Got in a good discussion about this last night with an ISU friend.. both teams 7-5 Iowa wins head to head but Iowa State has one more better win.. Iowa State was more consistent team.. My argument was tie, he was sure Iowa states was Better! Discuss
Whose Season was Better?
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Probably ISU if you’re talking fans. Their fans are excited. Iowa fans are disappointed.
Who cares Iowa had a relatively average year and ISU had their best in what, a decade? We beat them at their place as well.
If your friend wants to believe that ISU had a better year than Iowa, then I'd let him or her believe that. Also, the bowl games haven't even been played yet so it's still too early to tell given they had the same record
If your friend wants to believe that ISU had a better year than Iowa, then I'd let him or her believe that. Also, the bowl games haven't even been played yet so it's still too early to tell given they had the same record
Get better friends
Seriously, when they beat us and end up 3-9 and we finish 8-4 they say they were better because they beat us. Now we have the same record and beat them but they feel they are better...like i said...get better friends
ISU exceeded expectations. Iowa either met or fell short of expectations.
Advantage ISU.
Advantage ISU.
I made this argument too! He was one of those fansGet better friends
Seriously, when they beat us and end up 3-9 and we finish 8-4 they say they were better because they beat us. Now we have the same record and beat them but they feel they are better...like i said...get better friends
This is a tough one in all honesty for the following reasons:
1) Iowa won head-to-head in Ames.
2) Iowa State had 2 signature wins; Iowa had one
3) Iowa State improved drastically this year after multiple losing seasons; Iowa took a step back this year.
4) Iowa State lost 3 of their last 4 games.
In short, I think it's a wash. But if I had to pick, I would give ISU a slight edge. Beating two Top 5 teams is rather impressive as is winning 7 games after only managing 11 wins the 4 prior seasons. Just my opinion.
1) Iowa won head-to-head in Ames.
2) Iowa State had 2 signature wins; Iowa had one
3) Iowa State improved drastically this year after multiple losing seasons; Iowa took a step back this year.
4) Iowa State lost 3 of their last 4 games.
In short, I think it's a wash. But if I had to pick, I would give ISU a slight edge. Beating two Top 5 teams is rather impressive as is winning 7 games after only managing 11 wins the 4 prior seasons. Just my opinion.
Not even close. The mouth breathers in Ames are whackin' it big time with a 7-5 season. In Iowa City, 7-5 is a disappointment.
But some things never change. You should see the beatching about the refs screwing them (once again) on cy-clod fanatic.
But some things never change. You should see the beatching about the refs screwing them (once again) on cy-clod fanatic.
This is a top five season in Iowa St history, and yet another disappointment for Ferentz. Better season for ISU mainly due to being historically the worst power five program.
Flawed premise. Program expectations couldn't get more different. They go 7-5 and are thrilled. We go 7-5 and it's a down season. They expect to lose, we don't.
If you look from an objective POV though... same record, Iowa won head-to-head, Iowa played tougher SOS.
If you look from an objective POV though... same record, Iowa won head-to-head, Iowa played tougher SOS.
Ya good analysis, from isu end, would have taken 7-5 at beginning of season. But losing 5 close games by only 25 points was disappointing.
Both teams should be better nextbyear.
Probably ISU had the better season. They beat 2 top 5 teams and far exceeded expectations. One more game to go for both though, and that may swing the pendulum the other way.
The difference is that ISU is happy to have won more than they lost and going to a bowl. We won some big games and pi$$ed away a few games and are going to a bowl, a typical year for us.
Good season for both. I actually think Iowa’s 7-5 with historic blowout of OSU was the better season, with all the youth we had playing on offense. I think ISU had some special seniors and could have had a historic year for ISU(9 or 10 wins). I cannot see them being better next year when losing NFL players Lazard, Lanning, and Campos, whom are extremely talented.
A 7-5 team in Ames is a season for the ages.
A 7-5 team at Iowa leads to a grumbling fanbase.
A 7-5 team at Iowa leads to a grumbling fanbase.
Here's my answer: Is it better to be a 3'5" midget or a 3'6" midget?
ISU had the better regular season. They had two marquee wins--one of them on the road--whereas Iowa only had one while playing at home. Plus, they were competitive in every game that they played. They also got robbed of a win against KSU today. Iowa was inconsistent all year, played ugly with a lot of mistakes in both wins and losses, bored us to death at times, and were humiliated at UW and at home against Purdue on senior day. It's pretty cut-and-dried for me.
I don't know how ISU fans do it. Campbell is probably gone after two years? Wanted: Brilliant young football coach with a great future who can deliver some success to Ames and then move on after a few years. That would drive me nuts as a fan.
Iowa had the better season with a way tougher schedule.
Just because Hawk fans are pissed with a 7-5 season doesn’t mean we had worse year. Being neutral, Iowa had the better season by a slim margin. The outcome in Ames is comparable to how slim Iowa’s better season was compared to ISU’s.
Just because Hawk fans are pissed with a 7-5 season doesn’t mean we had worse year. Being neutral, Iowa had the better season by a slim margin. The outcome in Ames is comparable to how slim Iowa’s better season was compared to ISU’s.
ISU fans would claim they were the better team if they beat Iowa and only won 3 games all year.
This year, I would say ISU was more consistent. They didnt have games like Wisky and Purdue where they didnt show up.
This year, I would say ISU was more consistent. They didnt have games like Wisky and Purdue where they didnt show up.
Tougher schedule? Iowa lost to four of the five ranked teams they played. ISU won 2 of the 3 ranked teams that they played, both of whom are currently in the top 10. Even if Iowa State played two more ranked teams and lost, they'd still have the better record against top 25 teams.
ISU didn't have a better season by a wide margin, but they were more competitive in all games they played. They didn't have any complete turds like Iowa had against UW and Purdue, games where they got absolutely whipped and then didn't even bother showing up against a very beatable opponent. ISU had one truly ugly half of football against WVU but made a valiant comeback in the second half that came up just short.
Don't use the ISU hatred to blind yourself to their success. Beating Oklahoma on the road? That was impressive, just as impressive as Iowa's shellacking of Ohio State at home for a night game. But they also beat TCU. Iowa has zero quality wins outside of Ohio State. It's a close call because Iowa won head-to-head, but in OT.
The major point, though, is that Iowa had a very mediocre season by its standards whereas this was Iowa State's high-water mark since either 2002 or 2003. And before that? I don't know how far back you'd have to go.If Campbell stays, though, and recruits well, he could legitimately turn that program around. Without Hayden Fry Iowa would be looking up at Minnesota. And Gary Barnett and Pat Fitzgerald rescued Northwestern from a century of ineptness. Bad programs can be turned around and Campbell is a guy who could do it if he stays for a while. I think he'd be a fool to jump to a bigger school like Florida or Tennessee because he'd get fired after three years if he didn't lead them to a divisional title in that time. Staying in the B12 he could actually make ISU an annual contender. We'll see.
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Iowa didn’t lose to ISU, Tex, WV, & K St. All average teams. So yeah, you kind of proved my point. Iowa had a way tougher schedule & lost to almost all top 25 teams & most of them on the road. Iowa had the better season whether Hawk fans want to admit it or not.
Iowa's SOS per Sagarin right now is #4 in the country.
ISU's is #21.
ISU's is #21.
Iowa State will be back in its "Pit of Misery" next year after Lazard, Kempt, Ryen, Lanning and Murdock have moved on. Montgomery is a good back but he would not start for most B1G teams and most B1G defenses would have taken him down from having 1000+ yards (granted Iowa's defense sucked the afternoon they played ISU and Montgomery should not have had that 36 yard run against Iowa nor 100+ yards that day in rushing... bad Iowa).
Iowa State will have to rebuilt its left side of the offensive line, its kicking and punting game, fix its QB situation (Trailer Park or Zeb Noland) and a few DL spots. ISU's saving graces are Hakeem Butler, David Montgomery and Deshaunte Jones. That's why I am more assured that Iowa State is more a mirage than an oasis in the Big 12. Campbell should leap while he can. Next year could be brutal.
Iowa State will have to rebuilt its left side of the offensive line, its kicking and punting game, fix its QB situation (Trailer Park or Zeb Noland) and a few DL spots. ISU's saving graces are Hakeem Butler, David Montgomery and Deshaunte Jones. That's why I am more assured that Iowa State is more a mirage than an oasis in the Big 12. Campbell should leap while he can. Next year could be brutal.
Perspective...
ISU goes 7-5, "Wow! Best season ever! Pay coach whatever he wants! Hawks suck!"
Iowa goes 7-5, "Meh. We suck. Fire Ferentz! We suck."
Disclaimer: I think both schools had good teams and good seasons this year. Next year could be a special one for Iowa. (see "could")
ISU goes 7-5, "Wow! Best season ever! Pay coach whatever he wants! Hawks suck!"
Iowa goes 7-5, "Meh. We suck. Fire Ferentz! We suck."
Disclaimer: I think both schools had good teams and good seasons this year. Next year could be a special one for Iowa. (see "could")
that osu win blows all away, probably one of the largest wins in the entire nation. but isu had a good year. surprised folks. I would say the osu win thing puts iowa over the top but barely
The reality is that PSU needed a TD on the last play of the game. Iowa wins and the only head line is Iowa beat #4 PSU. TCU should have beat ISU, but instead handed the ball over in the red zone multiple times. In the end, no one cares after a W.
Massey Composite currently has Iowa at #25, ISU at #31.
https://www.masseyratings.com/cf/compare.htm
https://www.masseyratings.com/cf/compare.htm
Depends upon the criteria. In terms of meeting expectations, it wasn't even close. In terms of black-and-white numbers, I think you have to go with ISU.
Two wins over top five teams, compared to one. Lost 5 games by a total 25 points, compared to 49. Worst loss was 10 points, compared to 24. Was in every game late into the fourth quarter, compared to not. Going into the final weekend still had a chance to make the league championship game, compared to didn't.
ISU was very, very close to a 9-3 season. In both the Iowa and Kansas State games, was in a position at the end that looked secure -- in both cases, had the lead with 2 minutes to go and the opponent deep in its own territory and couldn't close the deal.
I think beating Oklahoma at Norman -- the only loss OU had this season -- was at least as impressive as blowing out tOSU.
I'm going to concede because you are about to lose another head coach and that sucks for you. Happy Holidays.
so, do we know whatever happened with that isu QB? he kind of disappeared like bob stoops did. it was strange
He's been with the team. He was tweeting Thanksgiving-type things last week. If I had to bet the farm, I'd bet he'll be competing for the job next fall.
Of course, I have no farm, so there's that.
Still no indication of precisely what's the problem, but a couple of good sources swear it's medical, not involved with drugs or any other kind of illegal activity.
Imagine what their season would've been if he hadn't gone MIA after the meltdown vs. Texas. They were pinning their hopes for a magical season on having Park at QB. Lucky for them, they couldn't have been more wrong.
Well, yes and no. Park is a significantly better QB than Kempt or Noland. He stunk the place up against Texas, but considering what happened the next day, it's hard not to believe that his performance was a result of his problem, whatever the hell it might be.
A healthy Park might have meant one or two additional wins. We'll never know. If I had a brother, would he like cheese?
