Who called the charge on Connor?

[jimbob22]

Naive to think Pfeifer is incapable of sticking it to Iowa. He’s a lousy, petty ref. Could very well be a lousy, petty human.
Not to say Iowa deserved to win or that they would have won had the call been made correctly. But they would have had a shot. Iowa has won games in more difficult circumstances.

 

[binsfeldcyhawk2]

Shouldn't have been in that situation with 16 seconds left....faceplant loss. That's my takeaway.

It was a bad call FWIW.

Q3 Loss 🤢

 

[Rifler]

Just make some free throws...

 

[Dbq_Hawk]

I 100% don't believe that this takes place in any sort of serious capacity.

The proof is the product.

In any given college game there are multiple atrocious charges called just like the one in question and it never changes.

The ncaa comes out with new points of emphasis every year and these guys ignore them and then it just goes away.

If there was any serious oversight and penalization the changes would be implemented not disappear.

This does take place. I personally know two refs who work college basketball who go through this on a weekly basis with their assignors. Coaches/Teams will send in clips on games to point out all the things ref miss. Now I don’t quite know about penalization but it sure makes them try to improve their craft and worry about losing assigned games. I will bet any money all three of these refs will work the ncaa tournament in a couple weeks. Iowa fans just hate refs because Fran is a psycho path. Go to iowa city west game sometime, he acts like that in the stands as well.

 

[uihawk82]

Was it Pfeifer? That would be called a block eight out of 10 times.

Nine out of 10 times. Connor left his feet well ahead of the contact and Little H was leaning to the right.

But an Iowa team that could have had 25 wins should never have been in that position. This team like many of Fran's teams just doesnt get many defensive stops when they need them and routinely let opponents have shoot around type/warmup shots during games.

 

[jimbob22]

This does take place. I personally know two refs who work college basketball who go through this on a weekly basis with their assignors. Coaches/Teams will send in clips on games to point out all the things ref miss. Now I don’t quite know about penalization but it sure makes them try to improve their craft and worry about losing assigned games. I will bet any money all three of these refs will work the ncaa tournament in a couple weeks. Iowa fans just hate refs because Fran is a psycho path. Go to iowa city west game sometime, he acts like that in the stands as well.

‘Fans hate refs because Fran is a psychopath’ doesn’t track. Naive take on the state of officiating in Big Ten. And Fran is not a psychopath. He is a good guy.

 

[amahawk]

We could have won this game had we made free throws.

THIS!

 

[WSC72]

Nine out of 10 times. Connor left his feet well ahead of the contact and Little H was leaning to the right.

But an Iowa team that could have had 25 wins should never have been in that position. This team like many of Fran's teams just doesnt get many defensive stops when they need them and routinely let opponents have shoot around type/warmup shots during games.

Is it just me or did the team Nebraska had out there much of the game look like a local rec league team?

 

[uihawk82]

Is it just me or did the team Nebraska had out there much of the game look like a local rec league team?

I am not that familiar with Nebby's players but even decent rec league players can make open shots. I mean that Griesle kid had some really good game and a smart player who backed down shorter defenders to us his height and hid out on the arc to get open shots. Lawrence and Wilcher and all their guards could penetrate our defense and hit shots from all over.

Nebby hustled more on defense than Iowa did with a smaller lineup.

Why Fran didnt use height mismatches against Nebby by going to the low post with all his players is beyond me. Murray had several inches on every player guarding him so he should have been getting a touch down low every possession, as should Filip, and Sandfort and Perkins should have got the ball down low . Hell Little Hoiberg and Tomanaga were terrible mismatches for Nebby down low where all you have to do as an offensive player is get the shorter player off balance, go up and spin for an easy 3 foot shot. And you draw fouls, and when they sag on you you kick it out.

Hawks shot terrible over all

 

[blubberhawk]

The fact that people actually think he would make a call to spite Fran and Iowa is hilarious to me. You realize that every call, of every game, that these guys do is graded and their assignments and/or job are dependent on how they do? You think he, or any other official, is willing to risk that by purposely making the wrong call? I’m sure you all think the officials at your kids youth and high school games are out to get your team too.

 

[EvilMonkeyInTheCloset]

What should the repercussions be?

Being as how you're a ref as well, you probably don't want to know that answer..................

 

[EvilMonkeyInTheCloset]

I am not that familiar with Nebby's players but even decent rec league players can make open shots. I mean that Griesle kid had some really good game and a smart player who backed down shorter defenders to us his height and hid out on the arc to get open shots. Lawrence and Wilcher and all their guards could penetrate our defense and hit shots from all over.

Nebby hustled more on defense than Iowa did with a smaller lineup.

Why Fran didnt use height mismatches against Nebby by going to the low post with all his players is beyond me. Murray had several inches on every player guarding him so he should have been getting a touch down low every possession, as should Filip, and Sandfort and Perkins should have got the ball down low . Hell Little Hoiberg and Tomanaga were terrible mismatches for Nebby down low where all you have to do as an offensive player is get the shorter player off balance, go up and spin for an easy 3 foot shot. And you draw fouls, and when they sag on you you kick it out.

Hawks shot terrible over all

Kris is softer than Keegan. That's why he doesn't like to post up on every possession even when he could score 50 pts against his guy doing it................Sad isn't it?

 

[BioHawk]

The lack of any sense of urgency by the defensive play Iowa displayed yesterday makes it impossible for me to exert much energy getting upset about that call.

 

[WSC72]

Being as how you're a ref as well, you probably don't want to know that answer..................

Is the reward for being a good ref working more tournament games? If so, i suppose that is a punishment for those that don't get those type of games.

 

[blubberhawk]

This does take place. I personally know two refs who work college basketball who go through this on a weekly basis with their assignors. Coaches/Teams will send in clips on games to point out all the things ref miss. Now I don’t quite know about penalization but it sure makes them try to improve their craft and worry about losing assigned games. I will bet any money all three of these refs will work the ncaa tournament in a couple weeks. Iowa fans just hate refs because Fran is a psycho path. Go to iowa city west game sometime, he acts like that in the stands as well.

The whole ref stuff is crazy. Iowa shot quite a few more free throws than Nebraska. Iowa lost this game on their own. 58% shooting did Iowa in, not the refs. If Iowa was any good, they would not struggle at home to beat a mediocre team. Nebraska did not have credible scoring threats inside, yet Iowa continued to sag and leave shooters alone on the three line. Nebraska made there 3’s

 

[HawkLogic]

That was a borderline call for college B-ball--I think it would be 50/50 call most games, not 80/20 in Iowa's favor.


Replays always show the guy taking the charge launching themselves backwards under their own power to make it look worse than it actually was. I think a lot of refs come from the pool of formerly unathletic Basketball players that couldn't score or play defense, so taking charges/positional defense was the only thing they did well.



I don't think any Ref in real time can discern that hoiberg's right foot was moving before contact so the idea that a ref can make this call accurately is flawed.

That was a situation with enough contact that something had to be called either way. The NCAA needs a rule change to change the risk/reward of borderline charge calls to quit favoring defense. This leads to professional floppers, more risk of injury because bodies are flying for no reason.

If that had been a foul on CMAC, no basket, but Iowa keeps the ball, then it would have been fairer outcome. Or give Iowa the basket, foul on CMAC. Only other way is Instant Replay or some type of ability to call for a review like NFL has, but that slows the game.

 

[jimbob22]

The whole ref stuff is crazy. Iowa shot quite a few more free throws than Nebraska. Iowa lost this game on their own. 58% shooting did Iowa in, not the refs. If Iowa was any good, they would not struggle at home to beat a mediocre team. Nebraska did not have credible scoring threats inside, yet Iowa continued to sag and leave shooters alone on the three line. Nebraska made there 3’s

Lordie, no one is saying the refs decided game, just that the call was bad by a bad ref, and had it been called correctly Iowa would have had a shot.
I recall the ‘85 World Series. The Cardinals, hitting under .200 and without Vince Coleman, did not deserve to win the series. But if Denkinger had made the right call at first base in the ninth inning of Game Six, they would have.

 

[EvilMonkeyInTheCloset]

That was a borderline call for college B-ball--I think it would be 50/50 call most games, not 80/20 in Iowa's favor.


Replays always show the guy taking the charge launching themselves backwards under their own power to make it look worse than it actually was. I think a lot of refs come from the pool of formerly unathletic Basketball players that couldn't score or play defense, so taking charges/positional defense was the only thing they did well.



I don't think any Ref in real time can discern that hoiberg's right foot was moving before contact so the idea that a ref can make this call accurately is flawed.

That was a situation with enough contact that something had to be called either way. The NCAA needs a rule change to change the risk/reward of borderline charge calls to quit favoring defense. This leads to professional floppers, more risk of injury because bodies are flying for no reason.

If that had been a foul on CMAC, no basket, but Iowa keeps the ball, then it would have been fairer outcome. Or give Iowa the basket, foul on CMAC. Only other way is Instant Replay or some type of ability to call for a review like NFL has, but that slows the game.

I personally have never cared about the length of reviews unlike most impatient Americans that cry about it, or that it's slowing down of the game. I actually laugh inside at every single post and person that whines about a review "taking too long".

What I care about (and what I could take offense to) is whether they get the call right or not after spending all that time reviewing it.........................juuuuuuuust sayin.

 

[EvilMonkeyInTheCloset]

Lordie, no one is saying the refs decided game, just that the call was bad by a bad ref, and had it been called correctly Iowa would have had a shot.
I recall the ‘85 World Series. The Cardinals, hitting under .200 and without Vince Coleman, did not deserve to win the series. But if Denkinger had made the right call at first base in the ninth inning of Game Six, they would have.

Officials and umpires can't possibly affect the outcome of a game though. It's an ancient rule written in stone long before the first cavemen walked across the land bridge into present day Alaska........

 

[WestCoastHawkI]

"Give up a good shot, for a great shot"

- Lisa Bluder

 

[unipanther1999]

It would be one thing if fans and the fan media personalities went after officials once in a while after a loss. That's fairly normal and to be expected. But it's become a narrative with EVERY Iowa loss lately.

That seems to suggest one of two things are true. There is a grand conspiracy among several Big Ten officials over the tenure of multiple coordinators of officials for the Big Ten to screw Iowa (but only on a few random games), or it's become a crutch for the fanbase, who has started to adapt the mentality of the coach over a long period of time.

Are refs trying to screw Iowa into not a losing record, but a middling conference finish?

Or is it more logical that the fanbase has become unhealthily focused on officiating?

 

[WSC72]

It would be one thing if fans and the fan media personalities went after officials once in a while after a loss. That's fairly normal and to be expected. But it's become a narrative with EVERY Iowa loss lately.

That seems to suggest one of two things are true. There is a grand conspiracy among several Big Ten officials over the tenure of multiple coordinators of officials for the Big Ten to screw Iowa (but only on a few random games), or it's become a crutch for the fanbase, who has started to adapt the mentality of the coach over a long period of time.

Are refs trying to screw Iowa into not a losing record, but a middling conference finish?

Or is it more logical that the fanbase has become unhealthily focused on officiating?

I agree with your post, but it is certainly not limited to Iowa. It is pretty much every fan base.

 

[Rifler]

Officiating is not the narrative,.. and this place is not the fan base.

 

[jimbob22]

It would be one thing if fans and the fan media personalities went after officials once in a while after a loss. That's fairly normal and to be expected. But it's become a narrative with EVERY Iowa loss lately.

That seems to suggest one of two things are true. There is a grand conspiracy among several Big Ten officials over the tenure of multiple coordinators of officials for the Big Ten to screw Iowa (but only on a few random games), or it's become a crutch for the fanbase, who has started to adapt the mentality of the coach over a long period of time.

Are refs trying to screw Iowa into not a losing record, but a middling conference finish?

Or is it more logical that the fanbase has become unhealthily focused on officiating?

I’d say you have more issues than Iowa fans do. Jealous cause you ain’t us? No complaints that I recall in the Wisconsin losses, or to Purdue, NU, MSU etc.

 

[RocknRollface]

This does take place. I personally know two refs who work college basketball who go through this on a weekly basis with their assignors. Coaches/Teams will send in clips on games to point out all the things ref miss. Now I don’t quite know about penalization but it sure makes them try to improve their craft and worry about losing assigned games. I will bet any money all three of these refs will work the ncaa tournament in a couple weeks. Iowa fans just hate refs because Fran is a psycho path. Go to iowa city west game sometime, he acts like that in the stands as well.

I know there's someone whos suposedly reviews the games but I just don't buy that the review is anything beyond a formality with no weight behind it.

You can tell a system doesn't work by looking at the results.

 

[bumper52]

The loss was not really dependent on that call. However, Connor attempting to take the ball to the hole….well, not really his game. Sandfort’s quick shot was a horrible decision. But when all is said and done, this game was all about poor defense, ft shooting, and not capitalizing on offensive boards.

 

[blubberhawk]

‘Fans hate refs because Fran is a psychopath’ doesn’t track. Naive take on the state of officiating in Big Ten. And Fran is not a psychopath. He is a good guy.

a good guy who should have been kicked out of a couple high school games this year.

 

[blubberhawk]

We could have won this game had we made free throws.

and not shot 36%
and not allowed Nebraska to shoot 58%

 

[DrVenkman]

We could have won this game had we made free throws.

This. Iowa didn’t lose the game because of officiating. They got out-shot and missed FTs.

 

[Rifler]

Make some free throws, play more in the paint, take some better shots,.. there were a lot of options.

 

[skydog0784]

Not to mention that maybe we should play defense; particularly on the perimeter. We had 0 blocks that entire game. I find that very odd.

 

[Hawky4361]

This does take place. I personally know two refs who work college basketball who go through this on a weekly basis with their assignors. Coaches/Teams will send in clips on games to point out all the things ref miss. Now I don’t quite know about penalization but it sure makes them try to improve their craft and worry about losing assigned games. I will bet any money all three of these refs will work the ncaa tournament in a couple weeks. Iowa fans just hate refs because Fran is a psycho path. Go to iowa city west game sometime, he acts like that in the stands as well.

What is a psycho path??....a walking trail with mental illness??

 

[WSC72]

What is a psycho path??....a walking trail with mental illness??

Possibly, or someone who under stands people, or stands under people, I get confused.

 

[uihawk82]

Kris is softer than Keegan. That's why he doesn't like to post up on every possession even when he could score 50 pts against his guy doing it................Sad isn't it?

Well, when I played sports and the coaches told me to do something or try something I would do it.

If Fran set up his offense to have his height mismatches moving through the low post then that is what they should do. If Fran wants Kris to post up low and score almost at will then Kris should do it. In theory there is not supposed to be much contact .

Plus after a few buckets the opponent would start to double KRis and then he could get 15 assists also.

It is too bad but I lay the blame first on Fran, then his coaches, and then his players because I do not know what plays or sets Fran calls

 

[Bishop1971]

Was it Pfeifer? That would be called a block eight out of 10 times.

I disagree and say 9 out of 10 times, lol. Terrible call. Pfeifer sucks!

 

[EvilMonkeyInTheCloset]

Well, when I played sports and the coaches told me to do something or try something I would do it.

If Fran set up his offense to have his height mismatches moving through the low post then that is what they should do. If Fran wants Kris to post up low and score almost at will then Kris should do it. In theory there is not supposed to be much contact .

Plus after a few buckets the opponent would start to double KRis and then he could get 15 assists also.

It is too bad but I lay the blame first on Fran, then his coaches, and then his players because I do not know what plays or sets Fran calls

You are absolutely right.

But I also don't think even Fran wanted his team to shoot 37 threes.

 

[denmar81]

This does take place. I personally know two refs who work college basketball who go through this on a weekly basis with their assignors. Coaches/Teams will send in clips on games to point out all the things ref miss. Now I don’t quite know about penalization but it sure makes them try to improve their craft and worry about losing assigned games. I will bet any money all three of these refs will work the ncaa tournament in a couple weeks. Iowa fans just hate refs because Fran is a psycho path. Go to iowa city west game sometime, he acts like that in the stands as well.

You think it’s just Iowa fans? Green, Scirotto, szelc, and Pfeiffer are hated by every fan base. The athletic had an article quite a while back about officials. There are a few that the majority of B1G coaches don’t like. Surprisingly, Green is well liked by coaches. Also mentioned how tough it is to get into major college basketball officiating. It’s a good ole boy network.

 

[herkhatescy]

I’m not arguing that it was the correct call or not. I just can’t believe that people believe someone would risk their job to stick it to a coach or player. Just say it was an awful call, not that he made the call because Fran stared at him.

He's not risking his job because we all know there are no consequences for referees' bad calls.

 

[Buffalo43]

If connor and teammates could play perimeter defense and weren't ridiculously slow on their rotations it doesn't matter at all. Blaming the refs when shitty coaching is the culprit is just a bitch move. It's what cryclowns do. Bad calls are a fact of life in bball, good programs overcome them

Oh and they were down 4 with 16 seconds left when that happened. Still would have taken some things to go their way even if he calls the block

Still that was THE WORST CHARGE CALL all year and i have seen over 100 Suspect charge calls

 

[iahawks10]

This is pretty good read about how some of the Big East coaches (2021) feel about some of the refs. There are some familiar names mentioned and a few funny comments.

Pat Driscoll and Mike Eades are a few of the ones we don’t see much of anymore and I actually didn’t mind those two.

Edit: looks like Eades is now referee coordinator for the AAC and manages the officiating consortium between the SEC, AAC, Sun Belt and ASUN conferences.

https://theathletic.com/2974610/202...see-in-a-big-game-i-love-me-some-teddy/?amp=1