As a Hawkeye fan I think we do too much chest thumping! We might say 7-5 is a disappointment but guess what Iowa's average record is Under Ferentz! You won't like the answer..
Whose Season was Better?
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But then you still have the NW and Purdue losses to explain. In addition, the offensive debacle in Madison (66 total yards of offense).
Mediocre year for Iowa, far better than the dimwits that predicted 4-8 but still less than the 8-4 I predicted.
On the other hand, 7-5 nears the best season ever. With no time on the clock the Clowns still had a chance to have tie their other 9 win season. Then they did what the Clowns do: release the other team's best receiver in the back of the end zone to catch the game winner standing all alone.
They do have some valid complaints but....its funny when it happens to the Clowns.
On the other hand, 7-5 nears the best season ever. With no time on the clock the Clowns still had a chance to have tie their other 9 win season. Then they did what the Clowns do: release the other team's best receiver in the back of the end zone to catch the game winner standing all alone.
They do have some valid complaints but....its funny when it happens to the Clowns.
Now you know what we've been talking to you about for the past five or six years.
How many wins did you have over the past five or six years?
7.47 wins/year. If you take away his first two seasons, in which he was left with Division II talent to work with, amazingly winning 4 games, it's 8.12 wins/year.
So, even with a bowl win, Iowa still falls below his average over 17 years of being an established coach in the program.
We could nitpick over numbers all day, but the bottom line is that for a number of reasons, the 7-5 record being only part of it, I think most Iowa fans would say this was a disappointing season overall, despite a couple of really fun wins.
According to almost every SOS I have looked at Iowa is in the top five for most difficult schedules: Non coference- Wyoming 7 wins, NT playing for conference title with 9 wins, and ISU 7 wins. Crossover Big Ten was top 3 teams: OSU, PSU, and MSU. Also played undefeated Wisonsin, ranked NW, and bowl eligible Purdue. Only teams not bowl eligible= Minnisota, Nebby, and Illinois. Not to mention head to head victory over ISU on the road. If you go buy objectivity Iowa would be "more successful" season, however; I think ISU is probably pretty jacked to get to a bowl game, Iowa fans will be jacked to win one. I think ISU exceeded expectations more so than Iowa, but Iowa exceeded or met most "reasonable" expectations for this year.
But this wasn't a great iowa team... our 10 win seasons would still have been 10 win seasons.
Tougher schedule does not equal better season. Do you think Iowa State loses to Purdue at home? Do they lose to NW and Michigan State? Do you know that for sure? ISU has an offense, they could play with either one of those teams and beat them. Both MSU and NW are overrated as it is. Why is Michigan State ranked? Because they beat Penn State at home the week after Penn State suffered an emotional loss. But they lost to NW. They beat an unranked Michigan team. They beat the crappy teams in their division: Indiana, Rutgers, Maryland. They beat a mediocre Iowa at home. If MSU and NW get matched up against good PAC12, ACC, or SEC schools, they will lose and once again the so-called best conference in football will get exposed in bowl games yet again.
I have no dog in the fight when it comes to whether ISU had a good season, but I can't for the life of me understand why people wouldn't be saying that they had a good season with the quality wins they had. They also got robbed against KSU. That was a terrible call.
Anyway, I think I'm done. It's pretty clear that people are set in their beliefs about who had the better season so there's no point for me to continue participating in this thread.
Well, someone pointed out the hawks have the #4 SOS, and you've identified we should now understand that you're used to that (and presumably the struggles that come with it). Well, we're used to winning 7 games and still did despite the SOS, you guys hadn't (averaged over the last five or six years), so I guess my point was I don't know what you've been talking about the last five or six years.
I apparently wasn't clear. What I've been talking about the last five or six years is that Iowa's schedule has not been very strong. This year it was. My comment didn't really have anything directly to do with ISU.
'clones. Not a tough call.
Hawks have one good win and finish right about their average for the season. On target with where most objective observers had them pegged.
'clones have two huge upsets, winning record for the first time in years, were actually a factor in the big xii for the first time in ages, will go to a bowl game, far exceed objective expectations. The story of the year in the big xii.
Hawks have one good win and finish right about their average for the season. On target with where most objective observers had them pegged.
'clones have two huge upsets, winning record for the first time in years, were actually a factor in the big xii for the first time in ages, will go to a bowl game, far exceed objective expectations. The story of the year in the big xii.
I counted around 16 off of their two deeps are gone next year, so yeah, this was the year for them to do something.
I would agree based on expectations Iowa State would be more satisfied with its season. Iowa's wasn't bad. Being 7-5 with the schedule Iowa ended up having (we didn't know Michigan State, Iowa State would be that good) makes the season "okay". Some missed opportunities. The optimist says that the new QB, new receivers, freshmen o-tackles and new TE's all gained valuable experience. Schedule is likely easier next year and division title not out of the question. But that's the optimistic view. Perception will depend on how the bowl game goes.
No, let's be honest. Your comment was typical of ISU fans that say "well, if we played Iowa's easy schedule, we'd have more wins" and you say that difficult schedule is the reason you didn't have more than 3 wins. Iowa had that tough schedule, and as has been pointed out, Iowa won 7 games still.
If over the last 5-6 years as you say, ISU fans could make a similar argument, you'd be more like a perennial 7-5 team.
Also recall what "you" (meaning ISU fans) have said in years you've beaten Iowa - We won the game, we're better than you.
You never know though - Campbell is raising the standard, literally. It reminds me a bit of Kirk's season in 2001, and remember nobody saw 2002 coming at all... Those players that do return now have a taste of winning and will want to get there again. They might even expect to win a few more games now. Emotion is a big thing in college football.
I'm glad Iowa gets to host them next year and gets to do so early in the year when many of the new players are still figuring things out in live action. But, one thing I know for sure - somehow ISU brings in good WRs and has done so since 2000, so while these new guys won't play to the level of Butler and Lazard, I don't think they'll be terrible either. Montgomery is one of the best backs I've seen in this state, which perhaps sounds outrageous, but he's amazing and he'll only be a junior next year.
I looked it up once, but if a program consistently went 7-5 for a winning percentage of .583 that program would rank about 38th all time.
EDIT - and if you could go 8-4 every year (which is apparently what Hawk fans expect as a minimum?) you'd be the 13th best program all time.
EDIT - and if you could go 8-4 every year (which is apparently what Hawk fans expect as a minimum?) you'd be the 13th best program all time.
Stop with facts. I have my preconceived notions and want to stick to them. Sarcasm alert.
Butler is a junior. Deshaunte Jones is a sophomore. All the running backs are underclassmen. Saturday the OL started two sophs and a freshman.
This wasn't supposed to be a bowl year. Next year was supposed to be the "breakthrough" season. It's just hard to figure some things. For instance, now that the season's over, an obvious question is how are we going to replace Lanning? Prior to the season, nobody thought he was going to amount to diddly-squat. Will Park be back for his senior season....healthy?
All things considered, next year's team should be better than this one. And this one was awfully close to having one hell of a season.
I was impressed by what Campbell did. Got the team to play defense and show an identity. Don't know what the issues with Park were, but having him removed seemed to give the Cyclones a boost in terms of everyone being on the same page. Iowa State looked more like a real team than they have at any point since I'm old enough to remember (going back to the 1980s).
No, my belief is you were simply caught making the statement that most Cyclone fans have made, without thinking through what it really means.
But, since you claim otherwise, here's your opportunity to tell us what you really meant by it? Seriously, I respect your presence on this board and generally agree with you, but I think you went down the wrong path here and obviously struck a nerve with me! I know you don't speak for all Cyclone fans and I also know that the general Cyclone fan opinion isn't necessarily shared by you, but in general there's way too many examples of ISU fans wanting to have it both ways - they lose to Iowa and proclaim to be better overall, or they beat Iowa and go on to suck but still claim they're better overall. Often times "schedule" is the reason.
I didn't realize that. He's quality for sure. ISU has a lot of pieces in place for 2018 then. Probably won't sneak up on as many teams, but the offset of this is they will have higher expectations in their locker room going forward.
I think you have to wait till the end of the bowl season. Too close to call at this point. If both teams win then it is Iowa with a slight edge for winning the head to head and same goes if they both lose.
The most relevant outcome of ISU's season is that their HC is now a big blip on the national radar.
I want to be the midget that curbstomped nebby 2 years straight. We had the better season.
Yet iowa
Uh, iowa still went 7-5 and could have easily been 9 and 3. All that with a brand new QB, new OC with zero experience, 2 freshman tackles (1 a true freshman) and the worst receiving Corps in the B1G.
So, thank you for making all of our points that Iowa State is simply whining and are wrong that Iowa wouldn't be as good if they played a b12 schedule. LOL
