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Who started the Russia/Ukraine conflict?

Who started the war?

  • Russia started the war and Putin is a dictator.

  • Ukraine started the war and Zelensky is a dictator.

  • Russia started the war and Putin was legitimately elected.

  • Ukraine started the war and Zelensky was legitimately elected.

  • Other, I'll explain in the comments.


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They will stop attacking Ukraine.
I don't know what the final details will be, and neither does anyone else yet. I'm sure you won't like this answer, but it's honest.
LOL...we'll stop destroying your country as long as we keep everything we've seized AND get access to your mineral wealth. Quite the deal.

Biden was clearly on the side of Ukraine and he refused to talk to putin while in office. Biden believed in forcing pain on russia so they would have to give up. This strategy clearly has not worked well. Russia still invaded Ukraine, the biden sanctions dont seem to be hurting russia too bad.
The civilized world is on Ukraine's side. Invading a sovereign nation unprovoked used to be considered an unconscionable act of war. And don't give me that horseshit about Ukraine "provoking" Russia. Russia was interfering in Ukraine long before the invasion. Long before Crimea. How was that NOT "provocation" for Ukraine looking to join NATO? You don't get to have it Putin's way just because you say so.

Whereas Trump is talking to both sides. Putin claims one of his hard lines is that Ukraine doesn't join nato. that seems reasonable to me considering we would not want our enemy on the Mexico border either. putin seems to be ok with European troops on the border to protect Ukraine but trump said no us troops. this also seems like a win.
This is the biggest pile of shit in this entire post. Trump is listening to Putin, not talking to him. He's talking AT Zelensky while parroting Putin's lies.

There are a lot of dynamics at play considering the long history between russia and Ukraine. there are people in Ukraine who consider themselves Russian and support putin.
There are people in the US who consider themselves Mexican. Does that justify a Mexican land grab? Supporting a murderous dictator really isn't a point to tout in your favor.

Any solution will have winners and losers but I think Trump is the right person to negotiate peace. his priorities are to stop the killing and make sure the usa gets the best deal possible. I support this.
Trump couldn't negotiate his way out of a wet paper bag. He will simply do what Putin wants and take whatever Putin deigns to give us. Your fanboy adulation of the stupidest person to ever sit in the Oval Office is laughable and transparent.
 
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Zelensky and Ukraine were pursuing a path they considered were in their best interests. Just like Poland Just like Estonia. Latvia. Lithuania. Slovakia. Romania. Bulgaria. Russia's invasion "provoked" Norway and Finland to do the same. Their entry into NATO didn't "provoke" an invasion. We didn't tell any of them "No...we don't want to provoke Putin".

Russia had a crystal-clear path that would have made ALL of this unnecessary. Instead, as seems to be their nature, they bowed to and embraced a dictator. So, if we want to lay blame for Ukraine, we can go back long before Ukraine was an issue. It's an ever-receding target. Or we can just see the invasion for what it actually is - a land grab by a power-hungry criminal who thought it would be an easy, quick win.
You said "Zelensky and Ukraine were pursuing a path they considered were in their best interests"

That's fine, but how's it working out. both sides have lost a lot of lives, but what has Ukraine gained? they lost land to Russia and now the USA is not supporting the war. I don't see any way Ukraine has benefitted from the war.

You are in an idealistic world instead of reality. Ukraine could have given up a little to prevent the war. now they will have to give up significantly more since it seems very unlikely that Ukraine can win this on the battlefield.
You are so uninformed. Biden admin as well as the rest of Europe put sanctions on Russia AFTER they invaded Ukraine. And, everyone thought Russia would take Ukraine in days or weeks and here we are 4 years later and they still haven’t been able to do so. In fact, this whole gambit has shown the world that Russia isn’t as tough as everyone thought. They are far better off doing cyber attacks these days than using conventional military forces.

You are laughable… Russias concession will be no more attacks on Ukraine. That’s not a concession. Especially when they’ve already attacked them twice in the past decade. If I’m Ukrainian I do not trust Russia to honor any ceasefire agreement.

As for those in Ukraine that consider themselves Russian… read up on how/why they moved to the region. Russia has been moving people there for decades to assert dominance in the region. And I tell you what… if they feel so Russian they can go back home. Your stance would be like the US giving up Texas because so many there feel Mexican. That would never happen… those folks would be sent packing. So why would you suggest Ukraine just fold to Russian interests.
You seem like you know all the info and all the answers. but that is not reality. There are experts way smarter and informed than both of us who could argue either of our sides.

If this were easy to understand, then there would not be a war. every fight in history starts because one side doesn't like something the other side does or says. that is true here as well.

Putin could lay out a reasonable explanation why he attacked Ukraine (he didn't want them to join nato). you don't have to agree with the reason, but if that's what he believes then that is his truth.

This works for both sides. the west under biden refused to even listen to what putin wants, so they shut down all communication. these actions make war, not peace.

I did not like how Biden handled Ukraine. I thought he instigated the war, (partially because it benefitted the war hawks) more than he calmed things down. I am excited about the possibility that Trump will make peace.
 
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LOL...we'll stop destroying your country as long as we keep everything we've seized AND get access to your mineral wealth. Quite the deal.


The civilized world is on Ukraine's side. Invading a sovereign nation unprovoked used to be considered an unconscionable act of war. And don't give me that horseshit about Ukraine "provoking" Russia. Russia was interfering in Ukraine long before the invasion. Long before Crimea. How was that NOT "provocation" for Ukraine looking to join NATO? You don't get to have it Putin's way just because you say so.


This is the biggest pile of shit in this entire post. Trump is listening to Putin, not talking to him. He's talking AT Zelensky while parroting Putin's lies.


There are people in the US who consider themselves Mexican. Does that justify a Mexican land grab? Supporting a murderous dictator really isn't a point to tout in your favor.


Trump couldn't negotiate his way out of a wet paper bag. He will simply do what Putin wants and take whatever Putin deigns to give us. Your fanboy adulation of the stupidest person to ever sit in the Oval Office is laughable and transparent.
The west used to be on Ukraines side. The west is/was made up of globalists who support the wef and klause schwabs agenda. this is coming to an end and is now changing the Ukraine war.

All those things I have talked about with the globalist agenda, sustainable development goals, c40 cities, green agenda, dei, trans are losing favor and are coming to an end. I was labeled a conspiracy theorist, but it was true.

Germany is coming down hard on freedom of speech, this is because they are losing contol of the narrative. The last ditch effort of theirs is to control the people by limiting free speech.
 
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You said "Zelensky and Ukraine were pursuing a path they considered were in their best interests"

That's fine, but how's it working out. both sides have lost a lot of lives, but what has Ukraine gained? they lost land to Russia and now the USA is not supporting the war. I don't see any way Ukraine has benefitted from the war.

You are in an idealistic world instead of reality. Ukraine could have given up a little to prevent the war. now they will have to give up significantly more since it seems very unlikely that Ukraine can win this on the battlefield.

You seem like you know all the info and all the answers. but that is not reality. There are experts way smarter and informed than both of us who could argue either of our sides.

If this were easy to understand, then there would not be a war. every fight in history starts because one side doesn't like something the other side does or says. that is true here as well.

Putin could lay out a reasonable explanation why he attacked Ukraine (he didn't want them to join nato). you don't have to agree with the reason, but if that's what he believes then that is his truth.

This works for both sides. the west under biden refused to even listen to what putin wants, so they shut down all communication. these actions make war, not peace.

I did not like how Biden handled Ukraine. I thought he instigated the war, (partially because it benefitted the war hawks) more than he calmed things down. I am excited about the possibility that Trump will make peace.
That you consider Ukraine wanting to join NATO a "reasonable explanation" says it all. You are a Putin defender almost as much as you are a Trump defender.
 
Yes - he wrote a confession at a time of weakness as a POW. He did not sign an admission to war crimes as you stated. There was no legal document, only the ramblings of a man being tortured.

You're misinformed yet again and your stance is despicable.
So that's why he opposed Bush' torture policy - because he knew confessions achieved through torture were unreliable?

It's a shame he ended up betraying those 'principles' of his, huh?

If things had gone a little differently, Haspel could have ended up sitting behind bars instead of in the director’s chair at CIA headquarters.

But in 2006, McCain co-authored the Military Commissions Act. As he recounted later, he and his co-authors “wrote into the legislation that no one who used or approved the use of these interrogation techniques before its enactment should be prosecuted.”

In other words, people like Gina Haspel.

In April 2009, the Obama administration followed McCain’s advice, announcing that it would not seek to prosecute CIA officers who had tortured people, as long as they had acted in accordance with the rules laid out by the Bush administration Justice Department.

McCain supported the decision.
“We need to put this behind us,” he told CBS’s Face the Nation shortly after the announcement. “We need to move forward. … We need a united nation, not a divided one.”
(vox.com)

Despicable man.
 
You said "Zelensky and Ukraine were pursuing a path they considered were in their best interests"

That's fine, but how's it working out. both sides have lost a lot of lives, but what has Ukraine gained? they lost land to Russia and now the USA is not supporting the war. I don't see any way Ukraine has benefitted from the war.

You are in an idealistic world instead of reality. Ukraine could have given up a little to prevent the war. now they will have to give up significantly more since it seems very unlikely that Ukraine can win this on the battlefield.

You seem like you know all the info and all the answers. but that is not reality. There are experts way smarter and informed than both of us who could argue either of our sides.

If this were easy to understand, then there would not be a war. every fight in history starts because one side doesn't like something the other side does or says. that is true here as well.

Putin could lay out a reasonable explanation why he attacked Ukraine (he didn't want them to join nato). you don't have to agree with the reason, but if that's what he believes then that is his truth.

This works for both sides. the west under biden refused to even listen to what putin wants, so they shut down all communication. these actions make war, not peace.

I did not like how Biden handled Ukraine. I thought he instigated the war, (partially because it benefitted the war hawks) more than he calmed things down. I am excited about the possibility that Trump will make peace.
The invasion of Ukraine was a land grab by Putin and no matter how you and your MAGA nut buddies try to spin it, Ukraine and its people are the good guys in this fight. You should be ashamed of your support for a murderous, oppressive dictator like Putin.
 
So that's why he opposed Bush' torture policy - because he knew confessions achieved through torture were unreliable?

It's a shame he ended up betraying those 'principles' of his, huh?

If things had gone a little differently, Haspel could have ended up sitting behind bars instead of in the director’s chair at CIA headquarters.

But in 2006, McCain co-authored the Military Commissions Act. As he recounted later, he and his co-authors “wrote into the legislation that no one who used or approved the use of these interrogation techniques before its enactment should be prosecuted.”

In other words, people like Gina Haspel.

In April 2009, the Obama administration followed McCain’s advice, announcing that it would not seek to prosecute CIA officers who had tortured people, as long as they had acted in accordance with the rules laid out by the Bush administration Justice Department.

McCain supported the decision.
“We need to put this behind us,” he told CBS’s Face the Nation shortly after the announcement. “We need to move forward. … We need a united nation, not a divided one.”
(vox.com)

Despicable man.
Someone who was tortured opposing torture? Say it isn't so. He opposed Trump's pro-torture stance as well.

No matter how much you flail and spin it doesn't change the fact that you are wrong and are deplorable for spewing such misinformation.
 
We have a lot of ill-educated traitors, coonasses and general morons in our midst.
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Unsure if this is offensive or not? I know how it is used down here...
 
The invasion of Ukraine was a land grab by Putin and no matter how you and your MAGA nut buddies try to spin it, Ukraine and its people are the good guys in this fight. You should be ashamed of your support for a murderous, oppressive dictator like Putin.
Do you think all it was is a land grab? I don't think so. I think putin didn't like what Biden and the west were doing and he saw biden as being weak so he took the opportunity to tell the west to eff off.

History is written by the victors. I think there is some fault on biden, some on nato, some on Ukraine and some on putin. no one is innocent.

I could see this story being written several different ways depending on how things play out.

If Trump can get a peace agreement that stands, I think this will look very poorly on Biden and the globalists who advocated for this war. I can also see it being written other ways as well. only time will tell.
 
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Do you think all it was is a land grab? I don't think so. I think putin didn't like what Biden and the west were doing and he saw biden as being weak so he took the opportunity to tell the west to eff off.

History is written by the victors. I think there is some fault on biden, some on nato, some on Ukraine and some on putin. no one is innocent.

I could see this story being written several different ways depending on how things play out.

If Trump can get a peace agreement that stands, I think this will look very poorly on Biden and the globalists who advocated for this war. I can also see it being written other ways as well. only time will tell.
Who advocated for this war, other than Putin?
 
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You said "Zelensky and Ukraine were pursuing a path they considered were in their best interests"

That's fine, but how's it working out. both sides have lost a lot of lives, but what has Ukraine gained? they lost land to Russia and now the USA is not supporting the war. I don't see any way Ukraine has benefitted from the war.

You are in an idealistic world instead of reality. Ukraine could have given up a little to prevent the war. now they will have to give up significantly more since it seems very unlikely that Ukraine can win this on the battlefield.
Yeah, you're an idiot. In your version of "reality", Ukraine gives up "a little" and Putin ceases his efforts to install a puppet - including having that puppet's opponents assassinated - and take control of Ukraine. Talk about idealistic. :rolleyes:

The ONLY person who could have prevented this war is Putin. Like I said, he could discourage Ukraine from seeking NATO membership by being a good neighbor and trading partner. He could bring down the oligarchs and push Russia toward a democratic path. That's no more fantastical than your world where Ukraine surrenders "a little bit" and Putin leaves them alone. You are looking like the ultimate Putin apologist. I guess that's why you back Trump - you think living under a dictator sounds good.
 
The west used to be on Ukraines side. The west is/was made up of globalists who support the wef and klause schwabs agenda. this is coming to an end and is now changing the Ukraine war.

All those things I have talked about with the globalist agenda, sustainable development goals, c40 cities, green agenda, dei, trans are losing favor and are coming to an end. I was labeled a conspiracy theorist, but it was true.

Germany is coming down hard on freedom of speech, this is because they are losing contol of the narrative. The last ditch effort of theirs is to control the people by limiting free speech.
L. O. L.

Tell us, PLEASE, what is Russia made up of? Candy canes and unicorn farts? JFC
 
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You just spent a lot of time trying to prove ... what? Nothing you said changes what I said which, for the umpteenth time, goes like this:

1. Russia was provoked.
2. The provocation, while real, did not justify Russia's invasion and continuing war against Ukraine.
3. Russia's war against Ukraine is a criminal war.

I don't understand why people like you find it hard to accept #1. I can only attribute it to you not knowing the history, not paying attention, or being to immersed in some echo chamber that rejects the facts about the provocation.
How was Russia provoked?
 
Did Russia attempt a coup that Ukraine fought back against?

You'll have to provide more details, not sure what you're referencing.

Did Serbia create a humanitarian crisis with ethnic cleansing that NATO put an end to?

That's the exact argument Putin makes for invading Donbas. In Serbia the Muslim Kosovars tried to secede, and the central government fought them. That's what happened in eastern Ukraine, and was Putin justification for intervening - Obama's 'duty to protect' civilians that was the justification to intervene in the Libyan civil war on the side of the jihadists.

Did Libya bomb night clubs in Europe and hijack and kill people on planes and was home to terrorist groups?

This is criminally disingenuous.
You actually want to assert that the Obama administration's justification for intervening on the side of jihadists was that a QUARTER OF CENTURY EARLIER the Libyan's had bombed a disco in Germany (an act which Reagan retaliated against back then)?

They took responsibility and paid reparations for those bombings last century. That was nothing to do with the decision to intervene in their civil war on the side of jihadists in 2011.

Hell, in 2003 they came clean about their WMD.

December 19, 2003: Libya’s Foreign Ministry publicly renounces the country’s WMD programs. Tripoli promises to eliminate its chemical and nuclear weapons programs, adhere to its commitments under the NPT and BWC, as well as accede to the Chemical Weapons Convention (CWC). Libya also promises to limit the range and payloads of its missiles to conform to guidelines set by the Missile Technology Control Regime (MTCR). Additionally, Libya agrees to conclude an additional protocol to its IAEA safeguards agreement. The protocol expands the IAEA’s authority to check for clandestine nuclear activities. Libya invites inspectors to verify compliance with the agreements and assist in the dismantling of its weapons programs.

No one was accusing the Libyan government of backing international terrorists groups in 2011.

To say the US or NATO attacked anyone unprovoked is a lie. All of them were in response to what the other started.

So the Putin invasion of Donbas wasn't unprovoked, he was just responding to 'humanitarian crisis with ethnic cleansing' started by the Ukrainians.
You realize that's the case you just built, right? Good job.
 
Totally incapable of addressing the fact the U.S. supported a coup, and 'regime changed' another democratic government because neocons like Nuland didn't like the policies their people voted for.

Never change.
The US supported an uprising by students and others against a Russian puppet. Viktor Yanukovych was a Russian stooge elected to do Putin's bidding. The parliament had voted OVERWHELMINGLY to approve an agreement ensuring closer ties with the EU and Yanukovych single-handedly rejected it in favor of turning to Moscow. The people didn't care for that and they protested. Their parliament voted Yanukovych out in a unanimous vote of nearly three-fourths of the members - that's a higher standard than needed to remove a US president.

One guy called this a coup - Putin (and you, so I guess two now).
 
Once again, I wanted to point out the consensus on this poll and how that points to major trouble looming for Trump who majorly miscalculated and is not walking back on bullying Ukraine and fellating Russia. The results speak for themselves.
 
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The primary impetus for the war was that prospect.


Former German Chancellor Angela Merkel has justified her efforts to delay Ukraine's bid for NATO membership during her time in office, citing fears that Russia could retaliate, according to excerpts from her upcoming memoir published in German weekly Die Zeit.

Merkel also said that only a minority of those in Ukraine supported its push for NATO membership at the time, before concluding she was "convinced" she could not then agree to Ukraine joining the military alliance.

Nevertheless, the German leader said that not offering Ukraine a clear MAP into the military alliance had costs for the country's aspirations and that a broader promise for future membership made at the 2008 summit was a provocation for Putin.

Merkel wrote that it was perceived as a "declaration of war" by the Russian leader, who reportedly told her in another context: "You will not be chancellor forever. And then they (Ukraine and Georgia) will become NATO members. And I want to prevent that."



So if you wanted a war with Russia, there was a clear path, and the neocons unerringly stuck to it.
Here we are.
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Once again, I wanted to point out the consensus on this poll and how that points to major trouble looming for Trump who majorly miscalculated and is not walking back on bullying Ukraine and fellating Russia. The results speak for themselves.

It's trouble for all of us. Our president has turned the nation's back on the democratic nations of the world and announced plans to partner with an autocratic nation that has been cutting sausage from it's neighbors for 3 decades.
 
The US supported an uprising by students and others against a Russian puppet.

Duly elected president.

The election was widely recognized and endorsed as being fair and an accurate reflection of voters' intentions by all international agencies observing the election including the OSCE and PACE.[166][167] According to all international organizations observing the election, allegations of electoral fraud in relation to the first-round ballot were unfounded; they declared that the conduct of the elections was within internationally recognized democratic standards and a testament to the will of the people of Ukraine.[168][169]
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Viktor Yanukovych was a Russian stooge elected to do Putin's bidding.

You're ignoring that the people of Ukraine elected him for his policies.

The parliament had voted OVERWHELMINGLY to approve an agreement ensuring closer ties with the EU and Yanukovych single-handedly rejected it in favor of turning to Moscow.

Was that within his constitutional prerogative as President?

The people didn't care for that and they protested.

We all agree that protesting is fine. Taking over government buildings and killing the police isn't mere 'protesting' is it?
That's more like insurrection, is it not?

Their parliament voted Yanukovych out in a unanimous vote of nearly three-fourths of the members - that's a higher standard than needed to remove a US president.

But less than the standard set in the Ukrainian constitution.
Not only did they not introduce articles of impeachment, they just passed a resolution to remove the president that didn't even meet the threshold their constitution established for removing the president.
If 60 Senators voted to remove Biden after a murderous mob took over buildings in DC and surrounded the White House, would you consider that legal and proper under our Constitution?
Factor in a foreign power egging on the protests, and exposed for selecting the actual puppet to be installed as president next.
Would you call that a coup?
 
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It's relevant in that anyone representing the US government, believing they have the moral authority to criticize another country for being expansionist, is full of shit and a world class hypocrite.
You still aren't making sense. Edit: You appear to be against expansionists.
 
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It's relevant in that anyone representing the US government, believing they have the moral authority to criticize another country for being expansionist, is full of shit and a world class hypocrite.
GTFO. The last time the US annexed territory by force was over 125 years ago.

You're a shill.
 
You'll have to provide more details, not sure what you're referencing.



That's the exact argument Putin makes for invading Donbas. In Serbia the Muslim Kosovars tried to secede, and the central government fought them. That's what happened in eastern Ukraine, and was Putin justification for intervening - Obama's 'duty to protect' civilians that was the justification to intervene in the Libyan civil war on the side of the jihadists.



This is criminally disingenuous.
You actually want to assert that the Obama administration's justification for intervening on the side of jihadists was that a QUARTER OF CENTURY EARLIER the Libyan's had bombed a disco in Germany (an act which Reagan retaliated against back then)?

They took responsibility and paid reparations for those bombings last century. That was nothing to do with the decision to intervene in their civil war on the side of jihadists in 2011.

Hell, in 2003 they came clean about their WMD.

December 19, 2003: Libya’s Foreign Ministry publicly renounces the country’s WMD programs. Tripoli promises to eliminate its chemical and nuclear weapons programs, adhere to its commitments under the NPT and BWC, as well as accede to the Chemical Weapons Convention (CWC). Libya also promises to limit the range and payloads of its missiles to conform to guidelines set by the Missile Technology Control Regime (MTCR). Additionally, Libya agrees to conclude an additional protocol to its IAEA safeguards agreement. The protocol expands the IAEA’s authority to check for clandestine nuclear activities. Libya invites inspectors to verify compliance with the agreements and assist in the dismantling of its weapons programs.

No one was accusing the Libyan government of backing international terrorists groups in 2011.



So the Putin invasion of Donbas wasn't unprovoked, he was just responding to 'humanitarian crisis with ethnic cleansing' started by the Ukrainians.
You realize that's the case you just built, right? Good job.
You are so disingenuous. What Russians were being slaughtered in Ukraine? Cite the numbers. Libya had been attacking and provoking for decades which put them on the shot list. FAFO.
 
You are so disingenuous. What Russians were being slaughtered in Ukraine?



Cite the numbers.

War in Donbas (2014–2022) The overall number of estimated deaths in the war in Donbas from 6 April 2014 to 31 December 2021 was 14,200–14,400. This included about 6,500 pro-Russian separatist fighters, 4,400 Ukrainian fighters, and 3,404 civilians.


Libya had been attacking and provoking for decades which put them on the shot list. FAFO.
The last attack attributed to them was in 1988.

In accordance with United Nations and American demands, Libya accepted responsibility for the bombing, though it did not express remorse. The U.N. and U.S. lifted sanctions against Libya; the country then paid each victim’s family approximately $8 million in compensation.
...
Qaddafi surprised many around the world when he became one of the first Muslim heads of state to denounce al-Qaida after the attacks of September 11, 2001. In 2003, he gained favor with the administration of George W. Bush when he announced the existence of a program to build weapons of mass destruction in Libya and that he would allow an international agency to inspect and dismantle them. Though some in the U.S. government pointed to this as a direct and positive consequence of the ongoing war in Iraq, others pointed out that Qaddafi had essentially been making the same offer since 1999, but had been ignored. In 2004, U.K. Prime Minister Tony Blair visited Libya, one of the first western heads of state to do so in recent memory; he praised Libya during the visit as a strong ally in the international war on terror.



And then the Obama administration, on the advice of Hillary Clinton (seeking an achievement to crow about in her quest for the presidency), helped jihadist overthrow that government, that had become an ally against jihadists.

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https://www.salon.com/2016/09/16/u-...ow-natos-2011-war-in-libya-was-based-on-lies/

U.K. Parliament report details how NATO's 2011 war in Libya was based on lies British investigation:
Gaddafi was not going to massacre civilians;
Western bombing made Islamist extremism worse

A new report by the British Parliament shows that the 2011 NATO war in Libya was based on an array of lies.

"Libya: Examination of intervention and collapse and the UK’s future policy options," an investigation by the House of Commons' bipartisan Foreign Affairs Committee, strongly condemns the U.K.'s role in the war, which toppled the government of Libya's leader Muammar Qaddafi and plunged the North African country into chaos.

"We have seen no evidence that the UK Government carried out a proper analysis of the nature of the rebellion in Libya," the report states. "UK strategy was founded on erroneous assumptions and an incomplete understanding of the evidence."

The Foreign Affairs Committee concludes that the British government "failed to identify that the threat to civilians was overstated and that the rebels included a significant Islamist element."
 
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Duly elected president.

The election was widely recognized and endorsed as being fair and an accurate reflection of voters' intentions by all international agencies observing the election including the OSCE and PACE.[166][167] According to all international organizations observing the election, allegations of electoral fraud in relation to the first-round ballot were unfounded; they declared that the conduct of the elections was within internationally recognized democratic standards and a testament to the will of the people of Ukraine.[168][169][170]
Duly elected does not rule out being a puppet dumbass, Look at the current situation in this country.

You're ignoring that the people of Ukraine elected him for his policies.
His policy was to align with the already negotiated and approved agreement with the EU. HE turned away from that. That might have been influenced by a $3B "loan" from the Russians. That's what led to the uprising against him.

Was that within his constitutional prerogative as President?
To defy parliament and the will of the people? No idea. But FAFO applies when you do that.

We all agree that protesting is fine. Taking over government buildings and killing the police isn't mere 'protesting' is it?

That's more like insurrection, is it not?
What makes you think the protestors instigated the violence. You're once again parroting Russian propaganda. Protestors were fired on by snipers in one march. Over 100 protestors were killed in multiple clashes with authority. Ukraine saw the largest European pro-democracy protests in more than two decades Yet here you are toeing that authoritarian line.

But less than the standard set in the Ukrainian constitution.
Not only did they not introduce articles of impeachment, they just passed a resolution to remove the president that didn't even meet the threshold their constitution established for removing the president.
If 60 Senators voted to remove Biden after a murderous mob took over buildings in DC and surrounded the White House, would you consider that legal and proper under our Constitution?
Factor in a foreign power egging on the protests, and exposed for selecting the actual puppet to be installed as president next.
Would you call that a coup?
They didn't impeach Yanukovych because 1) his govt had collapsed and 2) he had already fled the country for Russia. There was no president to impeach. Parliament used their power under the constitution to declare that Yanukovych had abandoned his office and to call for new elections. Given the circumstances, it was the most constitutional course of action at their disposal. Sorry...no coup detected. Except by Putin ass-kissers.
 
Duly elected does not rule out being a puppet dumbass, Look at the current situation in this country.

That's just your useless opinion.
Doesn't change the fact that foreign powers picking a replacement president to be installed in unconstitutional manner after a murderous mob seizes government buildings and chases off the duly elected head of government is a coup.

coup
noun
1. a sudden, violent, and unlawful seizure of power from a government.

To defy parliament and the will of the people? No idea. But FAFO applies when you do that.

You've asserted "The parliament had voted OVERWHELMINGLY to approve an agreement"

Can you tell me when this vote took place? After I caught you making up shit whole cloth about that Texas Supreme Court decision I'd prefer to verify for myself from your source(s).

What makes you think the protestors instigated the violence. You're once again parroting Russian propaganda. Protestors were fired on by snipers in one march.

https://link.springer.com/book/10.1007/978-3-031-67121-0
Ch.4:
The majority of a few hundred testimonies after the Maidan massacre by witnesses, primarily Maidan protesters, in the media, social media, concerning snipers in Maidan-controlled buildings and areas during the Maidan massacre, are by direct eyewitnesses and by Maidan activists and Western and Ukrainian journalists. Many of them also stated that Maidan leaders knew in advance about the massacre and that snipers were located in the Music Conservatory, Hotel Ukraina, and at least 18 other buildings in the Maidan-controlled areas and shot protesters and police from there. Several Maidan protesters testified that some of the snipers were captured by Maidan protesters but were then released by Maidan leaders (Video,2023b).


https://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/mar/05/ukraine-bugged-call-catherine-ashton-urmas-paet

A leaked phone call between the EU foreign affairs chief Catherine Ashton and Estonian foreign minister Urmas Paet has revealed that the two discussed a conspiracy theory that blamed the killing of civilian protesters in the Ukrainian capital, Kiev, on the opposition rather than the ousted government.

The 11-minute conversation was posted on YouTube – it is the second time in a month that telephone calls between western diplomats discussing Ukraine have been bugged.

In the call, Paet said he had been told snipers responsible for killing police and civilians in Kiev last month were protest movement provocateurs rather than supporters of then-president Viktor Yanukovych. Ashton responds: "I didn't know … Gosh."


Over 100 protestors were killed in multiple clashes with authority. Ukraine saw the largest European pro-democracy protests in more than two decades Yet here you are toeing that authoritarian line.

https://link.springer.com/book/10.1007/978-3-031-67121-0
Ch.4:
Oleh Tiahnybok, who headed this far-right party and was one of the leaders of the Maidan, said that when he asked that “we have four victims, why is there no reaction?” the Western representative responded that “this is not enough” and that “we will be able to react when there are 100 victims” (Braty, 2017, 94).Ruslan Koshulynsky, deputy leader of the Svoboda Party and the deputy head of the Ukrainian parliament, made similar statement concerning the discussion of this issue:

"They talked about the first deaths - well, 5, 20... 100? When will the authorities be guilty? In the end, they reached the figure of one hundred. There was no pressure. There were no sanctions. They waited until a mass murder. And if there is a mass murder in the country - the authorities are to blame, because they crossed the line, the authorities cannot allow mass murders." (Braty, 2017, 94)


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At least 10 Maidan politicians and activists publicly testified that they witnessed the involvement of specific top Maidan leaders from oligarchic parties and far-right organizations in the massacre, such as their advance knowledge of the massacre, deployment of snipers, evacuation of snipers who were captured by Maidan protesters, and cover-up of such snipers. They include members of the Maidan and Right Sector leadership, the Maidan Self-Defense commanders, Right Sector activists, and other Maidan activists. For example, David Zhvania, who headed a parliamentary committee at the time of the massacre and was a member of the Maidan leadership, stated that the Maidan leaders, whom he named in his videos, “arranged” the Maidan massacre, that they wanted to seize power in Ukraine. He said that the Maidan opposition leaders knew in advance about the Maidan massacre and called their members of the parliament before the massacre not to go to the Maidan so that they would not be killed.

They didn't impeach Yanukovych because 1) his govt had collapsed and 2) he had already fled the country for Russia. There was no president to impeach. Parliament used their power under the constitution to declare that Yanukovych had abandoned his office and to call for new elections.

Where in their constitution? I think you're just making that up.
They have a process for removal of the president, it wasn't followed.
The alternative isn't passing a resolution with a smaller majority than is constitutionally stipulated for removal of the executive to achieve the same.

Given the circumstances, it was the most constitutional course of action at their disposal. Sorry...no coup detected.

If 60 Senators voted to remove Biden after a murderous mob took over buildings in DC and surrounded the White House, would you consider that legal and proper under our Constitution?
Factor in a foreign power egging on the protests, and exposed for selecting the actual puppet to be installed as president next.
Would you call that a coup?
 
Russia has been repeatedly invaded from the west during the last 500 years. The invasions come right through the Ukraine area because the ground is flat- perfect for calvary, troops, tanks, and artillery. Russia lost 20 million people during. WWll.
Russia has repeatedly invaded Ukraine over the last century.
 
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