Why?

[Section25]

Easy to say when none of those possibilities would impact you or your love ones' lives. I doubt @TarponSpringsNole @Huey Grey @Gimmered @InsaneHawkJJP and probably many other HBOT members think it's so frivolous.

None of the people in the LGBTQ community that I see on a daily basis are stressed. I show them this message board, the comments, they read the rhetoric and laugh.

This board has decided if you are in the LGBTQ community you are Democrat. Sorry, over half of the humans I know are republican or independents. I met most because my brother who was a doctor was gay. I say was because he passed away six years ago. I had made lifelong friendships with his friends, their friends, their friends etc.

To put the LGBTQ community in a box and say they are one party or the other is about as narrow minded as it is dumb. To say all of the LGBTQ community wanted marriage rights is just as narrow. I have many friends that have stayed partners and have never married. They will openly tell you it did not change the rights they have always had as most common law marriage covered those rights. They lived together and shared bank accounts co-mingling money that allowed them to be common law. Were they glad marriage law changed? Hell yes, but it was not earth shattering for them.

I have six friends who are partners that one is republican and one is democrat. They laugh and handle it better than 99% of this message board. Lots of people here pigeon hole LGBTQ and sensationalize it. Get over yourselves, they are HUMAN.

 

[gohawks50]

None of the people in the LGBTQ community that I see on a daily basis are stressed. I show them this message board, the comments, they read the rhetoric and laugh.

This board has decided if you are in the LGBTQ community you are Democrat. Sorry, over half of the humans I know are republican or independents. I met most because my brother who was a doctor was gay. I say was because he passed away six years ago. I had made lifelong friendships with his friends, their friends, their friends etc.

To put the LGBTQ community in a box and say they are one party or the other is about as narrow minded as it is dumb. To say all of the LGBTQ community wanted marriage rights is just as narrow. I have many friends that have stayed partners and have never married. They will openly tell you it did not change the rights they have always had as most common law marriage covered those rights. They lived together and shared bank accounts co-mingling money that allowed them to be common law. Were they glad marriage law changed? Hell yes, but it was not earth shattering for them.

I have six friends who are partners that one is republican and one is democrat. They laugh and handle it better than 99% of this message board. Lots of people here pigeon hole LGBTQ and sensationalize it. Get over yourselves, they are HUMAN.

Yes, LGBTQ people are not all part of one party. I never claimed they were. I'm glad your LGBTQ friends don't feel threatened. I not saying they or others should, but I understand the concern and don't think their feelings should be dismissed as stupid or silly.

 

[Colonoscopy]

Good friend (lesbian) of mine told me Monday that her wife thinks they are going to end up in a concentration camp with a Trump win. Hoping my bewildered look back at her didn't offend.

I have said this before. When Trump won in 2016, I had lunch with four female coworkers the following day. All of them were bawling, successful, smart, beautiful women, all bawling. Should also add we worked in a company with 40 employees, 36 of which were women, most of them held favorable status in the company in all age ranges.

I guess I don't get it.

There is a hysterical streak in lefty politics. Is what it is.

The worst thing I could imagine Trump and company doing would be to try to start meddling in healthcare related to trans issues like the states do.

 

[Gimmered]

They should.

I do understand that my trans child makes you feel uncomfortable. Really all I can say about it is **** your feelings.

 

[Gimmered]

Easy to say when none of those possibilities would impact you or your love ones' lives. I doubt @TarponSpringsNole @Huey Grey @Gimmered @InsaneHawkJJP @NoleATL and probably many other HBOT members think it's so frivolous.

My trans son actually talked his brother back off the ledge. The older brother is so concerned that it isn't safe here. My youngest helped by reminding it never was. Nothing has changed.

We are divided, but not 50/50. 25% of the people hate my child. 25% support my child. 50% really don't give a shit about anything.

 

[Urohawk]

This just seems stupid to me.

LGBTQ+ crisis helplines seeing record calls following Donald Trump US election win

The Rainbow Youth Project has surpassed its usually monthly quota in just six days, with one teen revealing they had made a suicide pact should Trump win

www.attitude.co.uk

So you don't think there is an issue with government regulating trans care?
1. Multiple republican states have placed bans on adolescent care. I haven't seen a bunch of trans patients and parents come out in support of those pieces of legislation. You may disagree with it or have issues, but the patient's and their parents don't.

2. Much of failed state legislation attempted to ban trans care up to age 25 because of "lack of brain development and maturity". This is despite years of legal precedent that 18 is a age of consent and adulthood in the United States.

3. Trump banned transgender people from joining the military and kicked those on active duty out of the military. One of my patients had 15+ years of military service and their commanding officer filed a protest against their dismissal because they were an essential military asset with expertise. I wont' say more due to HIPAA issues but they were forced out despite a decorated military career. I just filed documents to medically clear a patient for military service who was going to join this month. They will likely be kicked out. What could be more American than serving in our country's military?

I could list more, but I think trans patients should be concerned about what this administration will do to trans care and trans rights.

Transgender Military Service in the United States

williamsinstitute.law.ucla.edu

 

[Urohawk]

They'll settle down when they realize how little changes in their day-to-day lives. The same as any Presidential election in the United States.

This is spoken by someone isolated enough that they don't encounter trans patients in their daily life.

 

[Hoosierhawkeye]

There is a hysterical streak in lefty politics. Is what it is.

The worst thing I could imagine Trump and company doing would be to try to start meddling in healthcare related to trans issues like the states do.

Again no other president has promised to round up his enemies with the military.

He also doesn't think disabled kid's lives are worth living.

Republicans have gone along with everything he's done even the clearly illegal stuff. And the SCOTUS bought him a bunch of time and gave him immunity from any conspiracy crime as long as he is conspiring with a member of his cabinet. He can literally tell his Sec of Defense to deploy the military and shoot all the liberals and he's completely 100% immune.

There is a good damn reason to be nervous. Republicans flipped out because the IRS was making tax filings on their groups more difficult. And no I don't support that I think that woman should have been fired with no retirement. But they flipped out over that. Now we have a president elect who is promising to round up his enemies.

 

[goldmom]

Easy to say when none of those possibilities would impact you or your love ones' lives. I doubt @TarponSpringsNole @Huey Grey @Gimmered @InsaneHawkJJP @NoleATL and probably many other HBOT members think it's so frivolous.

They have lived their lives as fellow human beings and no one rounded them up 2017-2020. I don’t recall any “I’m posting from my internment camp so this has to be quick” messages.
Is there anyone here who is secretly looking for the day when these people are rousted out of their homes and hustled off by uniformed troopers?
I often have differences of opinion on the issues but NEVER would I support such a thing and I’d in fact actively oppose it. I bet 99.9% of all posters here would too.
In fact why not ask if anyone on here DOES support such a thing?

 

[Hoosierhawkeye]

They have lived their lives as fellow human beings and no one rounded them up 2017-2020. I don’t recall any “I’m posting from my internment camp so this has to be quick” messages.
Is there anyone here who is secretly looking for the day when these people are rousted out of their homes and hustled off by uniformed troopers?
I often have differences of opinion on the issues but NEVER would I support such a thing and I’d in fact actively oppose it. I bet 99.9% of all posters here would too.
In fact why not ask if anyone on here DOES support such a thing?

And 8 years ago I would have thought that you and others wouldn't support a man who had attempted a coup. Yet here we are.

I have no reason to believe that you and others would actually oppose that shit when it actually comes to pass. You already rolled over for this man when he crossed the line before. Why should I think rounding up the libs would be the line for you?

The right repeatedly has shown there is no line with Trump. As long as it doesn't affect you.

My FIL has already started setting in his mind the reasoning that his children could get rounded up. Told my BIL that the Jews in Germany must have done something wrong for them to get rounded up. I'm sure he'll use that same reasoning if we get hauled off.

 

[goldmom]

This is spoken by someone isolated enough that they don't encounter trans patients in their daily life.

You’re in a field where you might, but frankly what percentage of your practice are trans persons?
If you say that’s private/MYOB that’s fine and reasonable.
I live my daily life and never think or care about who might be a trans person or who the cashier at Publix might be sleeping with at night. Why would that be any of my business? How does it affect the way they hand me my receipt and say have a nice day?

 

[goldmom]

And 8 years ago I would have thought that you and others wouldn't support a man who had attempted a coup. Yet here we are.

I have no reason to believe that you and others would actually oppose that shit when it actually comes to pass. You already rolled over for this man when he crossed the line before. Why should I think rounding up the libs would be the line for you?

I did not support his actions on 1/6 and didn’t vote for him this time, but if you feel like you need to keep believing that in order to continue wrapping yourself in your beliefs, that’s your choice. If it helps you to stay afraid, sad, misinformed and miserably angry then go ahead.

 

[Hoosierhawkeye]

I did not support his actions on 1/6 and didn’t vote for him this time, but if you feel like you need to keep believing that in order to continue wrapping yourself in your beliefs, that’s your choice. If it helps you to stay afraid, sad, misinformed and miserably angry then go ahead.

The person who is going to hold the most powerful office in the land in a couple months has promised to deploy the military against the "enemy from within" and he has EXPLICITLY listed wrong political views as what makes one "the enemy from within"

 

[goldmom]

The person who is going to hold the most powerful office in the land in a couple months has promised to deploy the military against the "enemy from within" and he has EXPLICITLY listed wrong political views as what makes one "the enemy from within"

If you CHOOSE to extrapolate that comment do you also buy any bridges someone wants to sell you?
Maybe more deep breaths will help?

 

[gohawks50]

They have lived their lives as fellow human beings and no one rounded them up 2017-2020. I don’t recall any “I’m posting from my internment camp so this has to be quick” messages.
Is there anyone here who is secretly looking for the day when these people are rousted out of their homes and hustled off by uniformed troopers?
I often have differences of opinion on the issues but NEVER would I support such a thing and I’d in fact actively oppose it. I bet 99.9% of all posters here would too.
In fact why not ask if anyone on here DOES support such a thing?

I don't think LGBTQ people will be put in internment camps (although some religious leaders suggested something similar during the AIDs crisis). I do think with the current Supreme Court gay marriage could be overturned. It was suggested by some justices opinions on Dobbs.

 

[jasonrann]

In reference to my earlier post, lesbian (no pic) coworker and wife are making plans to get out, passports, Mexico or Canada, etc. Luckily, by the time passports happen, they're going to see how ridiculous this is.

 

[Hoosierhawkeye]

In reference to my earlier post, lesbian (no pic) coworker and wife are making plans to get out, passports, Mexico or Canada, etc. Luckily, by the time passports happen, they're going to see how ridiculous this is.

I don't blame them. And I doubt they are going to see this as ridiculous. It's not like Trump is going to suddenly stop threatening law abiding Americans with detention camps.

 

[jasonrann]

I don't blame them. And I doubt they are going to see this as ridiculous. It's not like Trump is going to suddenly stop threatening law abiding Americans with detention camps.

Yup. We're fooked.

 

[Hoosierhawkeye]

Yup. We're fooked.

Hopefully Trump is just talking shit. But if he's not your friend accurately knows that she will be towards the top of the enemies list.

 

[jasonrann]

Hopefully Trump is just talking shit. But if he's not your friend accurately knows that she will be towards the top of the enemies list.

I dislike Trump, bigly, cannot stand him, he is a despicable human being. My thoughts on him are well noted here.

I will post here what I told my friend today. He said a bunch of shite to get votes, to do what he needed in order to get elected. Things will calm down and that will be it. He won't give two shites if people are pissed that he hasn't stopped illegal immigrant, multiple baby having trans shop lifter sprinters with a short leg.

People need to chill. It's done.

My Dad has been dead 10 years and as simple as he was, he has to be laughing and glad he checked out voluntarily when he did. We are fooked.

 

[gohawks50]

I dislike Trump, bigly, cannot stand him, he is a despicable human being. My thoughts on him are well noted here.

I will post here what I told my friend today. He said a bunch of shite to get votes, to do what he needed in order to get elected. Things will calm down and that will be it. He won't give two shites if people are pissed that he hasn't stopped illegal immigrant, multiple baby having trans shop lifter sprinters with a short leg.

People need to chill. It's done.

My Dad has been dead 10 years and as simple as he was, he has to be laughing and glad he checked out voluntarily when he did. We are fooked.

I assume you are a straight white man. It's easy to dismiss concerns about the Trump administration when verbal attacks haven't been leveled against you. Trump is probably blowing smoke, but he associates with others that have more solid beliefs.

What would you do if Trump's administration did start passing laws to make your friend's life more difficult?

 

[Hoosierhawkeye]

I assume you are a straight white man. It's easy to dismiss concerns about the Trump administration when verbal attacks haven't been leveled against you. Trump is probably blowing smoke, but he associates with others that have more solid beliefs.

What would you do if Trump's administration did start passing laws to make your friend's life more difficult?

And make no mistake, Trump will absolutely sign anything a Republican congress puts in front of him unless it was something that limited his power.

 

[jasonrann]

I assume you are a straight white man. It's easy to dismiss concerns about the Trump administration when verbal attacks haven't been leveled against you. Trump is probably blowing smoke, but he associates with others that have more solid beliefs.

What would you do if Trump's administration did start passing laws to make your friend's life more difficult?

I am a straight white man. That said, the majority of my friends since getting out of Iowa 30+ years ago lean left and it's important to me.

As for me, I try to be a good friend. My coworker friend told me of their plans, I listened and offered suggestions. Ultimately, it's their call, but I can't control it. Aside from that, I am not sure what I can do individually.

 

[gohawks50]

I am a straight white man. That said, the majority of my friends since getting out of Iowa 30+ years ago lean left and it's important to me.

As for me, I try to be a good friend. My coworker friend told me of their plans, I listened and offered suggestions. Ultimately, it's their call, but I can't control it. Aside from that, I am not sure what I can do individually.

Probably not much, but would you spreak out against it? Horrible things happen in places all over the world where nobody speaks up until it effects them personally. I'm guilty of looking the other way in real life as well because it's easier to go along and get along.

 

[Gimmered]

They have lived their lives as fellow human beings and no one rounded them up 2017-2020. I don’t recall any “I’m posting from my internment camp so this has to be quick” messages.
Is there anyone here who is secretly looking for the day when these people are rousted out of their homes and hustled off by uniformed troopers?
I often have differences of opinion on the issues but NEVER would I support such a thing and I’d in fact actively oppose it. I bet 99.9% of all posters here would too.
In fact why not ask if anyone on here DOES support such a thing?

In 2017 through 2020 women had the right make their own decisions regarding their reproductive rights. Today in many states those rights are restricted. Who created the change there?

Just because something didn't happen in 2018, doesn't mean it won't in 2026. I'm not sure where your disconnect is here.

 

[Gimmered]

If you CHOOSE to extrapolate that comment do you also buy any bridges someone wants to sell you?
Maybe more deep breaths will help?

So, since Mexico didn't pay for that wall we shouldn't worry about being the enemy within?

 

[IAFB2021Champs]

My trans son actually talked his brother back off the ledge. The older brother is so concerned that it isn't safe here. My youngest helped by reminding it never was. Nothing has changed.

We are divided, but not 50/50. 25% of the people hate my child. 25% support my child. 50% really don't give a shit about anything.

Guessing you instilled that into your kids to think the sky is falling. Like that video someone shared earlier today or yesterday where the mom was bawling telling her little kids trump won causing the kids to cry as well. These were little white kids who couldn’t have any fear in the world yet they were crying.

 

[goldmom]

In 2017 through 2020 women had the right make their own decisions regarding their reproductive rights. Today in many states those rights are restricted. Who created the change there?

Just because something didn't happen in 2018, doesn't mean it won't in 2026. I'm not sure where your disconnect is here.

I am not disconnected - I just don’t buy the emotional hand wringing. Are you worried you can’t get an abortion?

 

[Morrison71]

None of the people in the LGBTQ community that I see on a daily basis are stressed. I show them this message board, the comments, they read the rhetoric and laugh.

This board has decided if you are in the LGBTQ community you are Democrat. Sorry, over half of the humans I know are republican or independents. I met most because my brother who was a doctor was gay. I say was because he passed away six years ago. I had made lifelong friendships with his friends, their friends, their friends etc.

To put the LGBTQ community in a box and say they are one party or the other is about as narrow minded as it is dumb. To say all of the LGBTQ community wanted marriage rights is just as narrow. I have many friends that have stayed partners and have never married. They will openly tell you it did not change the rights they have always had as most common law marriage covered those rights. They lived together and shared bank accounts co-mingling money that allowed them to be common law. Were they glad marriage law changed? Hell yes, but it was not earth shattering for them.

I have six friends who are partners that one is republican and one is democrat. They laugh and handle it better than 99% of this message board. Lots of people here pigeon hole LGBTQ and sensationalize it. Get over yourselves, they are HUMAN.

You are living in a bubble. You see what you want and I’m glad you have people around you that feel like that.

But if you deny there are some in that community that are in fear, you are being ignorant and sticking your head in the sand.

 

[Urohawk]

You’re in a field where you might, but frankly what percentage of your practice are trans persons?
If you say that’s private/MYOB that’s fine and reasonable.
I live my daily life and never think or care about who might be a trans person or who the cashier at Publix might be sleeping with at night. Why would that be any of my business? How does it affect the way they hand me my receipt and say have a nice day?

In the past 0%. Now about 40%. Conversations come up about peoples lives that do not directly involve their health care. With my patients, I know who's got a kid on the high school football team, who's mother in law is sick, how business is going at their jobs. Conversations with everyday people. With my trans patients they are greatly distressed by the current political climate.

I find it disingenuous when @Kinnick.At.Night says they will find nothing is changed. I already stated examples of why that's not accurate. I bet a whole lot of women found their life suddenly different without full access to reproductive care. Some have more on the line or more at stake than others.

 

[gohawks50]

I am not disconnected - I just don’t buy the emotional hand wringing. Are you worried you can’t get an abortion?

Are you aware @Gimmered has a trans son? He's making a point that just because people have rights now doesn't mean they will keep them. It's insulting to dismiss his concerns, but then again what do you care their possible loss of rights wouldn't effect you or your loved ones.

 

[Gimmered]

I am not disconnected - I just don’t buy the emotional hand wringing. Are you worried you can’t get an abortion?

I'm worried that my daughter or granddaughter might not be able to receive the care they need, so there is that. Three years ago that wouldn't have been a worry at all.

It did take a whole lot of women in Nebraska to vote away their reproductive health care rights. That's on them. Somehow I don't think my trans son will get a voice in his restrictions. Am I worried? Not that much. Am I prepared to fight for him? Hell yes. I can't win a fair fight, but I won't fight to lose.

 

[SI_NYC]

My brother is a very successful CFP and he told me that one of his colleagues who is also experienced and successful came in to the office yesterday and was so distraught she had to leave. She and her wife are convinced that they will be rounded up and sent to a camp because they are lesbians.
It’s insane and frankly if she were my financial advisor I’d question her intelligence. And not feel confident about her financial advice.

If Trump didn’t oversee such an effort in his first four years why are they worried now?
It seems that people voted for him because they preferred his economic policies and his border policies.
We have serious issues in this country and why we squander energy on what private adult sleeping arrangements are is beyond me.

There are some people who are scared of what Trump is going to do. If we take him at his word, it’s terrifying what he’s about and what his focus is on. MAGA has a Handsmaid’s Tale cult vibe that freaks out non-MAGA. There is a deep-seated disappointment that America put such a vile man back in the WH.

 

[Gimmered]

There are some people who are scared of what Trump is going to do. If we take him at his word, it’s terrifying what he’s about and what his focus is on. MAGA has a Handsmaid’s Tale cult vibe that freaks out non-MAGA. There is a deep-seated disappointment that America put such a vile man back in the WH.

Really it has nothing to do with Trump. He's a blowhard making empty campaign promises that he has no intentions of keeping. It's the millions of emboldened idiots that follow him and believe his bullshit.

 

[SI_NYC]

Really it has nothing to do with Trump. He's a blowhard making empty campaign promises that he has no intentions of keeping. It's the millions of emboldened idiots that follow him and believe his bullshit.

I’m not sure you’re right about him but I hope you are.

 

[goldmom]

Are you aware @Gimmered has a trans son? He's making a point that just because people have rights now doesn't mean they will keep them. It's insulting to dismiss his concerns, but then again what do you care their possible loss of rights wouldn't effect you or your loved ones.

I’m fully aware and you’re (deliberately?) misinterpreting my comments.
I have absolutely ZERO issues with an adult decision about their bodies.
If Gimmered is offended I would anticipate his saying so and I hope my assurances as to my stance on the issue will be accepted as genuine.

 

[goldmom]

There are some people who are scared of what Trump is going to do. If we take him at his word, it’s terrifying what he’s about and what his focus is on. MAGA has a Handsmaid’s Tale cult vibe that freaks out non-MAGA. There is a deep-seated disappointment that America put such a vile man back in the WH.

I didn’t vote for either candidate - but I seriously don’t care for cult-like groups you (fairly) describe.
I also don’t care for the ultra-left groups who pushed a historically centrist guy to their frankly more extreme agenda.
The pendulum can swing pretty hard but a reset always makes it end up back to the center. And more groups that have been described as leaning liberal also thought this Administration had tilted a bit too far.
There’s a column in this morning’s WSJ that states the Country (and the Democrats) needs another Bill Clinton. Super smart, an able reader of the mood of the voters, and an ability to communicate and listen. Heck I’d vote for that.
I don’t think the VP is some evil person. I have just never been sold on her experience and ability. The Dems do have some good folks and the Party should find them, promote them, and use the next four years to make them the best candidate that the voters will have confidence in to run the country.

 

[gohawks50]

I’m fully aware and you’re (deliberately?) misinterpreting my comments.
I have absolutely ZERO issues with an adult decision about their bodies.
If Gimmered is offended I would anticipate his saying so and I hope my assurances as to my stance on the issue will be accepted as genuine.

Why did you make the snarky "Are you worried you can’t get an abortion?" statement then? Gimmered is a better person than me, he lets the anti trans vitriol roll off his back.

 

[Sharky1203]

You’re in a field where you might, but frankly what percentage of your practice are trans persons?
If you say that’s private/MYOB that’s fine and reasonable.
I live my daily life and never think or care about who might be a trans person or who the cashier at Publix might be sleeping with at night. Why would that be any of my business? How does it affect the way they hand me my receipt and say have a nice day?

 

[Urohawk]

I'm responding to people who say trans people shouldn't care. My point is most people don't know or work with a trans person and know nothing about their thinking. The majority of the public has minimal trans interaction or contact. A worker at a store, somone they encounter at a concert, etx. It's not someone you have an more in depth relationship with.

Most cons say they don't care about trans people but then turn around and vote for people who seem to care an awful lot. So much so they regulate their lives.

You're on the wrong side of history. Same way people rallied against blacks. Same way people rallied against gays and gay marriage. The world will pass you by, but for now you're stuck in your tribalism.