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I'm responding to people who say trans people shouldn't care. My point is most people don't know or work with a trans person and know nothing about their thinking. The majority of the public has minimal trans interaction or contact. A worker at a store, somone they encounter at a concert, etx. It's not someone you have an more in depth relationship with.

Most cons say they don't care about trans people but then turn around and vote for people who seem to care an awful lot. So much so they regulate their lives.

You're on the wrong side of history. Same way people rallied against blacks. Same way people rallied against gays and gay marriage. The world will pass you by, but for now you're stuck in your tribalism.
A small amount of people may think that way, but for the most part the majority don't really care. They only care when people get in their face about it. I could care less what people do, but I do care when people tell me how me or my kids have to live. I don't think anyone is rounding anyone up to put them in concentration camps, but I do think people have limits to what is acceptable, and pushing those limits is what is causing problems.
 
Why did you make the snarky "Are you worried you can’t get an abortion?" statement then? Gimmered is a better person than me, he lets the anti trans vitriol roll off his back.
Why don’t we let the G-man tell me that? He can DM me if he wants and we can speak about it.
 
Why don’t we let the G-man tell me that? He can DM me if he wants and we can speak about it.
I think Gimmered is fine, I'm asking for my own understanding of your thoughts why you made the snarky abortion comment?
 
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A small amount of people may think that way, but for the most part the majority don't really care. They only care when people get in their face about it. I could care less what people do, but I do care when people tell me how me or my kids have to live. I don't think anyone is rounding anyone up to put them in concentration camps, but I do think people have limits to what is acceptable, and pushing those limits is what is causing problems.
Tell your legislators not to regualte their lives. That's why people are vocal. The trans bathroom thing is a great example. It's blown up by the cons. Highly more likely a sex offender is in the male bathroom with your boys then a transwomen is going to assault your daughter in the women's restroom, yet we have laws for when people simply want to pee.
 
A small amount of people may think that way, but for the most part the majority don't really care. They only care when people get in their face about it. I could care less what people do, but I do care when people tell me how me or my kids have to live. I don't think anyone is rounding anyone up to put them in concentration camps, but I do think people have limits to what is acceptable, and pushing those limits is what is causing problems.
Don't you think parents of transgender kids feel the same way? If so, why is it okay for people to tell those parents what decisions they can make about their own children?
 
Tell your legislators not to regualte their lives. That's why people are vocal. The trans bathroom thing is a great example. It's blown up by the cons. Highly more likely a sex offender is in the male bathroom with your boys then a transwomen is going to assault your daughter in the women's restroom, yet we have laws for when people simply want to pee.
If you have a wee-wee you go to the men's. If you have a vee-vee you go to the women's. Don't push the envelope and people won't get upset. A very small minority shouldn't get made special privileges for them. They should be protected. That's how life works. So, if you want to be trans, by all means have at it. I have zero problems with that. When you force non-trans people to have to put up with stuff that is out of the norm, that's when people get pissed. Example, if you own a racecar, you don't drive it up and down neighborhoods disturbing people's lives legally (I know people do it but they are a-holes and usually get in trouble for it). Why is that? Well because you're supposed to drive it at race tracks.
 
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If you have a wee-wee you go to the men's. If you have a vee-vee you go to the women's. Don't push the envelope and people won't get upset. A very small minority shouldn't get made special privileges for them. They should be protected. That's how life works. So, if you want to be trans, by all means have at it. I have zero problems with that. When you force non-trans people to have to put up with stuff that is out of the norm, that's when people get pissed. Example, if you own a racecar, you don't drive it up and down neighborhoods disturbing people's lives legally (I know people do it but they are a-holes and usually get in trouble for it). Why is that? Well because you're supposed to drive it at race tracks.
Just remember that trans people are 4 times more likely to be victims of violence. Talk to some trans women who have been beaten up in the mens bathroom sometimes. I've met several.

That's all the discussion I'll have on this. Not much point in discussing further.
 
It's not like Trump's rhetoric helps much. He literally talks about this stuff at his rallies and then his supporters wonder why people are so afraid of him.

Now most likely he's just talking shit. But it's a little bit worrying when the person who's going to be the next president of the US talks about deploying the military against you.

Reagan never did this.
HW Bush Never did this
Bob Dole never did this
W Bush Never did this
McCain Never did this
Romney never did this

It's even more worrying when his party has watched him do corrupt things and break several democratic norms and has not only followed along but has helped him along the way. So there is no reason to think that if he did try to do something like this that the Republicans would try to stop him.
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I think Gimmered is fine, I'm asking for my own understanding of your thoughts why you made the snarky abortion comment?
She got a bit snarky cause she knew I was right. She's a pro choice lady that voted away that right by who she supports and then lost the vote to get the right back.
People like to believe that Trans won't lose rights, but then watch rights get stripped away from women, even when the majority support women's rights. What chance does a Trans have?
 
If you have a wee-wee you go to the men's. If you have a vee-vee you go to the women's. Don't push the envelope and people won't get upset. A very small minority shouldn't get made special privileges for them. They should be protected. That's how life works. So, if you want to be trans, by all means have at it. I have zero problems with that. When you force non-trans people to have to put up with stuff that is out of the norm, that's when people get pissed. Example, if you own a racecar, you don't drive it up and down neighborhoods disturbing people's lives legally (I know people do it but they are a-holes and usually get in trouble for it). Why is that? Well because you're supposed to drive it at race tracks.
Totally nailed it! My kid following me into a men's room and going into a stall to piss while were on a road trip is EXACTLY like someone driving a race car up and down the street.
 
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If you have a wee-wee you go to the men's. If you have a vee-vee you go to the women's. Don't push the envelope and people won't get upset. A very small minority shouldn't get made special privileges for them. They should be protected. That's how life works. So, if you want to be trans, by all means have at it. I have zero problems with that. When you force non-trans people to have to put up with stuff that is out of the norm, that's when people get pissed. Example, if you own a racecar, you don't drive it up and down neighborhoods disturbing people's lives legally (I know people do it but they are a-holes and usually get in trouble for it). Why is that? Well because you're supposed to drive it at race tracks.
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Why am I following your little girl into the bathroom? Cause you insist!
 
So you don't think there is an issue with government regulating trans care?
1. Multiple republican states have placed bans on adolescent care. I haven't seen a bunch of trans patients and parents come out in support of those pieces of legislation. You may disagree with it or have issues, but the patient's and their parents don't.

2. Much of failed state legislation attempted to ban trans care up to age 25 because of "lack of brain development and maturity". This is despite years of legal precedent that 18 is a age of consent and adulthood in the United States.

3. Trump banned transgender people from joining the military and kicked those on active duty out of the military. One of my patients had 15+ years of military service and their commanding officer filed a protest against their dismissal because they were an essential military asset with expertise. I wont' say more due to HIPAA issues but they were forced out despite a decorated military career. I just filed documents to medically clear a patient for military service who was going to join this month. They will likely be kicked out. What could be more American than serving in our country's military?

I could list more, but I think trans patients should be concerned about what this administration will do to trans care and trans rights.

Just curious…about what percentage of the population is considered transgender?
 
Anyone that has been on this board for a while knows that @TarponSpringsNole used to be a very conservative poster. She has changed at least her voting preference in the last few years due to the anti trans rhetoric. If nothing else the election shows that the country prefers the party that bans Drag Show Storytime, books from schools with gay characters, laws that prevent discussion of anything gay at school, etc. It's certainly a less than inclusive message from the GOP.
Yeah, the kids are much better off with a guy who pretends to give microphones a blowjob.
 
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Why does it matter?
Because if it’s very, very small (which I suspect it is) seems like this country is spending a lot of time/energy on this particular topic. I do know a transgender individual, who has his/her (whatever) struggles in life and she/he admits that it is essentially a mental health issue.
 
Because if it’s very, very small (which I suspect it is) seems like this country is spending a lot of time/energy on this particular topic.
I agree state legislatures are spending a lot of time, energy, and money creating laws to restrict rights for a very small population. Seems like there might be more pressing issues to worry about. Somehow I think your position is opposite. I imagine your point is why should the rest of us worry about taking away freedoms from a very small minority.
 
I think Gimmered is fine, I'm asking for my own understanding of your thoughts why you made the snarky abortion comment?
I don’t think it’s snarky at all. If you chose to take that stance, well, that’s your stance.
I don’t care to get in an argument.
 
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I don’t think it’s snarky at all. If you chose to take that stance, well, that’s your stance.
I don’t care to get in an argument.
Fine, but you knew Gimmered wasn't worried about needing an abortion. It certainly wasn't a serious post I hope.
 
They have lived their lives as fellow human beings and no one rounded them up 2017-2020. I don’t recall any “I’m posting from my internment camp so this has to be quick” messages.
Is there anyone here who is secretly looking for the day when these people are rousted out of their homes and hustled off by uniformed troopers?
I often have differences of opinion on the issues but NEVER would I support such a thing and I’d in fact actively oppose it. I bet 99.9% of all posters here would too.
In fact why not ask if anyone on here DOES support such a thing?

Trump has just stated that he is about to outlaw my adult child's treatment that has allowed him to lead a normal life for the last 2 years. So much for allowing adults to do as they see fit with their bodies. But since he didn't do this in 2017-2020 it will never happen right?

All of this because the **** your feelings crowd feel uncomfortable about trans.
 
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In 2019, 97% of all gender affirming breast reduction surgeries done on minors were done on cisgender boys. Under Trumps new rule, this will now be eliminated. The boys are just going to have to learn to live with boobs.
 
In 2019, 97% of all gender affirming breast reduction surgeries done on minors were done on cisgender boys. Under Trumps new rule, this will now be eliminated. The boys are just going to have to learn to live with boobs.
I'm finding out today that Trump voters don't even know what they voted for. Some were unaware he proposed shutting down the Department of Education. Another thought Trump's weave had something to do with his hair. The F your feelings crowd voted strictly on feelings.
 
I'm finding out today that Trump voters don't even know what they voted for. Some were unaware he proposed shutting down the Department of Education. Another thought Trump's weave had something to do with his hair. The F your feelings crowd voted strictly on feelings.
I won't be any different for the women in Nebraska who thought they were voting to protect abortions for 12 weeks when we end up with a heartbeat bill.
 
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I won't be any different for the women in Nebraska who thought they were voting to protect abortions for 12 weeks when we end up with a heartbeat bill.
It’s sad, but most simply don't care because they think none of it will ever effect their lives .
 
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In 2019, 97% of all gender affirming breast reduction surgeries done on minors were done on cisgender boys. Under Trumps new rule, this will now be eliminated. The boys are just going to have to learn to live with boobs.
So who paid for that procedure prior to that?
 
Insurance pays normally. Why are you asking?
So let insurance pay again. Why is Trump actually going to spend five minutes on moobs?
Aren’t there more important issues the POTUS will need to focus on?
 
So let insurance pay again. Why is Trump actually going to spend five minutes on moobs?
Aren’t there more important issues the POTUS will need to focus on?
None of what is being discussed is about who is paying. He is banning all gender affirming surgeries on minors. No one will be paying for them, they won't be able to get them. 97% of all gender affirming top surgeries on minors are on cisgender boys.

I totally agree with you that the President should be working on other things.
 
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None of what is being discussed is about who is paying. He is banning all gender affirming surgeries on minors. No one will be paying for them, they won't be able to get them. 97% of all gender affirming top surgeries on minors are on cisgender boys.

I totally agree with you that the President should be working on other things.
I’m going to just ask where that banning authority comes from. The same place as some of you think the authority to institute a national ban on abortion?
Because POTUS does not have that authority.
 
Good friend (lesbian) of mine told me Monday that her wife thinks they are going to end up in a concentration camp with a Trump win. Hoping my bewildered look back at her didn't offend.

I have said this before. When Trump won in 2016, I had lunch with four female coworkers the following day. All of them were bawling, successful, smart, beautiful women, all bawling. Should also add we worked in a company with 40 employees, 36 of which were women, most of them held favorable status in the company in all age ranges.

I guess I don't get it.
We don't hate the media enough. What they do to people is inexcusable. Sure people should be more discerning, but the media have a job to do and they've completely neglected it, and are largely responsible for the emotional damage to these people.
 
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We don't hate the media enough. What they do to people is inexcusable. Sure people should be more discerning, but the media have a job to do and they've completely neglected it, and are largely responsible for the emotional damage to these people.
Please tell me more about the media being responsible for the fears of LGBTQ people.
 
You are living in a bubble. You see what you want and I’m glad you have people around you that feel like that.

But if you deny there are some in that community that are in fear, you are being ignorant and sticking your head in the sand.
Yet you deny the factsthat the border has been a tunnel for violent criminals, who have harmed and assaulted citizens. This FACTS have made people fearful, yet you deride thos people.
 
We don't hate the media enough. What they do to people is inexcusable. Sure people should be more discerning, but the media have a job to do and they've completely neglected it, and are largely responsible for the emotional damage to these people.
"People overheard things he said" was sprinkled throughout her summary.

Your point about the media is spot on. Take people that are very concerned about the issues of the utmost importance to them and add a media that loves throwing gas on the fire and it doesn't surprise me details get muddled or exaggerated. Nothing like playing the telephone game on the Tilt-A-Whirl.
 
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"People overheard things he said" was sprinkled throughout her summary.

Your point about the media is spot on. Take people that are very concerned about the issues of the utmost importance to them and add a media that loves throwing gas on the fire and it doesn't surprise me details get muddled or exaggerated. Nothing like playing the telephone game on the Tilt-A-Whirl.
Can you give an example of the news media being responsible for LGBTQ fears? What specifically have they reported that wasn't true?
 
None of what is being discussed is about who is paying. He is banning all gender affirming surgeries on minors. No one will be paying for them, they won't be able to get them. 97% of all gender affirming top surgeries on minors are on cisgender boys.

I totally agree with you that the President should be working on other things.
Yes, I have concerns now about operating on kids with congenital chordee. These are teens with penile curvature. Usually 30 to 90 degrees downward. Most anti-trans laws make this illegal because they are poorly written.
 
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Well obviously, that poorly written legislation should be corrected then...
 
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