Will you view the current players collecting big NIL the same as players of yesteryear?

[JRHawk2003]

Or do you see them as different things?

I see players now as minor leaguers, not students.

No one has been held out for academics in years.

 

[NLhawk62]

You don’t think players at Iowa have been getting extra benefits throughout the years? News flash, they have.

To answer your question specifically, there are plenty of basket weaving degrees at Iowa. You just have to be smart enough to get in the door, which quite frankly isn’t that hard. Most universities are getting rid of ACT/SAT scores and class rankings for admissions. It’s turning into a joke.

 

[JRHawk2003]

You don’t think players at Iowa have been getting extra benefits throughout the years? News flash, they have.

To answer your question specifically, there are plenty of basket weaving degrees at Iowa. You just have to be smart enough to get in the door, which quite frankly isn’t that hard. Most universities are getting rid of ACT/SAT scores and class rankings for admissions. It’s turning into a joke.

Sure they have. but some.guys are pulling six figures now no doubt.

 

[littlez]

Or do you see them as different things?

I see players now as minor leaguers, not students.

No one has been held out for academics in years.

Depends on what you’re talking about. As players I see no difference. Athletes and academics have always been what they make of it. Some are here for just football, some are here for both. Even if you see them as minor leaguers what difference does it make with their performance?

 

[LIV4GOD]

Or do you see them as different things?

I see players now as minor leaguers, not students.

No one has been held out for academics in years.

Interesting Avatar. I recognize the guy, and think it is when he is in a movie based on "A Christmas Carol."

May I know why you chose this as your avatar?

 

[JRHawk2003]

Depends on what you’re talking about. As players I see no difference. Athletes and academics have always been what they make of it. Some are here for just football, some are here for both. Even if you see them as minor leaguers what difference does it make with their performance?

It doesn't. Some of these guys are dumber than a box of rocks though and have no business in classes

 

[Thunderlips71]

I’m painting with a very broad brush, but the high profile recruits seem to be nothing more than mercenaries who go to the highest bidder.

 

[JRHawk2003]

I’m painting with a very broad brush, but the high profile recruits seem to be nothing more than mercenaries who go to the highest bidder.

Exactly. Proctor is a great example.

 

[win1forthe]

It doesn't. Some of these guys are dumber than a box of rocks though and have no business in classes

But they make a lot of money for the school.

 

[Hawk_4shur]

Yes, I see them differently.

Players have tremendous freedom, which isn't a bad thing, but player movement makes it feel more like a pro sport.

 

[JRHawk2003]

But they make a lot of money for the Athletic Department

FIFY

 

[sadiehawkins]

Only difference now is the money grab is out in the open. Ya think Joe Namath was gettin benefits at bama?

 

[Herky T Hawk]

Yes, I see them differently.

Players have tremendous freedom, which isn't a bad thing, but player movement makes it feel more like a pro sport.

Honestly, it is worse than a pro sport. At least pro athletes have contracts and rules that are enforced.

 

[Hawk_4shur]

But they make a lot of money for the school.

But they make a lot of money for the Athletic Department

FIFY

Good correction. And the Athletic Dept spends most, if not all of it.

But does Proctor make money for the program? Would Bama's revenue have changed if he went to Iowa last year? Would Iowa's? Iowa would have still had the same record with him in the lineup,

Caitlin Clark makes money for the program. Top QB's do. But most of the players are cogs in a wheel - you need all the cogs working together to win games. If a really good player is missing, then there is a pretty good player behind him.

 

[JRHawk2003]

FIFY

Good correction. And the Athletic Dept spends most, if not all of it.

But does Proctor make money for the program? Would Bama's revenue have changed if he went to Iowa last year? Would Iowa's? Iowa would have still had the same record with him in the lineup,

Caitlin Clark makes money for the program. Top QB's do. But most of the players are cogs in a wheel - you need all the cogs working together to win games. If a really good player is missing, then there is a pretty good player behind him.

The University general finances get no benefit from any sports.

 

[Hawk_4shur]

The University general finances get no benefit from any sports.

Yeah I know. That's why I liked your correction.

It also bugs me when they talk about the programs making "billions". Revenue is in the billions, but they spend it - the amount they "make" (i.e. profit) is a fraction of the revenue.

 

[win1forthe]

FIFY

You didn’t need to fix it for me. The players make a lot of money for the school. If the team succeeds, the school makes more money, not just the athletic department.

Look at Colorado. Admissions jumped big-time this year, which means kids from all over the country are applying even more than usual. Now they admit more out-of-state students who pay more because of out-of-state tuition and so on. And those extra 10,000 (round number) applications coming in at $75/application…that isn’t going to the athletic department. It isn’t just helping the athletic department.

 

[Ad-Hawk]

If the thing you liked most about college football was the exploitation of labor then I think we are coming at sports from a very different direction

 

[coorsoriginal02]

Win games and be entertaining to watch while do so.

Pay the players millions if that’s where we are headed. Don’t care.

 

[Ad-Hawk]

FIFY

Good correction. And the Athletic Dept spends most, if not all of it.

But does Proctor make money for the program? Would Bama's revenue have changed if he went to Iowa last year? Would Iowa's? Iowa would have still had the same record with him in the lineup,

Caitlin Clark makes money for the program. Top QB's do. But most of the players are cogs in a wheel - you need all the cogs working together to win games. If a really good player is missing, then there is a pretty good player behind him.

If he makes the team better then yes he is making money for the program. There is a reason NFL teams pay left tackles a lot of money and it's not because they're selling jerseys. And even if he doesn't, he is expending significant time and energy and putting himself at significant physical risk in service of something that makes hundreds of millions of dollars for the school

 

[JRHawk2003]

If he makes the team better then yes he is making money for the program. There is a reason NFL teams pay left tackles a lot of money and it's not because they're selling jerseys. And even if he doesn't, he is expending significant time and energy and putting himself at significant physical risk in service of something that makes hundreds of millions of dollars for the school

For the Athletic Dept

 

[Hawk_4shur]

If he makes the team better then yes he is making money for the program. There is a reason NFL teams pay left tackles a lot of money and it's not because they're selling jerseys. And even if he doesn't, he is expending significant time and energy and putting himself at significant physical risk in service of something that makes hundreds of millions of dollars for the school

Well, it doesn't make any money for the school. I wish some of it did. It all goes to the athletic department which turns around a spends it on things that make the program better - which is a benefit the players.

My point, as it always has been, "college" athletes were very well compensated before NIL IMO. That is if they value the education.

I've always supported a stipend for ALL athletes. I am not in favor of guys making 6 or 7 figures.

But that ship has sailed .....

 

[Ad-Hawk]

For the Athletic Dept

That is part of the school yes, don't be an obnoxious pedant

 

[JRHawk2003]

That is part of the school yes, don't be an obnoxious pedant

The school as a whole doesn't benefit

 

[Ad-Hawk]

The school as a whole doesn't benefit

The school is going to have an athletic department no matter what, the department being successful enough that it is able to fund itself is absolutely a value to the school as a whole, particularly when athletics plays a big role in student life and the sales pitch to prospective students.

 

[JRHawk2003]

The school is going to have an athletic department no matter what, the department being successful enough that it is able to fund itself is absolutely a value to the school as a whole, particularly when athletics plays a big role in student life and the sales pitch to prospective students.

It didn't in my life at Iowa. A big role? No

 

[Ad-Hawk]

It didn't in my life at Iowa. A big role? No

Weird to go through the time to read and join a forum about a thing you didn't really care about.

And that's fine if it wasn't part of yours, that doesn't mean your experience is universal. Football especially is a giant event for a big chunk of the student body and there is a reason they put the sports teams all over their ads.

If you are disgusted by the money in college athletics and horrified that the people doing the work in it might get a share Iowa has many fine division three institutions who I am sure would welcome you as a fan.

 

[JRHawk2003]

Weird to go through the time to read and join a forum about a thing you didn't really care about.

And that's fine if it wasn't part of yours, that doesn't mean your experience is universal. Football especially is a giant event for a big chunk of the student body and there is a reason they put the sports teams all over their ads.

If you are disgusted by the money in college athletics and horrified that the people doing the work in it might get a share Iowa has many fine division three institutions who I am sure would welcome you as a fan.

I would rather see the UI drop football.

As for the student body. They are caring less and less. Was their section full for even one game last Fall?

 

[win1forthe]

Well, it doesn't make any money for the school. I wish some of it did. It all goes to the athletic department which turns around a spends it on things that make the program better - which is a benefit the players.

My point, as it always has been, "college" athletes were very well compensated before NIL IMO. That is if they value the education.

I've always supported a stipend for ALL athletes. I am not in favor of guys making 6 or 7 figures.

But that ship has sailed .....

Again, there is a residual effect in which the school makes money from the sports programs, not every penny of a sporting event goes back into the athletic department.

 

[WDSMHAWK]

Well, it doesn't make any money for the school. I wish some of it did. It all goes to the athletic department which turns around a spends it on things that make the program better - which is a benefit the players.

The University of Iowa gets millions of dollars worth of free advertising thanks to the Athletic Department.

It's also been proven that Universities see a bump in applications and enrollment after one of their teams has a great season. The idea that the Athletic Department doesn't make money for the University is silly.

 

[WDSMHAWK]

As for the student body. They are caring less and less.

 

[JRHawk2003]

The University of Iowa gets millions of dollars worth of free advertising thanks to the Athletic Department.

It's also been proven that Universities see a bump in applications and enrollment after one of their teams has a great season. The idea that the Athletic Department doesn't make money for the University is silly.

Quantify it

 

[Hawk_4shur]

The University of Iowa gets millions of dollars worth of free advertising thanks to the Athletic Department.

It's also been proven that Universities see a bump in applications and enrollment after one of their teams has a great season. The idea that the Athletic Department doesn't make money for the University is silly.

Ok. They don't get any direct payments.

 

[coorsoriginal02]

The school as a whole doesn't benefit

You’re just being difficult and you know this, mannnnn

 

[WDSMHAWK]

Quantify it

Which part?

 

[JRHawk2003]

You’re just being difficult and you know this, mannnnn

Its nonsense. Put down the Kool Aid

 

[Ad-Hawk]

Was their section full for even one game last Fall?

Yes? It fills up later than the rest of the stadium but it's almost always full

 

[ottumwan in tx]

we will look back on this era of college football in a few yrs as a huge joke. or the beginning of the end of college football. or something

 

[EvilMonkeyInTheCloset]

Or do you see them as different things?

Well considering that they're being held (or not) to different standards, then yes absolutely.......

 

[icwesthawk]

Interesting Avatar. I recognize the guy, and think it is when he in a movie based on "A Christmas Carol."

May I know why you chose this as your avatar?

Watch the movie every year. I've quoted this character on this site. Interested to why and how he picked it too