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What we have had enough time to establish (11 games) is that performance is not normal.
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Not enough time for stats to be relevant.
What we have had enough time to establish (11 games) is that performance is not normal.
And noteworthy for me was that he didn’t sulk. He was a good teammate on the bench. It will be interesting to see what kind of mentorship relationship JBo develops with Joe T.
There is something really good going on—everybody really fights for each other.
Also want to mention that Pemsl played well overall. Something to build on for him.
It was most definetly in his head, but after the first two turnovers he only played like 45 seconds, so don't know how many times he was tentative or forcing it. I totally agree with Fran pulling Joe T. I'm sure others may not agree, but still think he's trying too hard to put on a show, and not getting in the flow of the game with his team mates. Even a fantastic pass can be a turnover if you're not in sync with your team mates and at this juncture he just isn't. Yes, he needs to see the floor, but at this point BE seems to be a better fit to start, and spot Joe T in. If he gets in the flow, then extend his minutes accordingly. Luckily we have Connor and CJF to take some of the load off handling the ball until Joe T can hopefully settle in.
I agree he needs to keep playing, and work this out. Just think he is pressing too hard to make the big play, and he needs to get in sync with his team mates. As to Fran pulling him, its his job to find a way to win these games, and I think he did what he needed to do to accomplish that.
I think you continue to start Joe T. Any show of any loss in confidence in him by staff seems likely to result in Joe pressing even more.
No question. Keep throwing him to the wolves. He’ll figure it out
I think so. Imagine having 9 days, or however many it was, to think about your first start, trying to fill the hole left by JBo—for a kid clearly chomping at the bit big time to begin with.
Joe just needs to give himself a good fapping prior to tip-off.
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Think it was more due to 3 fouls early in 2nd half then anything. He almost threw it away himself right before that too...
I always worry about that first game coming off finals. Add to that, travel and playing on a neutral court. I’ll take the W.
I want to praise Garza for his handling of double & triple teaming, rebounding & 5 blocks while staying out of foul trouble. Garza affects the game even when they jam up his offense. That’s a winner.
In addition, his footwork & posting skills make him a good screener & teammate underneath the basket. Ask Bakari.
In addition, his footwork & posting skills make him a good screener & teammate underneath the basket. Ask Bakari.
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Last night's Joe T PT is easily explained. Joe T played poorly and Bakari played really well.
Letting Joe T start the game on the bench to kind of calm him and let him observe the game might not be a bad idea. Joe T is young and wild. That wildness is both good and bad.
Letting Joe T start the game on the bench to kind of calm him and let him observe the game might not be a bad idea. Joe T is young and wild. That wildness is both good and bad.
The point is to win games, not protect egos or try to predict what will happen 3 games from now. Fran made the right call last night. There are turnovers, of which every player was guilty last night, what Toussaint was doing last night was unlike anything I've ever seen. Every time trying to do something with the ball just falling down or fouling. Once Cincinnati smelled blood with the entire Iowa team, they were just going to keep pressuring until someone on the team made a play.
Iowa will need Toussaint to play meaningful minutes, and I think he'll be just fine. Once he learns it's okay to just move the ball on and keep things going, everything will become easier.
My guess is that he would have been given more of a chance to redeem himself had the team not been struggling the entire game with turnovers. There was literally not a time during the game in which several Iowa players were all handling the ball well and it might have been a chance to get him in there again. They are going to need JT this season. Hopefully he can settle down over the Holidays, have a solid game against Kennesaw State and be ready to contribute for Big Ten season.
When Cincy pulled within 2 at 56-58 with 8 min to go, they were 6-18 from 3 and Iowa was 9-20. THEY MISSED 6 straight 3s and we went 2-4 from downtown - and we snagged 20 additional rebounds to their 7. We also stopped turning the ball over as much - just 2 TOs in the final 8 minutes.
Amazing to come out with a win due to all the turnovers but I'll take it. Cincinnati had 22 more shot attempts than us and lost (72-50). That is a crazy stat.
He played out of control the entire time he was in. He nearly threw away a pass for his 4th TO in less than 4 minutes. It's safe to assume if he played more he isn't replacing the 16 points, 7 boards and 4 assists Bakari put down.
Fran made the right call.
Toussaint can play through his mistakes vs Kennesaw State and Nebraska, not against a potential quad 1-2 opponent at a neutral site. We need those wins more than Joe's practice opportunity.
I think there are really only two principles on substitution patterns.
1. Play your best player at each position as many minutes as they can play without incurring degrading fatigue.
2. Sometimes 1 isn't possible. Then play the hot hand until they aren't hot.
FranMac has frequently departed from these two basic principles and it usually doesn't work out when he does. Last night he stuck with those principles and it worked.
While I would usually agree with RnR on this one, last night was not a routine situation. Good opponent, close game, neutral court. Joe's play was terrible and Bakari came in and did almost everything well. Unusual situation.
Having a good and experienced guy on the floor with a bunch of freshmen and sophomores is a good thing to have.
1. Play your best player at each position as many minutes as they can play without incurring degrading fatigue.
2. Sometimes 1 isn't possible. Then play the hot hand until they aren't hot.
FranMac has frequently departed from these two basic principles and it usually doesn't work out when he does. Last night he stuck with those principles and it worked.
While I would usually agree with RnR on this one, last night was not a routine situation. Good opponent, close game, neutral court. Joe's play was terrible and Bakari came in and did almost everything well. Unusual situation.
Having a good and experienced guy on the floor with a bunch of freshmen and sophomores is a good thing to have.
These are good points. Iowa is a pretty young team - Joe T and CJ are freshman, Weezy and Connor sophomores. Garza is a junior, and has always played beside TC. This is a young team. Still room for lots of growth.
He had a rough game and he did have some unfortunate breaks go against him. The thing is that if he plays 10-15 more mins in this game I think we lose. You could tell he wasn't comfortable out there last night and needed to sit.
I don't think anyone on here wants to see him fail, but he can't play like that and expect to be left in for extended minutes, especially when we have a veteran bench that is ready to step up. I'm sure Joe will have several games this season where he plays great and is a difference maker, but Fran did a good job leaving Bakari in there against Cincy.
Joe T, as others have mentioned, needs to let the game come to him versus forcing the game. He needs to have confidence in other players and not feel like he needs to make a play. And finally, just make good plays/passes versus trying to make great plays.
JT was recruited because we needed someone who has quicks and the ability to create their own shot and defend on the perimeter.
I think he's trying to do the things that the coaches told him that they needed from him to do. We have seen flashes of greatness from him at times and then he has an off night like he did vs. Cincy. This young man has lots of learning to do and should get better and better. Once he gets more time and acclimated to playing with his team mates and likewise they playing with him he will settle down and play within the scope of the system. He definitely has all the raw tools!
I think he's gonna have a breakout game where he goes off for a 20+ night. I think it's bound to happen.
I think he's trying to do the things that the coaches told him that they needed from him to do. We have seen flashes of greatness from him at times and then he has an off night like he did vs. Cincy. This young man has lots of learning to do and should get better and better. Once he gets more time and acclimated to playing with his team mates and likewise they playing with him he will settle down and play within the scope of the system. He definitely has all the raw tools!
I think he's gonna have a breakout game where he goes off for a 20+ night. I think it's bound to happen.
You're assumptions are fine, but still just assumptions.
Iowa only has one guy who can beat ball pressure. Has nothing to do with practicing.
The lack of guy being out there that can beat ball pressure very nearly lost Fran the game.
Maybe JT continues to play like shit, as was everyone else, or maybe he plays like he has for the majority of the time and Iowa doesn't look ridiculous trying to bring the ball up the court and wins comfortably.
I don't understand the idea that he's able to handle ball pressure. Toussaint is fast but not quick as Wooden would say. Aside from the initial 3 times he fell down, he was pressured in the 2nd half and nearly threw the ball away to Evelyn.
JT certanly didn't look like he could handle any pressure this game.
Interesting that you minimize everyone else's performance while downplaying JTs poor play. Connor rebounded extremely well. Evelyn made numerous big shots, grabbed several boards and assists. Wieskamp and CJ both hit big shots.
JT literally only made mistakes without any positive statistics generated. And let's not pretend this was JT's 1st poor performance. I recall him staying after a poor game with Pat to practice. He was awful in the 2nd half vs ISU.
For a pg, JT has 25 assists to 19 turnovers. By contrast Connor has 46 assists to 12 turnovers. I know which one I want handling the ball in a close game.
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Fellas, fellas....assuming all of you are fellas. Watch the game again which I've done and the 60-minute version on BTN.....agree with pocha here.
He was tripped up his first 2 times down the floor once by a Cincy player and then by Garza's big dogs trying to penetrate in the lane....the lane to the rim was there.....and then the seeming non-existent offensive- foul call. Again, agree with pocha. Very soon taken out after that.
Now granted...he's in there to handle the ball and yea, not trip and turn the ball over even if the friggin other foot is extended but as Fran would say....the game got sideways for Joe or better yet, per Hayden..........."The sun don’t shine on the same dog’s rump every day".
The sun wasn't shining on Joe's rump......Bad night for Joe but he will have much better days...
1. Just because you don't understand it doesn't change the fact that its true. Hes the only guy fast enough to consistently go around pressure D. Doesn't mean he doesn't make mistakes. The other guys can get the ball up the court but not consistently beat the pressure for baskets.
2. A players abilities don't change from game to game.
If you think Fran made the right call by playing him 3 minutes thats terrific. Its certainly not crazy.
I disagree though. I think 3 minutes is a silly overreaction.
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