Who started the Russia/Ukraine conflict?

[B1GDeal]

Do you I think I made up that CNN report from 2014 of government attacks on civilians in Donetsk?

Did Serbia attack any NATO members to justify NATO bombing Serbia during their civil war?

Did Libya attack any NATO members to justify NATO bombing Libya during their civil war?

What am I guilty of 'revising'?

Did Russia attempt a coup that Ukraine fought back against?

Did Serbia create a humanitarian crisis with ethnic cleansing that NATO put an end to?

Did Libya bomb night clubs in Europe and hijack and kill people on planes and was home to terrorist groups?

To say the US or NATO attacked anyone unprovoked is a lie. All of them were in response to what the other started.

 

[Hawk_82]

They’re under martial law. They’re at war, you know. How would you propose they hold elections when millions are refugees in other countries, millions more have been displaced within the country, a significant portion of the country is held by murderers, major cities are being attacked daily…

What’s your plan, comrade?

That's why I never supported this war to begin with. it's a self fulfilling prophecy.

Go to war > declare martial law > get to be president as long as you want.

This is like defending Hitler because there is no way anyone could replace him because he was at war, which he started.

Zelenskyy had a chance to sign a peace treaty to prevent war. He chose not to sign because the west reassured him they have his back during this proxy war.

It's a stupid war, Ukraine will have to give up land and agree not to join nato for it to be over. I will not consider Ukraine to be a democracy until they have another

They’re under martial law. They’re at war, you know. How would you propose they hold elections when millions are refugees in other countries, millions more have been displaced within the country, a significant portion of the country is held by murderers, major cities are being attacked daily…

What’s your plan, comrade?

Where there is a will, there is a way. Lincoln managed to have midterm elections and a presidential election during the Civil War. You are just making excuses if you don't think it's possible

How Abraham Lincoln Won Re‑Election During the Civil War | HISTORY

By winning re‑election in 1864 against his former top general, Lincoln dashed any hopes of a negotiated peace with the Confederacy.

www.history.com

 

[RileyHawk]

That's why I never supported this war to begin with. it's a self fulfilling prophecy.

Go to war > declare martial law > get to be president as long as you want.

This is like defending Hitler because there is no way anyone could replace him because he was at war, which he started.

Zelenskyy had a chance to sign a peace treaty to prevent war. He chose not to sign because the west reassured him they have his back during this proxy war.

It's a stupid war, Ukraine will have to give up land and agree not to join nato for it to be over. I will not consider Ukraine to be a democracy until they have another

Where there is a will, there is a way. Lincoln managed to have midterm elections and a presidential election during the Civil War. You are just making excuses if you don't think it's possible

How Abraham Lincoln Won Re‑Election During the Civil War | HISTORY

By winning re‑election in 1864 against his former top general, Lincoln dashed any hopes of a negotiated peace with the Confederacy.

www.history.com

You don't seem to understand the difference between being at war and martial law. Not that I'm surprised.

You also don't seem to understand other countries have different governing rules. SMFH

 

[SalAunese]

We have some astoundingly stupid, ignorant and myopic fools that walk amongst us.

 

[Hawk_82]

What were the terms of this "peace treaty"?

You can do your own search for the exact details as I don't have the time, but here are a few articles.

Boris Johnson Pressured Zelenskyy to Ditch Peace Talks With Russia: Ukrainian Paper | Common Dreams

"The British government has become an obstacle to peace in Ukraine," said the Stop the War Coalition. "The conflict there is developing into a proxy war between Russia and NATO and it is the Ukrainian people who will suffer the consequences."

www.commondreams.org

 

[Hawk_82]

We have some astoundingly stupid, ignorant and myopic fools that walk amongst us.

You guys think you know everything with 100% confidence and you think anyone who doesn't agree with you are stupid.

This is so blatantly wrong. You see this war through the lens of Biden and his staff. you refuse to see it from Russia or Ukraines perspective. You refuse to see any gray area or any wrongdoing by Ukraine, Boris Johnson, or the west.

Your thinking will continue the war until one side is defeated on the battlefield. The west think they can bully Russia into a peace deal. It's possible that will work, but it's more likely these strong arm tactics will just lead to more war and death.

Trump has an unconventional line of thinking which I agree with. He wants peace which he believes will come with some concessions from both sides. The best deal is usually when neither side get everything they want but both walk away satisfied. I believe Trump will deliver this.

 

[tarheelbybirth]

Where there is a will, there is a way. Lincoln managed to have midterm elections and a presidential election during the Civil War. You are just making excuses if you don't think it's possible

How Abraham Lincoln Won Re‑Election During the Civil War | HISTORY

By winning re‑election in 1864 against his former top general, Lincoln dashed any hopes of a negotiated peace with the Confederacy.

www.history.com

What were the results in the South in that election?

 

[Tenacious E]

You guys think you know everything with 100% confidence and you think anyone who doesn't agree with you are stupid.

This is so blatantly wrong. You see this war through the lens of Biden and his staff. you refuse to see it from Russia or Ukraines perspective. You refuse to see any gray area or any wrongdoing by Ukraine, Boris Johnson, or the west.

Your thinking will continue the war until one side is defeated on the battlefield. The west think they can bully Russia into a peace deal. It's possible that will work, but it's more likely these strong arm tactics will just lead to more war and death.

Trump has an unconventional line of thinking which I agree with. He wants peace which he believes will come with some concessions from both sides. The best deal is usually when neither side get everything they want but both walk away satisfied. I believe Trump will deliver this.

Tell it to his gravestone. I'm sure you know more about this than he did.

 

[FAUlty Gator]

According to his own logic, @What Would Jesus Do? will now have to put himself on ignore for choosing the most idiotic poll choice of Ukraine starting the war. As usual, his Russian/ Syrian apologicity is showing again.

 

[tarheelbybirth]

You guys think you know everything with 100% confidence and you think anyone who doesn't agree with you are stupid.

This is so blatantly wrong. You see this war through the lens of Biden and his staff. you refuse to see it from Russia or Ukraines perspective. You refuse to see any gray area or any wrongdoing by Ukraine, Boris Johnson, or the west.

LOL...Hitler had a perspective, as well. You can blame WWII on the onerous conditions forced on a defeated Germany after WWI and still recognize that doesn't REMOTELY justify Hitler.

 

[FlickShagwell]

Regarding the current conflict, Russia was the military aggressor,.. However, if one looks deeply into the history of this situation, it's hard not to find that poor choices made by the west and NATO laid the groundwork...

Blame American first.

 

[What Would Jesus Do?]

Yep. My bad.

@What Would Jesus Do?

WTF on that vote?!?!

I thought the idea was to pick the most ridiculous option - because most of the options are kind of childishly black and white. OK, OK, I didn't really think that, but when I didn't find an option close enough to my true position, I decided to treat it that way.

I get it. When talking about war, one of the first things lost is the ability to take nuanced positions based on facts.

My minimalist position on the Ukraine war is that Russia was provoked, but that the level of provocation did not (and does not) justify their invasion.

Comparing the Russian invasion of Ukraine with our wars - ranked in order of provocation:

Vietnam - no provocation. Criminal war.
Iraq - no provocation. Criminal war.
Grenada - trivial provocation. Criminal war (but too small to care about).
Ukraine - some provocation, but not enough to justify invasion and ongoing war. Criminal war.
Afghanistan - more provocation, but not enough to justify 20 years of war and occupation. Probably a criminal war, but debatable.

 

[torbee]

I thought the idea was to pick the most ridiculous option - because most of the options are kind of childishly black and white. OK, OK, I didn't really think that, but when I didn't find an option close enough to my true position, I decided to treat it that way.

I get it. When talking about war, one of the first things lost is the ability to take nuanced positions based on facts.

My minimalist position on the Ukraine war is that Russia was provoked, but that the level of provocation did not (and does not) justify their invasion.

Comparing the Russian invasion of Ukraine with our wars - ranked in order of provocation:

Vietnam - no provocation. Criminal war.
Iraq - no provocation. Criminal war.
Grenada - trivial provocation. Criminal war (but too small to care about).
Ukraine - some provocation, but not enough to justify invasion and ongoing war. Criminal war.
Afghanistan - more provocation, but not enough to justify 20 years of war and occupation. Probably a criminal war, but debatable.

It's rather amusing how you parse this and talk "nuance", yet have zero "gray area" talking points when it comes to the Palestine-Israel conflict.

For the record, neither situation is as cut-and-dried as many people make them out to be.

 

[What Would Jesus Do?]

LOL...Hitler had a perspective, as well. You can blame WWII on the onerous conditions forced on a defeated Germany after WWI and still recognize that doesn't REMOTELY justify Hitler.

This is my position on Ukraine, as well - from the beginning. Russia was provoked, but the level of provocation does not justify the invasion and ongoing war.

What pissed me off in these many debates is that too many of my liberal friends deny that there was any provocation. While to many otherwise sensible conservatives here act like the level of provocation somehow justifies Russia's actions.

Those are our dominant echo chamber positions.

 

[SalAunese]

Zelenskyy had a chance to sign a peace treaty to prevent war. He chose not to sign because the west reassured him they have his back during this proxy war.

Only the gullible, village idiot believes this.

 

[MichaelKeller99]

Your misinformation extends to a wide variety of topics, I see.

John McCain dropped general purpose bombs and high explosive bombs on infrastructure targets.

He was a hero because he spent 5 years in a POW camp and refused to give information to the enemy despite torture, solitary confinement and other physical and psychological efforts to get him to break. He even refused early release because his father was an Admiral, instead he insisted the military code of conduct be followed where prisoners are released in the order of their capture.

You're despicable.

He signed a submitted confession to the N Koreans admitting to war crimes.

Probably the only honest thing he ever did.

He then betrayed the POW/MIA families of the Vietnam 'conflict'. Despicable, indeed.

National Alliance of Families POW/MIA - McCain and the POW Cover Up

McCain and the POW Cover-up The "war hero" candidate buried information about POWs left behind in Vietnam Research support provided by the Investigative Fund of The Nation Institute. This is an expanded version, with primary documents attached, of a story that appears in the October 6, 2008 issue

www.nationalalliance.org

 

[SalAunese]

from the beginning. Russia was provoked

That's your idiotic communist bias showing.. What a child's view of the world and ignorance of the true reality of Russian/Ukrainian history

 

[gohawks50]

This is my position on Ukraine, as well - from the beginning. Russia was provoked, but the level of provocation does not justify the invasion and ongoing war.

What pissed me off in these many debates is that too many of my liberal friends deny that there was any provocation. While to many otherwise sensible conservatives here act like the level of provocation somehow justifies Russia's actions.

Those are our dominant echo chamber positions.

What was the provocation? Asking for NATO membership?

 

[What Would Jesus Do?]

It's rather amusing how you parse this and talk "nuance", yet have zero "gray area" talking points when it comes to the Palestine-Israel conflict.

Not true. My position on Gaza is more like my position on Afghanistan. Clearly Israel was provoked by the horrific Hamas attack. (More provocation than the Afghanistan war.) But at some point, the horrific Israeli response went way out of moral and legal bounds, and became a criminal war.

 

[gohawks50]

You can do your own search for the exact details as I don't have the time, but here are a few articles.

Boris Johnson Pressured Zelenskyy to Ditch Peace Talks With Russia: Ukrainian Paper | Common Dreams

"The British government has become an obstacle to peace in Ukraine," said the Stop the War Coalition. "The conflict there is developing into a proxy war between Russia and NATO and it is the Ukrainian people who will suffer the consequences."

www.commondreams.org

So you don't know if the deal had any concessions for Ukraine? We can't evaluate the decision not to sign a treaty without knowing the terms.

 

[FAUlty Gator]

He signed a submitted confession to the N Koreans admitting to war crimes.

Probably the only honest thing he ever did.

He then betrayed the POW/MIA families of the Vietnam 'conflict'. Despicable, indeed.

View embedded media

National Alliance of Families POW/MIA - McCain and the POW Cover Up

McCain and the POW Cover-up The "war hero" candidate buried information about POWs left behind in Vietnam Research support provided by the Investigative Fund of The Nation Institute. This is an expanded version, with primary documents attached, of a story that appears in the October 6, 2008 issue

www.nationalalliance.org

So, when Trump shits on Gold Star families and troops, he's a giant piece of shit, right?

 

[What Would Jesus Do?]

That's your idiotic communist bias showing.. What a child's view of the world and ignorance of the true reality of Russian/Ukrainian history

You are totally wrong - as usual.

I did watch the Timothy Snyder's entire lecture series on Ukraine, and also read his latest book. So I suspect I'm way better informed than you. Or are you calling him "childish" as well?

Russia isn't even a communist nation, and hasn't been for decades. Nor am I a communist. Nor am I a fan of Russia or Putin. But, yes, there was provocation. As anyone who was paying attention should know.

 

[SalAunese]

I'm wrong as usual? I'm quite right here and you lack the awareness to understand that.

Snyder is pro-Ukraine and has said repeatedly that the only solution to the geopolitical danger the war presents, is for Russia to lose the war and to face a complete internal upheaval.

Not Communists? The country is run by former KGB/Soviet officials!! Putin's own father was an NKVD officer. Russia is a dictatorship with a quasi-fascist infrastructure. Simple as that.

 

[Jim Grizzly]

You guys think you know everything with 100% confidence and you think anyone who doesn't agree with you are stupid.

This is so blatantly wrong. You see this war through the lens of Biden and his staff. you refuse to see it from Russia or Ukraines perspective. You refuse to see any gray area or any wrongdoing by Ukraine, Boris Johnson, or the west.

Your thinking will continue the war until one side is defeated on the battlefield. The west think they can bully Russia into a peace deal. It's possible that will work, but it's more likely these strong arm tactics will just lead to more war and death.

Trump has an unconventional line of thinking which I agree with. He wants peace which he believes will come with some concessions from both sides. The best deal is usually when neither side get everything they want but both walk away satisfied. I believe Trump will deliver this.

This is the Munich '38 conference thinking that worked out so well for Europe. Peace in our time right? Trust the expansionist dictator because he pinky promised he would stop at Ukraine. Naive would be a generous way to describe your thought process, especially since we've already seen this movie play out. Peace without Russian concessions is temporary at best.

 

[tarheelbybirth]

This is my position on Ukraine, as well - from the beginning. Russia was provoked, but the level of provocation does not justify the invasion and ongoing war.

What pissed me off in these many debates is that too many of my liberal friends deny that there was any provocation. While to many otherwise sensible conservatives here act like the level of provocation somehow justifies Russia's actions.

Those are our dominant echo chamber positions.

Zelensky and Ukraine were pursuing a path they considered were in their best interests. Just like Poland Just like Estonia. Latvia. Lithuania. Slovakia. Romania. Bulgaria. Russia's invasion "provoked" Norway and Finland to do the same. Their entry into NATO didn't "provoke" an invasion. We didn't tell any of them "No...we don't want to provoke Putin".

Russia had a crystal-clear path that would have made ALL of this unnecessary. Instead, as seems to be their nature, they bowed to and embraced a dictator. So, if we want to lay blame for Ukraine, we can go back long before Ukraine was an issue. It's an ever-receding target. Or we can just see the invasion for what it actually is - a land grab by a power-hungry criminal who thought it would be an easy, quick win.

 

[MichaelKeller99]

So, when Trump shits on Gold Star families and troops, he's a giant piece of shit, right?

Absolutely.

 

[What Would Jesus Do?]

I'm wrong as usual? I'm quite right here and you lack the awareness to understand that.

Snyder is pro-Ukraine and has said repeatedly that the only solution to the geopolitical danger the war presents, is for Russia to lose the war and to face a complete internal upheaval.

Not Communists? The country is run by former KGB/Soviet officials!! Putin's own father was an NKVD officer. Russia is a dictatorship with a quasi-fascist infrastructure. Simple as that.

So says the guy who can't distinguish between communism and fascism.

 

[B1GDeal]

You guys think you know everything with 100% confidence and you think anyone who doesn't agree with you are stupid.

This is so blatantly wrong. You see this war through the lens of Biden and his staff. you refuse to see it from Russia or Ukraines perspective. You refuse to see any gray area or any wrongdoing by Ukraine, Boris Johnson, or the west.

Your thinking will continue the war until one side is defeated on the battlefield. The west think they can bully Russia into a peace deal. It's possible that will work, but it's more likely these strong arm tactics will just lead to more war and death.

Trump has an unconventional line of thinking which I agree with. He wants peace which he believes will come with some concessions from both sides. The best deal is usually when neither side get everything they want but both walk away satisfied. I believe Trump will deliver this.

What’s Russia going to concede?

 

[SalAunese]

So says the guy who can't distinguish between communism and fascism.

lol I'm clearly more educated on the topic and nuances than most people.

 

[What Would Jesus Do?]

Zelensky and Ukraine were pursuing a path they considered were in their best interests. Just like Poland Just like Estonia. Latvia. Lithuania. Slovakia. Romania. Bulgaria. Russia's invasion "provoked" Norway and Finland to do the same. Their entry into NATO didn't "provoke" an invasion. We didn't tell any of them "No...we don't want to provoke Putin".

Russia had a crystal-clear path that would have made ALL of this unnecessary. Instead, as seems to be their nature, they bowed to and embraced a dictator. So, if we want to lay blame for Ukraine, we can go back long before Ukraine was an issue. It's an ever-receding target. Or we can just see the invasion for what it actually is - a land grab by a power-hungry criminal who thought it would be an easy, quick win.

You just spent a lot of time trying to prove ... what? Nothing you said changes what I said which, for the umpteenth time, goes like this:

1. Russia was provoked.
2. The provocation, while real, did not justify Russia's invasion and continuing war against Ukraine.
3. Russia's war against Ukraine is a criminal war.

I don't understand why people like you find it hard to accept #1. I can only attribute it to you not knowing the history, not paying attention, or being to immersed in some echo chamber that rejects the facts about the provocation.

 

[MichaelKeller99]

You just spent a lot of time trying to prove ... what? Nothing you said changes what I said which, for the umpteenth time, goes like this:

1. Russia was provoked.
2. The provocation, while real, did not justify Russia's invasion and continuing war against Ukraine.
3. Russia's war against Ukraine is a criminal war.

I don't understand why people like you find it hard to accept #1. I can only attribute it to you not knowing the history, not paying attention, or being to immersed in some echo chamber that rejects the facts about the provocation.

You're not allowed to have independent thoughts on HBOT, let alone have the audacity to share them. 👀

 

[pickr374]

I've often wondered what would have happened if Ukraine...when they became independent of Russia/Soviet Union..would have rejected the Wests proposal of giving up their nuclear arsenal in exchange for protection from the West, I think this was back in 1994?

Does Putin attempt what he did if he is literally staring at an attack that could easily hit him and obliterate him, his palace, and a gazillion innocents that are being dragged into this war.

 

[tarheelbybirth]

You just spent a lot of time trying to prove ... what? Nothing you said changes what I said which, for the umpteenth time, goes like this:

1. Russia was provoked.
2. The provocation, while real, did not justify Russia's invasion and continuing war against Ukraine.
3. Russia's war against Ukraine is a criminal war.

I don't understand why people like you find it hard to accept #1. I can only attribute it to you not knowing the history, not paying attention, or being to immersed in some echo chamber that rejects the facts about the provocation.

Again, Ukraine was pursuing their own interests as a sovereign nation. They did nothing to provoke Russia other than not submitting to Putin's rule. They took no action against Russia that remotely rose to the level that could be considering provocative to a full-scale invasion. None. You could just as easily argue - and more accurately argue - that Ukraine was provoked to seek NATO membership by Putin's actions. Putin had a path that would have prevented all of this...make Russia a desirable neighbor and trading partner.

No matter how you try to couch it, blaming Ukraine for Russia's invasion...no matter how circumspect you try to be...is idiotic. As I said, it's just a stupid game of infinite regression. Be better.

 

[RileyHawk]

This is my position on Ukraine, as well - from the beginning. Russia was provoked, but the level of provocation does not justify the invasion and ongoing war.

What pissed me off in these many debates is that too many of my liberal friends deny that there was any provocation. While to many otherwise sensible conservatives here act like the level of provocation somehow justifies Russia's actions.

Those are our dominant echo chamber positions.

"Provoked" is a highly subjective term. An entity looking for provocation can easily find it. What was Russia's provocation for Crimea? Georgia? I'm sure you can find something that they consider provocation there as well.

 

[RileyHawk]

He signed a submitted confession to the N Koreans admitting to war crimes.

Probably the only honest thing he ever did.

He then betrayed the POW/MIA families of the Vietnam 'conflict'. Despicable, indeed.

View embedded media

National Alliance of Families POW/MIA - McCain and the POW Cover Up

McCain and the POW Cover-up The "war hero" candidate buried information about POWs left behind in Vietnam Research support provided by the Investigative Fund of The Nation Institute. This is an expanded version, with primary documents attached, of a story that appears in the October 6, 2008 issue

www.nationalalliance.org

No, he did not. You're completely wrong. Likely due to the propaganda you consume.

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/john-mccain-war-crimes/

Claim:
Senator John McCain admitted that he was a 'war criminal' and was pardoned by President Nixon for his crimes.
Rating:

False

 

[Hawk_82]

What’s Russia going to concede?

They will stop attacking Ukraine.
I don't know what the final details will be, and neither does anyone else yet. I'm sure you won't like this answer, but it's honest.

Biden was clearly on the side of Ukraine and he refused to talk to putin while in office. Biden believed in forcing pain on russia so they would have to give up. This strategy clearly has not worked well. Russia still invaded Ukraine, the biden sanctions dont seem to be hurting russia too bad.

Whereas Trump is talking to both sides. Putin claims one of his hard lines is that Ukraine doesn't join nato. that seems reasonable to me considering we would not want our enemy on the Mexico border either. putin seems to be ok with European troops on the border to protect Ukraine but trump said no us troops. this also seems like a win.

There are a lot of dynamics at play considering the long history between russia and Ukraine. there are people in Ukraine who consider themselves Russian and support putin.

Any solution will have winners and losers but I think Trump is the right person to negotiate peace. his priorities are to stop the killing and make sure the usa gets the best deal possible. I support this.

 

[Tiny Hands Trump]

They will stop attacking Ukraine.
I don't know what the final details will be, and neither does anyone else yet. I'm sure you won't like this answer, but it's honest.

Biden was clearly on the side of Ukraine and he refused to talk to putin while in office. Biden believed in forcing pain on russia so they would have to give up. This strategy clearly has not worked well. Russia still invaded Ukraine, the biden sanctions dont seem to be hurting russia too bad.

Whereas Trump is talking to both sides. Putin claims one of his hard lines is that Ukraine doesn't join nato. that seems reasonable to me considering we would not want our enemy on the Mexico border either. putin seems to be ok with European troops on the border to protect Ukraine but trump said no us troops. this also seems like a win.

There are a lot of dynamics at play considering the long history between russia and Ukraine. there are people in Ukraine who consider themselves Russian and support putin.

Any solution will have winners and losers but I think Trump is the right person to negotiate peace. his priorities are to stop the killing and make sure the usa gets the best deal possible. I support this.

Sure thing, Neville.

 

[B1GDeal]

They will stop attacking Ukraine.
I don't know what the final details will be, and neither does anyone else yet. I'm sure you won't like this answer, but it's honest.

Biden was clearly on the side of Ukraine and he refused to talk to putin while in office. Biden believed in forcing pain on russia so they would have to give up. This strategy clearly has not worked well. Russia still invaded Ukraine, the biden sanctions dont seem to be hurting russia too bad.

Whereas Trump is talking to both sides. Putin claims one of his hard lines is that Ukraine doesn't join nato. that seems reasonable to me considering we would not want our enemy on the Mexico border either. putin seems to be ok with European troops on the border to protect Ukraine but trump said no us troops. this also seems like a win.

There are a lot of dynamics at play considering the long history between russia and Ukraine. there are people in Ukraine who consider themselves Russian and support putin.

Any solution will have winners and losers but I think Trump is the right person to negotiate peace. his priorities are to stop the killing and make sure the usa gets the best deal possible. I support this.

You are so uninformed. Biden admin as well as the rest of Europe put sanctions on Russia AFTER they invaded Ukraine. And, everyone thought Russia would take Ukraine in days or weeks and here we are 4 years later and they still haven’t been able to do so. In fact, this whole gambit has shown the world that Russia isn’t as tough as everyone thought. They are far better off doing cyber attacks these days than using conventional military forces.

You are laughable… Russias concession will be no more attacks on Ukraine. That’s not a concession. Especially when they’ve already attacked them twice in the past decade. If I’m Ukrainian I do not trust Russia to honor any ceasefire agreement.

As for those in Ukraine that consider themselves Russian… read up on how/why they moved to the region. Russia has been moving people there for decades to assert dominance in the region. And I tell you what… if they feel so Russian they can go back home. Your stance would be like the US giving up Texas because so many there feel Mexican. That would never happen… those folks would be sent packing. So why would you suggest Ukraine just fold to Russian interests.

 

[MichaelKeller99]

No, he did not. You're completely wrong. Likely due to the propaganda you consume.

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/john-mccain-war-crimes/

Claim:
Senator John McCain admitted that he was a 'war criminal' and was pardoned by President Nixon for his crimes.
Rating:

False

You could have kept reading.

WALLACE: What did you do wrong in prison?

Sen. McCAIN: I wrote a confession. I was guilty of war crimes against the Vietnamese people. I intentionally bombed women and children.

WALLACE: And you did it because you were being tortured and you'd reached the end of the line?

Sen. McCAIN: Yes. But I should have gone further. I should have — I never believed that I would — that I would break, and I did.

 

[RileyHawk]

You could have kept reading.

WALLACE: What did you do wrong in prison?

Sen. McCAIN: I wrote a confession. I was guilty of war crimes against the Vietnamese people. I intentionally bombed women and children.

WALLACE: And you did it because you were being tortured and you'd reached the end of the line?

Sen. McCAIN: Yes. But I should have gone further. I should have — I never believed that I would — that I would break, and I did.

Yes - he wrote a confession at a time of weakness as a POW. He did not sign an admission to war crimes as you stated. There was no legal document, only the ramblings of a man being tortured.

You're misinformed yet again and your stance is despicable.