1. AAU accreditation
2. Value to B1G [research, academics, and athletics (TV rev. & footprint)]
2. Value to B1G [research, academics, and athletics (TV rev. & footprint)]
Which 2 teams is the Big 10 looking to add right now and go to a 4 division conference?
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And they lost their AAU accreditation one year after being admitted to the B1G. Were told to regain it and still haven’t.
In the state of Nebraska. 😉 Iowa doesn’t take a back seat to the fuskers. I see Hawkeye signs, etc from coast to coast.
Texas has a bunch of them. Down on South Padre this weekend ran into even more…a bunch of Hawkeye (and Ohio State) fans.
Weird, I was in a Phoenix Walmart picking up a rotisserie chicken yesterday and saw a guy wearing a Huskers ball cap.
I guess I don’t see the point to this post
I think the real answer now is "whoever Fox wants them to add." There's just too much money involved. They will only add a school whose ratings/following will increase the value/payment to all current schools. So can't be a "mid" P4 school.
I read B1G actually wanted to bring in Stanford & Cal, but Fox vetoed as that would reduce their payments to current member schools (since Stanford/Cal media ratings and value are relatively low.) So only fairly big time names will move the needle now, or maybe some great new market area or huge fan base I don't know.
I agree. Value is one half; AAU is the other.
The conferences will get to at least 24 teams no later than 2035 due to the ACC media deal. That'll probably go away earlier than that though and if it does, look out! This could be soon. B12 better hope FSU, or any other team trying to get out, doesn't succeed, because as soon as that happens, they're dead. All major ACC members are currently trying to get out of the media deal now btw. They've already tried to force the issue with 6-7 of the teams but I suspect it'll happen before 2028.
ISU has very, very, very, very, very minimal chance of getting in the B1G. The conference doesn't want to weaken their own current team in a small population state with already minimal metropolitan areas so no gain there as Iowa already controls the state. ISUs only option is the SEC.
So would the SEC take ISU before FSU, Miami, Clemson, Georgia Tech, SMU, BYU, Arizona, ASU, Oklahoma St., Utah, Baylor, Houston, TCU, Texas Tech and many more to get to 24? Especially with many of these other teams being more of a fit with SEC already, which can't hurt. I highly doubt it but it's their only chance.
The hopes that fans of teams like ISU need to start having is that the conferences go to 32 rather than just 24. Then maybe, they'd have a shot even within the B1G. 100+ years of futility really bites you in the ass for moments like this but if 32 is the magic number for the AFC/NFC divide, I can finally see the B1G accepting a team with paltry numbers but a geographic fit.
The next 6 teams in the B1G I see are:
ND - already prepared to come (guaranteed)
Duke - doesn't fit the SEC
UNC - doesn't fit the SEC
Stanford - should already be in but will be later
Cal - should already be in but will be later
Kansas - regional top choice
Another option is Pitt only because their location, history, media market, and the high population of the state.
You may ask, why didn't we take Cal and Stanford before only to take them later. The answer is the next media deal being aware of them incoming and accounting for it. No other options for them but they'll be in at some point because the B1G wants them. Stanford holdup may be to try and entice ND further in a last ditch effort but I doubt that'll be needed as ND is fully starting to come to grips that they'll have to join.
It's all pretty obvious really.
ISU has very, very, very, very, very minimal chance of getting in the B1G. The conference doesn't want to weaken their own current team in a small population state with already minimal metropolitan areas so no gain there as Iowa already controls the state. ISUs only option is the SEC.
So would the SEC take ISU before FSU, Miami, Clemson, Georgia Tech, SMU, BYU, Arizona, ASU, Oklahoma St., Utah, Baylor, Houston, TCU, Texas Tech and many more to get to 24? Especially with many of these other teams being more of a fit with SEC already, which can't hurt. I highly doubt it but it's their only chance.
The hopes that fans of teams like ISU need to start having is that the conferences go to 32 rather than just 24. Then maybe, they'd have a shot even within the B1G. 100+ years of futility really bites you in the ass for moments like this but if 32 is the magic number for the AFC/NFC divide, I can finally see the B1G accepting a team with paltry numbers but a geographic fit.
The next 6 teams in the B1G I see are:
ND - already prepared to come (guaranteed)
Duke - doesn't fit the SEC
UNC - doesn't fit the SEC
Stanford - should already be in but will be later
Cal - should already be in but will be later
Kansas - regional top choice
Another option is Pitt only because their location, history, media market, and the high population of the state.
You may ask, why didn't we take Cal and Stanford before only to take them later. The answer is the next media deal being aware of them incoming and accounting for it. No other options for them but they'll be in at some point because the B1G wants them. Stanford holdup may be to try and entice ND further in a last ditch effort but I doubt that'll be needed as ND is fully starting to come to grips that they'll have to join.
It's all pretty obvious really.
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Oh, are they? If that's the case then another notch for them in consideration.
I'm guessing a Florida school(Miami or FSU) and B1G has been looking at UNC for years.
If a school was ever removed from the Big Ten it would be for academic/research reasons, not because someone doesn't have a brand in football. Research revenue by itself is at least 8X what sports bring in for the Big Ten. So Nebrasks is obviously the only school that could be at risk given it lost its AAU status.
That being said, nobody is getting removed from the Big Ten. It's a waste of time to even debate it.
I can't find the link, but I thought one of the uppers at the BIG said were it done now, Debby would not be invited. I know at the time Missouri was trying hard to get that invite.
If the conference was moving to 20 schools, it would make sense to add one more school in the west so that a pod system of 5-teams could be created. 5-team pods work well for football as you can play your own pod and one other for a 9-game schedule. No more unbalanced schedules.
And thus, if they did add a west team, the AAU members are Stanford, Colorado, Arizona St, Utah, Cal, and Arizona. I think the last two have no chance due to terrible fan support. Stanford would be the first choice of the BIG Presidents. But the AD's are the ones that would be asking for a school to be added - would they rather go after the state of Arizona, Colorado, or Utah over adding another California school? Or would they actually want the overall athletic success Stanford brings - even if the fan base sucks?
The second team is also a difficult question. No idea how they'd prioritize. Assuming ND is off the table, I can't imagine FSU gets added without AAU status. And would North Carolina leave behind NC State and Duke for another conference? A&M isn't off the table as a possibility - their fan base would love to get away from Texas and the BIG would be a massive upgrade academically compared to the SEC. The BIG would be very happy to have a footprint in the #1 state for football recruiting. Miami is clearly an option - but that's quite a travel commitment. I don't think schools like Pitt, Georgia Tech, and Boston College bring enough revenue to be considered. But maybe Virginia because of proximity and population? Plus, it's a large state. Too bad their fan base sucks as well...
I think it's common Nowledge that Nebraska wouldn't be added today due to losing AAU status. The presidents would never approve it.
Pitts been brought up before, and PSU is steadfast against that ever happening and has been pretty clear about that...
I think the old narrative that the SEC is a downgrade academically isn't true anymore. Adding A&M, Texas, and the massive uptick at UF makes it fairly legitimate. None of mentions Vandy.
His point is had they lost their AAU accred the year previous they would not have been admitted. It always been a B1G standard and their the only non accredited school in the B1G.....
If we were looking to pluck from other conferences these would be my preferences:
Miami
UNC
Florida St
UVA
ASU
Arizona
Miami
UNC
Florida St
UVA
ASU
Arizona
Of course it's true. The two conferences aren't close. Especially in research - where the big money is. And it's even a greater disparity now that the BIG added the former PAC schools. See the list here for research spending by school:
Research spending by school
A&M is the top school in the SEC for research spending. (7 BIG schools spend more) So A&M being added to the Big Ten Acadmic Alliance would be a huge win for them - and us.
I am not sure you understand how research money is acquired. Being in a conference does not mean you will get more money.
??? Clearly your odds of increasing research funding improves when you're in an academic consortium -- especially as a member of the largest academic research consortium by far. For example, the Big Ten Cancer Research Consortium increases the funding for all of the schools in the conference that participate.
To put this back on you - are you really going to argue that being in the Big Ten Academic Alliance won't improve your stature and availability to research grants?? I know you still have to compete for many/most grants, but are you really going to argue your odds of receiving them don't go up when you're working with the nation's premiere academic alliance?
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Not at all, there is an institutional component, but that has nothing to do with receiving funding from nsf or NIH, and being in the big ten has no affect on that.
As a person with experience on the government side of reasearch funding - I can tell you this is absolutely incorrect. Association with a group of institutions that collaborate on research can exponentially increase your odds of receiving funding. Of course there are a number of other factors, schools like Johns Hopkins are going to be able to be competitive without any help, but for most schools the collaboration component is a huge selling point on an application. From the increase in resources, the sharing of libraries and expertise, to the additional states receiving funding (the political win) - it's a huge selling point.
As a researcher that applies for funding, panels do not work this way, and you are directly incorrect.
Forgot about Virginia. Yeah, the B1G would be a match.
Iowa State Adds zero value. Nobody cares about the atate of Iowa. We are lucky to be in the BIG 10. Assi g the clowns to the BIG would be a real head scratcher from a value standpoint.
