They split it into quarters based on seeds by ranking. 1,8,9; 4,5,12; 3,6,11; 2,7,10. Iowa gets the easy quarter by way of being the best team.
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Where can I find the schedule/match-ups for the Duals in Florida?
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I'm going by myself, family is all doing Christmas things and my son won't be in town until the 23rd.
Wouldn't mind meeting and watching the meet with fellow Hawk fans.
Anyone going?
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Bad question.
Wouldn’t it feel better to let it all out and tell us what you’re thinking, something tells me you already have “all the answers.”
Going to be sweet guys, look how small this venue is.
Oregon and Princeton (and UT-Chattanooga, etc) are scheduled so that it increases the visibility of the team and program in those regions.
We get 15 competition dates a year. Midlands and whatever iteration of National Duals is going on counts as 2 each, ISU 1, OSU 1, plus 7 Big Ten duals. That’s 13 dates. If we scheduled UNI every year we would only be able to wrestle one ‘non traditional opponent’ each year.
Wrestling UNI offers very little in return to Iowa while providing a huge boost to them.
Oregon State or Princeton offers what over UNI?
Iowa could be like many other schools and wrestle both Oregon State (Army) and UNI or Princeton and UNI on the same date.
This seems more like retribution than a scheduling issue.
even if it is about helping UNI more than Iowa, isn’t that “Anyone - Anywhere”?
it’s hard to put out the challenge that you will wrestle anyone anywhere and the continue to avoid a school that is as equally competitive than half the teams on the schedule.
Gable always wrestled UNI.
Not saying they have to, but it would be better for the state of Iowa if they did.
"Continue to avoid"? Uuummmm, no.
I agree they should wrestle UNI, but not on their terms. The Big Dogs determine the where and when, that's how the real world operates.
Iowa doesn't play Drake and UNI in Basketball every year anymore either (don't believe ISU does either) and I think they should, but nobody asked me.
I don't know all the particulars, but I thought PERHAPS one of them was UNI wanting to wrestle in the West Gym as opposed to the UNI Dome. They want to suppress Iowa fans showing up in droves, which is the same thing Minnesota does for multiple sports, they just have a different way of going about it and Iowa has to go to Minny so.........(remember Kinnick North?).
I would love to see us wrestle UNI again, but I don't mind boycotting if they are going to keep their home meets in the West Gym. They are doing it to keep Iowa Fans from outnumbering their fans, plain and simple. You can feed me all the hogwash you want about history and cost-savings, but it boils down to them not wanting to be outnumbered in a home meet. They have a decent facility in the McLeod Center, as well as the UNIdome (which probably does cost more to open, but could seat a LOT more people). The West Gym was outdated in the '70s when I was there. We held our meets in the UNIdome back then (when we were still DII). The West Gym has had some updates, but it's still a dump compared with what is available there. I got jumped by several fans and Schwab's wife (or daughter?) for saying this on a UNI Wrestling Facebook post, but it is the truth.
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We owe our little brothers nothing, wrestling either of them benefits us in no way.
I'm sure if we could, we wouldn't wrestle Iowa State either.
I'm sure if we could, we wouldn't wrestle Iowa State either.
Pat, UNI wrestles both ISU and Wisconsin at the McLeod Center - so I would hardly say that would be DIFFERENT. Whats the point of hosting the biggest drawing team in the nation if you're going to force them to wrestle in front of 2,000 fans
Re-read the first sentence of the post you responded to for the answer to your first question.
When we schedule schools like Army, Princeton, etc the agreement is for a home and home series across two years. If we introduce a triangular that arrangement becomes untenable UNLESS you want to have one less dual in Carver every year (which would lead to a significant amount of lost revenue).
Again, we can't wrestle anyone anywhere with the limitations put on scheduling. Cornell thinks they should wrestle us every year. Princeton probably does too. Same with a dozen other programs.
Once Northern Iowa is competitive with us maybe then it will be worth a look but frankly they aren't and don't appear to be getting any closer.
And Gable did not always wrestle UNI. Why lie about something so easily debunked?
I'm not trying to argue with you because I agree with most of what you're saying, but Iowa did wrestle UNI every year that Gable was coach, and it started before his reign. They wrestled several years in the '30s, then started up again in the '70-'71 season. Throughout most of the Gable years, they wrestled at the UNIdome. Briggs moved the duals back to the West Gym most years, then when the McLeod Center was built they moved into it for a few years (at least the Iowa meets), then after Scwabby took over they moved it back to the West Gym for the reason I stated in my other post. I missed that it got moved and took 7 people to the meet without tickets (because at the McLeod Center it had not been sold out) only to find we couldn't get in. Then we couldn't get KXIC on the radio until halfway back to IC, so we missed a significant portion of the meet, as did a lot of other unsuspecting Iowa fans. The next year, the series ended. I don't know if that was why, but I always suspected it was.
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Have Iowa and UNI competed against each other in a dual format? When was the last time, where was it. If you can’t present a compelling argument don’t expect me to make one for you. So far you’re a barking dog.
Completely forgot about the McLeod Center. My bad on that. FWIW I do want UNI to do well in any sport where they aren't facing Iowa.
Go Panthers! 🙂
So do I. I always root for them against anyone but a Hawkeye. I went there to wrestle back in the day, but my time there got cut short. VERY long story. Chuck Patten was a great guy!
I can't speak to every year but before I made that claim I checked the last year Gable was coach and they did not wrestle. So maybe they wrestled frequently but always has a pretty strict definition. I was actually at the last UNI dual in McCleod.
I would also be curious to know how many dates were allowed to be on the schedule when they did meet most years back in the day.
And I checked every year BUT '96-'97 before I posted to make sure I didn't misremember (which happens too often these days). It looks like they took three seasons off from that season until '99-2000. I didn't remember that. Looks like the series ended after '11-'12. I think it was '10-'11 when they moved it back to the West Gym last.
I don't remember the rule on dates, but they had as many as 24 Duals in a season, but some of those were four in one day (Iowa Duals).
See my last two posts above for that info. I don't know what KG claimed, because I've had him on ignore since his third post. I wish the Iowa-hating trolls would stay on their own boards.
the reason has nothing to do with venue. i mean, it's an interesting theory but not the reason.
I wonder if it has anything to do with Tom and Dougs relationship. When Thomas Gilman set the bridge on fire from seemingly out of nowhere it appeared oddly personal.
One other thing to note, the west gym has been 33% condemned…
mad in they no longer can use the balcony level seats.
It looks like the McLeod Center will be the future home for the Panthers.
The west gym was a great place to wrestle. The NCAA tournament was held there and a stout Northern Iowa team (ISTC)
If they wanted to make it happen they could. Iowa will always have some non conference home duals and could coordinate with UNI.
Heck, they could work with Rokfin and make sure UNI and Iowa are always in the same pool thus ensuring they wrestle every year and neither team loses a home date!
That was easy!!!
Though sometimes things that should be easy never are!
mad in they no longer can use the balcony level seats.
It looks like the McLeod Center will be the future home for the Panthers.
The west gym was a great place to wrestle. The NCAA tournament was held there and a stout Northern Iowa team (ISTC)
If they wanted to make it happen they could. Iowa will always have some non conference home duals and could coordinate with UNI.
Heck, they could work with Rokfin and make sure UNI and Iowa are always in the same pool thus ensuring they wrestle every year and neither team loses a home date!
That was easy!!!
Though sometimes things that should be easy never are!
If you know the real reason, please do share, because I know there are thousands of people that would like to know.
EDIT; Or maybe I'm the only one who doesn't know?
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Recruiting a kid from multiple states away is easier when you can tell the parents that they’ll be able to see their son wrestle.
I doubt it’s a coincidence that there is one on the East coast, one on the west coast and one to the south.
6 hour drive up from St Cloud, FL Sunday. Staying in Destin 2 nights. Driving back after last Tuesday dual. Up Wed morning to grab rental car, load up dog and suitcase. 20 hr drive to Iowa for Christmas with family. Will be first time seeing iowa wrestle in person since the Brands' and Steiners and company were in singlets.
This is in no way accurate. Each team gets 16 competition dates a year, of which the Collegiate Wrestling Duals and Midlands each count as one (two sets of either two duals, or one tournament, including team-advancement tournament, in a three-day period count as one date per year). In fact, Iowa is only using 15 of their 16 dates, and #15 was only utilized when they decided to wrestle attached at the Luther Open. (also, there are eight Big Ten duals, not seven, per team for this season...and that's actually a reduction from past years, when it used to be nine)
Hey look for me. I'll be the grey haired guy in a Hawkeye shirt.
Hey smalls, based on whose rankings and on which ranking date? There are different rankings for teams based on whether the team is competing in a dual meet, or team score being kept in a tournament. At least Intermat does, not sure about others? I am just trying to figure out how these seedings came to fruition
This will be a good tournament. However, I was really looking forward to seeing the Hawks against top tier competition. Hopefully Rofkin evaluates the tournament and the processes used from the inception of the idea, to make this event mirror the old National Duals held at UNI years back. I believe this was the goal at Rofkin, in the beginning?
Did you watch the Iowa Wrestling press conference from earlier in the week?
Rokfin had called Brands and asked if he would be interested in bringing Iowa into a dual meet event, and Tom said “We’re in!”
The Rokfin got a bunch more teams and it must have appeared like what was at UNI and decided to call it the “Rokfin National Duals”.
Tom called back and said, “We’re out!”
Iowa must not have been alone, because the changed the format and name… Now it’s called “The Collegiate Wrestling Duals”
Tom calked back and said “We’re back in!”
In the press conference he eluded to the fact that a National Dual event had been tried before, and it was voted down and we should in effect move on and away from it.
if there ever is a “National Dual” even that is not sponsored by the NCAA and is by invitation, I would not expect Iowa to accept (at least as long as a Brands is the coach).
ok I’m signed in, is there an actual schedule for this thing ? All I see is it starts at 10am est
SIAP, but if I wanted to watch this its basically $20 for the PPV on Rokfin, right? (including the 1 month sub?)
