that are dual threat, is that the direction we are heading? CJBs scrambles kept so many drives alive and points on the board this year it would be stupid not to start taking more looks at dual threats imo.
With the recent offers to QB's
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I think we need to keep a duel threat as an option. We seem to have more success, especially since many times out offensive line seems to get a little porous. I like the notion the QB will roll out to keep a drive alive.
I was thinking the same thing. Either that or they see them at other positions such as McNutt moving to wide receiver.
I don't think there is any concerted effort to get more dual threat QB's, they are still going after the best available QB.
We are still going to run a pro-style offense that utilizes play-action. Whether we have a Chuck Long or Brad Banks behind center, the system will work if we recruit and retain quality players.
We are still going to run a pro-style offense that utilizes play-action. Whether we have a Chuck Long or Brad Banks behind center, the system will work if we recruit and retain quality players.
Pretty much agree. Our pro style offense is here to stay but extending offers to 2 dual threat guys in a week(?) surprised me. CJB might be opening/adding a few pages to our playbook that the staff is wanting to install permanently.
It could signal a change in preference, but I think it's more of a coincidence than anything. I don't think CJB would have any more of an effect in changing Ferentz's philosophy than Brad Banks would have had. Moreover, we have recruited a lot of dual-threat QB's while Ferentz has been at Iowa:
- 2002: Jason Manson
- 2003: Eric McCollom
- 2005: Jake Christensen (categorized as a dual-threat by Rivals)
- 2006: Arvell Nelson
- 2007: Marvin McNutt
- 2008: James Vandenberg (categorized as a dual-threat by Rivals)
- 2009: Micah Hyde
- 2010: AJ Derby
- 2012: CJ Beathard
- 2014: Jay Scheel
- 2015: Drew Cook, Ryan Boyle
Cj's success running the ball helped to open up the offense. The Tom Brady's of the world are few and far between. An athletic QB has given our defense fits over the years, it's about time we do the same thing to other teams. Look for this to continue.
He was a dual-threat QB from South Carolina who lost out to Drew Tate for the starting QB position. He played WR in 2005 and then transferred to a small college back in South Carolina and where he had a lot of success at QB.
Had Drew Tate not come to Iowa, I think we would have seen McCollom be the starting QB for 3 years.
Give me more dual threat qb's. Beathard has showed us how important it is for the qb to move out of the pocket when he has to or by design. I think it's really important in the college game and we need more of it.
Stanzi moved the pocket and he was not a Dual Threat QB, Weigers was a 4* QB and is not a Dual Threat but he too can move the pocket as well as extend plays with his feet, Stanly is a 4* QB by Lemming and Scout but is not a Dual Threat QB.
don't read to much into the QB's that are being offered in the 2017 class as a indication that GD/KF is going to change the way IA FB will be/is played.
don't read to much into the QB's that are being offered in the 2017 class as a indication that GD/KF is going to change the way IA FB will be/is played.
Stanzi moved the pocket by simply running KOK's play action pass offense. If Ricky was a dual threat qb then CJB is Mike Vick. There's a difference between moving the pocket and being able to extend a play for a 30 yard touchdown run. I think the Lewis and Fields offers are more along the lines of a "true" dual threat. Maybe I'm overthinking all of this for my own selfish reasons in hopes we start fielding a dual threat qb.
Who are the quarterbacks? Kasim Hill and Johnathan Lewis? Hill is considered a pro-style QB and Lewis a dual-threat.
I only see it reported on 247 but has Iowa as cool. Rob Howe on HN has said only Hill and Lewis have offers from Iowa for QB in the 2017 class. Is it reported somewhere else?
KF is on record as saying he loves recruiting high school QBs and Wrestlers. He loves QBs because they are leaders and loves wrestlers because they are tough and have a great work ethic.
Shimonik who left was a Pocket passer who had over 1100 yards rushing in 3 seasons and he was GD's 1st recruit, just because they can run that does not make them Dual Threat QB's, at least not I the sense that some of you think.
Armstrong for Nebbie is a DT QB. DRob was a RB turned QB because of his ability to run, the LSU QB is a good example of a DT QB that runs 1st but can't pass when called on.
don't read into who they offer as a sign of KF completely overhauling IA offense.
Armstrong for Nebbie is a DT QB. DRob was a RB turned QB because of his ability to run, the LSU QB is a good example of a DT QB that runs 1st but can't pass when called on.
don't read into who they offer as a sign of KF completely overhauling IA offense.
As I've tried to say on this site for years, most of the KF offenses that have been better than average featured a mobile QB. You would think eventually that would get recognized and maybe now is the time.
(back patting over now)
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I think that is what KF, and every other coach in America, wants is a guy that is a QB first and a runner second. Not a runner who tries to be a QB.
Jake Christemsen was the #2 DT QB by Rivals and he played in the Army AA game and some of you couldn't run him off fast enough because he couldn't throw the ball,
at least not throwing the ball well enough to make posters happy.
so my question is { what do you really want}
Stanzi's best asset was his pocket prescence sensing when the defenders were almost on him. it was them that his ability to either move the pocket or scramble to keep the play alive. Tate was the same way moving the pocket and sensing the defender and scrambling to keep the play alive,
JVB did not have that, in my opinion CJ as of now does not. is it the injury or not enough experience. sorry but the QB's that have the ability to have eyes in the back of their heads are the really good ones, Hartlieb had this, Long had this, Banks, Stanzi and Tate had these qualities.
at least not throwing the ball well enough to make posters happy.
so my question is { what do you really want}
Stanzi's best asset was his pocket prescence sensing when the defenders were almost on him. it was them that his ability to either move the pocket or scramble to keep the play alive. Tate was the same way moving the pocket and sensing the defender and scrambling to keep the play alive,
JVB did not have that, in my opinion CJ as of now does not. is it the injury or not enough experience. sorry but the QB's that have the ability to have eyes in the back of their heads are the really good ones, Hartlieb had this, Long had this, Banks, Stanzi and Tate had these qualities.
Watch their tape, both can throw the football.
Stanley, although a pro-style QB, is a very good athlete very much in the CJB mold. Davis likes QB's that are mobile.
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Pretty sure the posters did't put JC on the bench..Pretty sure the posters weren't the only one's "not happy" with his throwing...I'll let you guess who decided he couldn't "get it done" on the field...
I've watched the tapes and Im not at all an expert so not gonna begin to break it down like I got a clue. But yes they both can throw the football, good observation.
yeah KOK gave up on him after his RSFR year, even then Stanzi had his troubles BUT he had a very very good defense that bailed him out, in Stanzi's 1st year he had Greene for a RB that set the single season rushing record in IA's history.
let JC be the QB with Greene as the RB and that defense, who knows how that 2008 team would have turned out.
its like the complaints about JR vs CJ.
the rush defense when JR was the QB ended up 56th
the rush defense when CJ was the QB ended up 10th
the RB's while JR was the QB only recorded 2 100 yard games in 13 games
the RB's while CJ was the QB recorded 2 200+ games, LD had a 194 rush game and then as a total they had 8 100+ yard games.
to much credit goes to the QB just like to much blames goes to the QB. JR's best game this season was 440 yards passing with 6 TD's, 78 yards rushing 1 TD for a total offense of 518 yards and 7 TD's
CJ had 2 games where he threw for only 97 yards the last one vs Nebraska where he went 16-21 for 97 yards against the worst pass defense in the BT and 122nd in D1. plus IA went 0-9 pn 3rd down conversions
JR NEVER did that nor did he ever come close. just like CJ never came close to what JR did.
way to many JR HATERS on this board. that refused to give him any credit, as a SR in HS he led his team to the HS National Championship.poor QB's don't do that.
KF benched JC. KF approved the depth chart that listed CJ as the starter over JR..
CJ went 9-16 against Nebby.
"Haters" on here didn't force KF into those decisions. He has the ability to see, and knew what was the best move for the program that he leads.Thought you were a KF supporter?
CJ went 9-16 against Nebby.
"Haters" on here didn't force KF into those decisions. He has the ability to see, and knew what was the best move for the program that he leads.Thought you were a KF supporter?
My point is that the Iowa coaches are looking for good arms first. CJ had a bad habit of taking off and not sitting in the pocket long enough. Over time he has developed more patience. Both of the dual-threat guys would become better overall QB's under a Ferentz type system.
So JC > RS and JR > CJB, got it.. This makes recruiting easy, all we gotta do is go out and find ourselves another QB named Jake!
If you can't see the differences between JC and RS then JR vs CJ then that's on you.
I really like the offers to the mobile QBs. The key is that these guys are good passers than are good runners. It really helps our offense just having the ability to pick up yards if the WRs aren't open. Just look at what CJ did before he got hurt. There were so many drives kept alive with his legs.
