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Will there be a revolution of some sort in the next 50 years?

Well I found out from Tucker that they sell bread in Russia and groceries are cheaper there. This has radicalized me against our incoming leadership, just like Tucker said it would.

I mean sure, Russians make way less money than Americans but those grocery prices though!
 
Much like nature the US has an amazing ability to heal itself. Things will recalibrate. The wealth gap is our biggest issue if we move to a nominal guaranteed monthly income things would reset quickly.
 
Is Bonespurs really a billionaire? He would never release his taxes, so he's got something to hide there. Probably worth a lot less than he brags about. He didn't have a few paltry 100 million to cover his numerous felony fines. He's all smoke and mirrors and talk.
Donald Trump Media is Trump's most successful "business". Itis where most of his wealth comes from. It doesn't produce actual profits but has a lot of value on the stock exchange. And now he can trade people can buy ads in exchange for favors from the White House.
 
A long-deceased boss I had about 25 years ago (a retired professor) was convinced the have-nots would be coming over the wall for the haves before too long. He also argued that we wouldn’t be able to build walls high enough.

Leaving aside that we just elected a billionaire who seems intent on stocking his administration with fellow billionaires, thoughts on whether this is a realistic possibility?
If the mindset of have nots is that they can't become haves....sure.

I don't think we want to leave aside the incoming administration. They won election by appealing to the have nots, making no apologies for themselves being haves. Making specific effort to reignite the idea of the American dream. All while Dems became the party of the elite, out of touch with the issues of the "commoners."

In other words, it's not as simple as haves vs have nots, but rather which haves acknowledge the issues of the have nots and give hope they might do something about it.

On a global scale, I can see a good argument that Democrats would put the US in better position to avoid this attack, were it to come. Their 'whole world as one' approach to foreign policy is much more appealing to the rest of the world, while an 'America first' approach gives our global partners and enemies pause.

In light of the pending showdown between haves and Have nots, even IF you argue wars in Israel and Ukraine wouldn't have happened under Trump, you can argue that those wars keep the focus off of the US, and therefore aren't so bad for us (though we sure do spend a lot on them).

Haves vs. have nots could have been debated for the past 50 years. I think peace through strength is a much better approach. At least until it isn't.
 
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I wouldn't want to be the figure head of any movement that has acquired power through selling false promises and agitation to millions of people that were largely apolitical ten years ago.

Tensions are high, expectations are higher and the public is largely irrevocably split on party lines to the point that they've long since stopped believing in compromise and have moved to a f@cked-up vision of a winner-take-all system that should literally ignore half of the voting population to please the other half. Nobody is going to be content for long if the nation stays on the same path that swings wildly from one uncompromising viewpoint to the other.
 
If the mindset of have nots is that they can't become haves....sure.

I don't think we want to leave aside the incoming administration. They won election by appealing to the have nots, making no apologies for themselves being haves. Making specific effort to reignite the idea of the American dream. All while Dems became the party of the elite, out of touch with the issues of the "commoners."

In other words, it's not as simple as haves vs have nots, but rather which haves acknowledge the issues of the have nots and give hope they might do something about it.

On a global scale, I can see a good argument that Democrats would put the US in better position to avoid this attack, were it to come. Their 'whole world as one' approach to foreign policy is much more appealing to the rest of the world, while an 'America first' approach gives our global partners and enemies pause.

In light of the pending showdown between haves and Have nots, even IF you argue wars in Israel and Ukraine wouldn't have happened under Trump, you can argue that those wars keep the focus off of the US, and therefore aren't so bad for us (though we sure do spend a lot on them).

Haves vs. have nots could have been debated for the past 50 years. I think peace through strength is a much better approach. At least until it isn't.
Dems better? If you dont see joint stupidiy you are the problem.
 
A long-deceased boss I had about 25 years ago (a retired professor) was convinced the have-nots would be coming over the wall for the haves before too long. He also argued that we wouldn’t be able to build walls high enough.

Leaving aside that we just elected a billionaire who seems intent on stocking his administration with fellow billionaires, thoughts on whether this is a realistic possibility?
I won’t be here. Someone who goes after me find me and let me know. 😉
 
Yeah, I don’t think the idea is based on corrupt and self-interested billionaires leading the revolutionary charge.
I’m more in the camp of billionaires wanting to keep things the way they are now because the current system has obviously benefited them?
 
I don’t think we will have a violent revolution but I do think people are going to wise up and we will end up more like a social democracy in 15-20 years like much of Europe is trending. They have a better quality of life, live longer work less hard. People are waking up slowly and there is going to be a rebound from this massive corporate greed ruling the country.
You know how much post war Europe’s “social democracy success” has been created and sustained by our own policy and largesse?
WWII changed the world and things put in place 80 years ago have created generations of Europeans who have never slept a night not under US military protection paid for by schlumps here in the US who work their butts off so Europe can get “free” health care. Heaven forbid they should understand that fact, but a small few are finally learning.
 
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Much like nature the US has an amazing ability to heal itself. Things will recalibrate. The wealth gap is our biggest issue if we move to a nominal guaranteed monthly income things would reset quickly.
We’re gonna need a lot more gubmint printing presses if we all get free money every month.
 
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Let me guess, in your narrative the commoners have pitchforks and storm the castle?






This is real life, "robinhood" may have facialed a porn star.


It's a mixed up, muddled up, shook up world........ except Lola.
Lol, brilliant. You're the one gullible enough to think that Donald F'ing Trump is going to help the commoners, but oh of course it's me that has the pie in the sky dreams! I realize you have to make up an argument for myself to somehow try and defend your laughable post but holy shit.
 
The revolution is already happening. Demonstrated by the fact that a majority of the people voted for a guy who attempted a coup on Jan 6 2020. And who called our military suckers and losers.
Doesn't matter how many times you POS lefties say it, it was not a coup, or an insurrection. Too funny. Oh and the BLM riots were just peaceful protests. Americans know you are wrong, that is one of the many reasons your type was rejected this election. The political prisoners will soon be freed, Ashley Babbit's murderer will soon be in jail along with Liz Cheney. Let Freedom Ring!
 
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I’m more in the camp of billionaires wanting to keep things the way they are now because the current system has obviously benefited them?
Yeah and millions of poor and middle class white Americans giving them a hand.
 
Yes.
We are at levels of wealth inequality that match those before the french revolution and the incoming admin is determined to further that gap. At some point there will be an event that unleashes the pent up anger and chaos will reign for a year or more.
 
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You know how much post war Europe’s “social democracy success” has been created and sustained by our own policy and largesse?
WWII changed the world and things put in place 80 years ago have created generations of Europeans who have never slept a night not under US military protection paid for by schlumps here in the US who work their butts off so Europe can get “free” health care. Heaven forbid they should understand that fact, but a small few are finally learning.
There is some truth to what you say in that the US has invested much more heavily in military spending than any other nation. At the same time we have historically been the economic beneficiary of a strong EU relationship with generally open access to European markets. Part of our global cultural hegemony (Coca Cola, Hollywood, McDonalds, Apple, etc) stems from the good relationship we have had for decades with Western Europe.

Net net I think it would be very difficult to prove one way or the other whether the US or Europe benefitted more from the relationship over the past 80 years,
 
You know how much post war Europe’s “social democracy success” has been created and sustained by our own policy and largesse?
WWII changed the world and things put in place 80 years ago have created generations of Europeans who have never slept a night not under US military protection paid for by schlumps here in the US who work their butts off so Europe can get “free” health care. Heaven forbid they should understand that fact, but a small few are finally learning.
Yes, exactly and add to that the Marshall plan rebuilding post-war Europe and protective trade policies that have allowed them to live it up. Not having to live up to the NATO Charter requirement of 2% GDP frees up more money for them. One of the best things President Trump did was call them on it; Germany, France and the Netherlands were not meeting it. It is easy to have nice things when someone else is paying for it. I hope Trump ends the gravy train.
 
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A long-deceased boss I had about 25 years ago (a retired professor) was convinced the have-nots would be coming over the wall for the haves before too long. He also argued that we wouldn’t be able to build walls high enough.

Leaving aside that we just elected a billionaire who seems intent on stocking his administration with fellow billionaires, thoughts on whether this is a realistic possibility?


 
Yes, exactly and add to that the Marshall plan rebuilding post-war Europe and protective trade policies that have allowed them to live it up. Not having to live up to the NATO Charter requirement of 2% GDP frees up more money for them.
They pay way higher tax rates than you do.
To fund their social safety nets.

So that they get free healthcare, functional public transit, etc etc etc.
 
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They pay way higher tax rates than you do.
To fund their social safety nets.

So that they get free healthcare, functional public transit, etc etc etc.
I think poor Hawkstate1 might be out of
Commission for a little while. I sure hope not!
His posts are always entertaining 😉
 
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A long-deceased boss I had about 25 years ago (a retired professor) was convinced the have-nots would be coming over the wall for the haves before too long. He also argued that we wouldn’t be able to build walls high enough.

Leaving aside that we just elected a billionaire who seems intent on stocking his administration with fellow billionaires, thoughts on whether this is a realistic possibility?

Of course it is possible, if the right one or two leaders get out on social media with the right message to the bottom 70% of people then there could be mass strikes, mass stoppages, and a lot more.

I have thought that if things keep going as it is, from 1980 when the top 5% had about 5% of the wealth to now where the top 5% have about 25% of the wealth to maybe 20 years from now when it is even worse, then I always wondered how these rich people would be able to travel from home to their office or the airport without random people just splattering their cars with trash.
 
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I think this is closer to the truth. Donald convinced the have nots that he has a solution for their havenotiness. I think many, but not all, Trump voters appreciate his chaos and the idea that he will break the current system.

What I’m worried about is what happens when they realize that he is going to cut taxes for the wealthy/make sure the system takes care of the billionaire class instead of actually helping the everyday Joe.
He did that shit for the very rich in his first term and didnt do crap for the bottom 75% yet people now think he will , hahahahahah
 
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