end of democracy”. And when they say it’s tough making ends meet, Dems tell them “well in reality the economy is doing very well.” Dems give them zero reason to vote FOR them.
Their messaging on inflation was terrible, and certainly opened up the way for some sound bits. I was in stores so I get it, it's brutal compared to pre-COVID. The Democrats did put messaging out about the price gouging going on, and it was probably collusion involved too, but it didn't stick even though it was true. Biden was too enfeebled to even properly soapbox about it.
In my opinion Hillary lost because she was pretty unlikeable to large groups of people and also was a status quo candidate. Well that and they certainly worked to keep Bernie as under wraps as possible. That created really apathetic voters. Although she did win the popular vote, a real moral victory.
Meanwhile Trump was a change candidate, that people for some reason thought he cared about them. I recall tons of people with the sentiment of shaking it up because he wasn't a politician. They also built a behemoth of online communities for right wingers of all varieties, they have more grassroots type movement online because of it as well as alternate realities.
The Democrats since then have taken 0.0 lessons from that. I'm not confident they will take any in the next 4 years either unless a leader emerges. I hope that they don't think that because Trump will most likely screw shit up all to hell that they can just work in an establishment candidate again in 2028. I bet they try though.
The GOP is done, dead and a joke.
I wasted so much time with that guy, like yelling at a wall.
There is zero comparison in honesty between Trump and anyone else.
No one will argue Biden has been perfect the past 4 years. On his worst day he's 10x as honest as Trump on his best.
I mostly agree. However I'd argue that Dems abandoned their blue collar base for corporate interests and the weathliest 10% rather than identity politics.
Bernie is a "woke" politician when it comes to social issues and he still garnered a lot of blue collar support because he also campaigned on progressive populist ideas that would help the average blue collar person.
Does this mean you don't think Democracy Died™ when Trump was elected?
Frontal lobotomies would be the best way to get anyone to vote for dems.
