The status quo is the compromise. But that’s not acceptable to the right. They don’t want the issue settled, they want the controversy because abortion drives a significant number of their base.
What is the middle ground on - abortion
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Well, I am a male first off. You should educate yourself on power structures, what do we need to fix? It's pretty easy, the government should not be able to tell a woman what to do with her body.
I get your stance but it also seems like the woman is being told you are going to have that kid as a punishment for poor decision making which isn’t a good situation either.
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Better sex education and support for children who are born would be a start. Easy access to birth control would be a bonus. If you don’t have unwanted pregnancies you have far fewer women seeking out abortion.
You’d be shocked how many pregnant women don’t understand the biology of how they get pregnant. Abstinence only sex education is a joke. I had a patient (mid-20s) in medical school who thought her baby would be born out her butthole and was totally shocked when told it was coming out her vagina. We don’t expect parents to teach their children about math and science. Why do we rely on them for sexual education? Especially when most parents don’t fully understand reproduction.
You’d be shocked how many pregnant women don’t understand the biology of how they get pregnant. Abstinence only sex education is a joke. I had a patient (mid-20s) in medical school who thought her baby would be born out her butthole and was totally shocked when told it was coming out her vagina. We don’t expect parents to teach their children about math and science. Why do we rely on them for sexual education? Especially when most parents don’t fully understand reproduction.
Death penalty I support in certain instances, but obviously we want zero doubt that is the responsible Individual.
I'm indifferent on IVF.
This is 100% correct. One of our pregnant medical assistants in our office pointed to the bladder on a model and said that was were her baby was coming from.
That's what the "pro-lifers" don't understand. There's a big difference between being pro-birth and "pro-life."
What do other animals do with unwanted babies? What makes human life so special?
In all seriousness, there is no middle ground. Abortion is either murder or it isn’t. I get most annoyed when people make exceptions for rape or if the child will have health complications (since we don’t do that for youth handicapped later in “life”). If you want to draw a line on a time limit I’m probably ok with that
I don’t believe it’s murder and should be legal, but would never be involved in one
In all seriousness, there is no middle ground. Abortion is either murder or it isn’t. I get most annoyed when people make exceptions for rape or if the child will have health complications (since we don’t do that for youth handicapped later in “life”). If you want to draw a line on a time limit I’m probably ok with that
I don’t believe it’s murder and should be legal, but would never be involved in one
If you don't have at least 2 adopted kids living with you, then you shouldn't be telling people they have to create govt slaves....
Exceptions that would seldom if ever come into play....rape and incest....how often? Seldom if ever.....
What about the ol’ prom night, couple of drinks...and the prom dress is on the floor scenario? What about the teenagers who se birth control is withdrawal...”Sory I was late...but just a little got in there!” I think most 16 year olds need to be raising babies...and single moms not receiving any financial support...well, is that a recipe for child success or what?
Why are you afraid to give an answer?
He taps out once you ask about IVF and the death penalty.
Playing 20 questions with you guys is an exercise in futility. Especially the "church elder". I did, however, already answer your death penalty question in another thread.
I don't have any inconsistencies. I also am not going to answer every silly, meaningless, or gotcha question thrown my way. I'm typically engaged in more one on one interactions on here than anyone else because I have polarizing viewpoints that trigger so many people. That's fine, but I'm not going to run around chasing my tail answering the same questions over and over to assuage someone else's feelings.
That fact that you can't process those inconsistencies tells me and the world all we need to know.
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No. You're just a coward who asks others to answer tough questions that you're unwilling to.
In summation, there is no middle ground on the issue of abortion. One side views abortion, in any form, as morally unacceptable. The other side ranges from the allowance of unfettered abortion to abortion in most, or at least some, cases. These two positions are irreconcilable.
Maybe overturning Roe v Wade is the compromise. Allow states to decide their rules and people choose where to live.
That's the closest I'd be willing to go. I think it's a repugnant practice, but I also believe in the federalist system and governmental control closest to the source (we the people) as possible. Also, the fact that it took this long for someone to bring up this possible solution is very telling. So many on here look to the government to be the hammer that pounds dissenters into oblivion.
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The only science involved in the subject of abortion is that a human life is ended.
And to date.....how many "human lives" have been terminated? I bet my guess of ZERO is closer to the fact than whatever your guess is. Until a "birth date" is officially changed to a conception date bill, you have no leg to stand upon. Unless you are claiming yourself to being morally/ethically superior to many of us....and that is purely a subjective argument.
What would keep someone from crossing a state border to a legal state and have the abortion there?
Ah....but the rub here is most women are not only citizens of a state...they are citizens of this nation......and therefore they have rights, regardless of where the legally reside. This nation fought a civil war 150 years ago....partially over this very issue....and the side defending "state's rights" lost the war.....
If Congress and the courts make it a law that life begins at conception then your argument becomes invalid.
The morning after pill. Fertilized egg cannot implant and grow. You are not destroying a fetus/zygote/whatever as it is more akin to not performing life saving measures.
Agreed. And any such law should be overturned. I'm just suggesting that would be the remedy by non-abortion states.
An argument can be made that implantation is the start of the human life cycle. That would answer questions regarding IVF and certain birth control methods.
My opinion has been that abortion should be illegal EXCEPT in the case of rape or incest. And just to stop lame cries of such, a police report must be filed stating that it happened.
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