Why do appliances completely suck now days?
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LOL, I did the same thing with our dryer about 6 months ago when the drying time suddenly doubled. Did some research at YouTube University, got really high with some dank tasty bud and jumped right into the project. Diagnosed the problem, ordered the part online for $15 and a week later it was working like new. I’m definitely not as organized or deliberate as you though Joe, but I got the same result and a lot of satisfaction afterwards.
The internet is good for something.
I was just about to post about Speed Queen. Highly, highly recommend.
Most of the tech in your appliances is 1950s era stuff (aside from control boards)
And unless you have a power surge that fries electronics, the most common failure on those boards is a $5-10 relay. If you know anyone w/ a soldering iron and a voltmeter and a DC power supply, those are not hard at all to source and replace, either.
Pretty uncommon for control boards to go bad - it is generally a sensor or relay somewhere. Dryers have 2-3 thermal sensors, so you do need to know what normal resistance values are for those, which you can find online. It's a lot easier w/ the internet to find videos/manuals/info.
Best trick I've learned from service techs on Youtube, is hooking up my leaf blower to my dryer vent to clean it out. Absolute genius.
That would be great if I needed a new washer/dryer.
But I need a new range apparently.
Okay, I just blew my leaf blower at my range and it still displays F5.
Most of the stuff that breaks can be fixed pretty easily. In fact, in over 20 years, the only appliance I’ve had go down that I couldn’t fix was a microwave. I guess I also had a 2009ish era Toshiba television bite the dust in 2023, but it was used as an outdoor TV for the last 4 years of its life with nothing but a porch overhang to protect it.
Child labor capitalusm with great grandparents. FDR for you parents.Ronald Reagan trickle down.
If you can find replacement, or equivalent coolant.
I think there are swap ins for R12 and R22; not sure if they work quite as well.
Just grabbed a beer out of the old dorm fridge in the garage. It was my brother's and survived the University of Iowa back in the late 90s/early 2000s.
Just a tip for when your washer and dryer inevitably shit the bed in a couple years😉
Yep, we have a SZ fridge and a Wolf induction cooktop. Also a Thermador double oven. I will say the warranty and customer service at Wolf/SZ is terrific.
Because it’s not a good business model to make things that last forever or can be repaired.
Also, consumers have changed, they are more caught up with the style than longevity of the appliances. Hell, even if they lasted forever, Americans would get rid of them because they aren’t the latest style.
Also, consumers have changed, they are more caught up with the style than longevity of the appliances. Hell, even if they lasted forever, Americans would get rid of them because they aren’t the latest style.
Come to think of it, my dorm fridge from when I went to college 2000 to 2004 still cools drinks in my dad's garage. Yet the fridge that we bought when we got married in 2010 for our house crapped out like 5 or 6 years ago and I had to get a new one.
Granted the dorm fridge is a lot smaller than a full sized one. Is it possible smaller fridges last longer?
It's an extremely competitive sales market,.. Current mass produced appliances are designed right to the edge of functionality. Repairability is no longer a major consideration. Controls in particular are overly sophisticated and commonly subject to failure...
We're not anti-free market. . . the problem is that many companies have become far more interested in stock market moves than about building quality products.
Boeing literally took money from quality control and spent it on stock buybacks. Because that inflated the stock price which of course made the current CEO look great to the shareholders. It wouldn't surprise me if the manufacturers of these products did the same thing.
It's hilarious to me that you notice and complain about the drop in quality of our products, especially in terms of how long they last but you ascribe no blame to the companies that build these products and get mad that anyone dare suggest that the way that America has done business for the last 40 years is F***** up.
That's why people who want long lasting products buy them from freaking Asia.
I think this is a bit of "blame the consumer"-ism. I call BS re appliances, some may want the latest and greatest, but I bet most folks just want quality sturdy devices that work.
My mom and dad purchased an Amana radar range decades ago. (Microwave) when my mom was forced to sell the house and move into a care facility it was still there and was working great.
My new home in 2010 came with an over the range microwave 36 inches. It broke in 5 years and they no longer make 36 inch models. I had to replace it with an exhaust hood.
My new home in 2010 came with an over the range microwave 36 inches. It broke in 5 years and they no longer make 36 inch models. I had to replace it with an exhaust hood.
True, people used to repair toasters when they went bad. Now you just order another one on Amazon and have it there yesterday.
Yeah I don't know anyone who owns a fridge or a washer/dryer that can connect to the internet. I know they exist and that they sell them. But I don't know anyone who owns one.
Not to hijack the thread but with modern appliances unplugging them for 5 to 10 minutes fixes a lot of problems. Rebooting the computer.
There's also a way to get them to perform a "self diagnostic" that isn't in the manual. I recomend looking at youtube for that.
My dishwasher's heating element wasn't working. Figured out (through youtube) that if you pressed all the options 3 times in succession it'd go into to self diagnostic/fix mode. Lasted for about an hr...
Fixed the problem.
Manual was telling me to check connections etc....
There's also a way to get them to perform a "self diagnostic" that isn't in the manual. I recomend looking at youtube for that.
My dishwasher's heating element wasn't working. Figured out (through youtube) that if you pressed all the options 3 times in succession it'd go into to self diagnostic/fix mode. Lasted for about an hr...
Fixed the problem.
Manual was telling me to check connections etc....
When consumers make reliability a priority again, then the companies will. It’s easy to blame the corporations, a lot harder to look in the mirror.
Miele is very good. CSB.Miele:
Miele is excited to announce that all dishwashers and tumble dryers have been designated as the Most Efficient ENERGY STAR certified products in 2022. Products that are recognized as the Most Efficient of ENERGY STAR in 2022 prevent greenhouse gas emissions by meeting rigorous energy efficiency performance levels set by the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency.
Miele Appliances Recognitions | Miele
Find out about the most recent recognitions Miele appliances have received including Energy Star and more.
I went into a battery plus store to look for new battery for my boat. There was a lifepo 12v on the shelf priced at $899. When I questioned the price , the young salesman said “it has blue tooth and a really cool app “. I said to him “maybe that is why it’s so expensive “. He gave me that “oh boomer” look, I gave him that “ you’re a dumb fvck look” and left.
I'd ask why a battery needs blue tooth but I also don't understand why a washer and dryer need to connect to the internet.
I think someone once told me that the washer and dryer could like send a message to my phone to let me know it was done with it's cycle. Wow that's totally useful to know given that I'm not home to switch the laundry anyways.
And the computerized controls.
I have a 40 year old Jenn Air garage frig that keeps humming along.
My 5 year old Whirlpool frig in the kitchen is starting to flake on me.
My Samsung dryer is four years old and has already had a $380 repair.
My GE washer is three years old and every so often I have to just unplug it for 15-20
Minutes to let it reset so it will start up after I set the cycle I want.
Yes things are not made well anymore. We got a washer and dryer just after we got married in 1971 and made four moves around the country with them before we had to replace them in 1987. No such luck today!
