Who else thinks Fran’s 1st half 2 Foul rule leads to poor defense and rebounding?

[KcTo]

You’re flat out wrong. There’s varying degrees of success when looking at 2 foul participation with a lean to coaches who are more conservative. But, it’s cool, most of your arguments fall flat when presented with actual data.

Your argument using this metric to correlate success with Virginia and Iowa is erroneous.

I would say Virginia’s success is more directly related to have 5 players drafted in NBA the last 2 years
And Iowa having zero players drafted in NBA

Most reasonable fans would say “if you have a team with 5 NBA players on it, your going to have considerably more success than a team with zero NBA players on it”

for you to compare their results to a team with zero nba players is certainly an assertion with most people won’t agree with.

 

[Titanhawk2]

I’ve always put forth that Fran’s 1st half 2 foul rule is flawed contributing to his consistently poor defensive numbers and wonder who else thinks so, or not so?

Fran has a mandatory rule that once any player at any time in the 1st half collects their 2nd foul, they are automatically benched for the remainder of the 1st half. Fran has ardently adhered to this fact ranking in the 99th percentile of ‘2 foul participation’. When you collect your 2nd foul, you are done with no chance of reappearing in the half.

So, with that as a given under Fran, how does that affect the way players behave and what effect does it have on defense, particularly in the 1st half?

For one, every top starter is hoping to establish himself with some level of production for points and rebounds to add to their resume and position themselves for post season honors and more attractive post career options.

A. you certainly can’t do that from the bench with 2 fouls, so does that mean they play ‘differently’ or less aggressive defensively or rebounding in the 1st half?

B. At Iowa, your are effectively in foul trouble after collecting your 1st foul in the 1st half, as the 2nd foul earns you a full and automatic disqualification for the remainder of the 1st half.

This creates a scenario in the players minds where, I must ‘avoid fouls’ or I must certainly avoid getting my 2nd foul, and when they pick up their 1st 1H foul, they must therefore play like one does when they have ‘4 fouls’. We all know how a player plays when facing imminent disqualification, they play soft defense at the rim, and they avoid contact.

how can you play aggressive defense, aggressively box out, when you have 1 foul, and you know you will sit, knowing if your potential next step of your career is on the line that requires you to be ‘on the floor’?

Now this concept certainly doesn’t answer all of Iowa’s rebounding and defense issues, but time and time again we see Iowa fall behind in the 1st half (and for many reasons, some of them additive ) and time and time we see incredible 2H comebacks, in part fueled by much higher intensity defense (which can include rebounding too) that we don’t see in the 1st half.

I’ve always thought that Fran’s 2 Foul First Half benching rule plays a part in the poor 1st half defense which contributes 50% of the minutes to the total and contributes in a significant way to the consistently poor defensive efficiency that Fran’s teams always seem to perform at.

Not Fran's rule, pretty sure almost every coach does it

 

[carrierhawk]

I’ve always put forth that Fran’s 1st half 2 foul rule is flawed contributing to his consistently poor defensive numbers and wonder who else thinks so, or not so?

Fran has a mandatory rule that once any player at any time in the 1st half collects their 2nd foul, they are automatically benched for the remainder of the 1st half. Fran has ardently adhered to this fact ranking in the 99th percentile of ‘2 foul participation’. When you collect your 2nd foul, you are done with no chance of reappearing in the half.

So, with that as a given under Fran, how does that affect the way players behave and what effect does it have on defense, particularly in the 1st half?

For one, every top starter is hoping to establish himself with some level of production for points and rebounds to add to their resume and position themselves for post season honors and more attractive post career options.

A. you certainly can’t do that from the bench with 2 fouls, so does that mean they play ‘differently’ or less aggressive defensively or rebounding in the 1st half?

B. At Iowa, your are effectively in foul trouble after collecting your 1st foul in the 1st half, as the 2nd foul earns you a full and automatic disqualification for the remainder of the 1st half.

This creates a scenario in the players minds where, I must ‘avoid fouls’ or I must certainly avoid getting my 2nd foul, and when they pick up their 1st 1H foul, they must therefore play like one does when they have ‘4 fouls’. We all know how a player plays when facing imminent disqualification, they play soft defense at the rim, and they avoid contact.

how can you play aggressive defense, aggressively box out, when you have 1 foul, and you know you will sit, knowing if your potential next step of your career is on the line that requires you to be ‘on the floor’?

Now this concept certainly doesn’t answer all of Iowa’s rebounding and defense issues, but time and time again we see Iowa fall behind in the 1st half (and for many reasons, some of them additive ) and time and time we see incredible 2H comebacks, in part fueled by much higher intensity defense (which can include rebounding too) that we don’t see in the 1st half.

I’ve always thought that Fran’s 2 Foul First Half benching rule plays a part in the poor 1st half defense which contributes 50% of the minutes to the total and contributes in a significant way to the consistently poor defensive efficiency that Fran’s teams always seem to perform at.

 

[HoustonREDHawk]

Most coaches also bench their better players if they get two fouls in the first half, at least as long as the game is not getting out of hand. In Iowa's case this year, we are so limited on the bench, that it definitely hurts when bench players are on the floor for extended minutes. For me, I think it is situational, what I would do as a coach. Can I trust the player (or the zebras) not to get a third foul and make them limited the rest of the game? Am I hanging in the game with the player on the bench for the rest of the half?...

 

[HawkRugged17]

Your argument using this metric to correlate success with Virginia and Iowa is erroneous.

I would say Virginia’s success is more directly related to have 5 players drafted in NBA the last 2 years
And Iowa having zero players drafted in NBA

Most reasonable fans would say “if you have a team with 5 NBA players on it, your going to have considerably more success than a team with zero NBA players on it”

for you to compare their results to a team with zero nba players is certainly an assertion with most people won’t agree with.

Except against these guys in Round 1 in 2018 ...