Women’s basketball, just have relegation?

[anon_ts5cfra6drv7r]

Top 1-8 play their own tourney every year and the loser gets demoted to the 9-XX tourney. That way you have the champions level tourney and the actual college athletes tourney. 2 NCAA tourneys.

(Yes this is a sarcastic post, but seriously this is why people don’t tune into NCAAW bball. There is no parity and it’s the same teams every year)

 

[denmar81]

Top 1-8 play their own tourney every year and the loser gets demoted to the 9-XX tourney. That way you have the champions level tourney and the actual college athletes tourney. 2 NCAA tourneys.

(Yes this is a sarcastic post, but seriously this is why people don’t tune into NCAAW bball. There is no parity and it’s the same teams every year)

Agree, don’t know what can be done but more parity is needed in the women’s game.

 

[SSG T]

Yes, I understand the Title IX implications, but I wonder if reducing to 13 scholarships would correct the disparity some

 

[Legend12]

Yes, I understand the Title IX implications, but I wonder if reducing to 13 scholarships would correct the disparity some

How would that help?

 

[SSG T]

How would that help?

If you move a couple of top recruits off of UConn, ND, S Car, etc and push them to other teams, it spreads the talent more.

In the men's game, half of those top recruits are leaving after a year, many after two. The women stay for 4 years.

 

[Legend12]

If you move a couple of top recruits off of UConn, ND, S Car, etc and push them to other teams, it spreads the talent more.

In the men's game, half of those top recruits are leaving after a year, many after two. The women stay for 4 years.

So 10 scholarships per team?

That doesn't leave much room for redshirts and/or injuries.

 

[SSG T]

So 10 scholarships per team?

That doesn't leave much room for redshirts and/or injuries.

No, 13, they're currently allowed 15 IIRC. Make it the same as the men.

 

[Legend12]

No, 13, they're currently allowed 15 IIRC. Make it the same as the men.

I can't think of a single top team that uses 15. Most are using 12 or 13.

 

[brfhilltop]

Won't help. Uconn has 12 players, Baylor 11, South Carolina 13 I believe, Maryland 11, Stanford 14. Most teams don't go over 13 players anyway, the mid majors are more likely to get near that 15.

 

[BGHAWK]

They used to do that in Mens BB, but 9 and 10 teams sometimes got hosed (maybe) so they went to 16 and then the 17 and 18 teams......so they went to 32 and the 33 and 34 teams.......... and then 64 now and then the 65 and 66...... so they have the play in games and probable there are still a couple getting left out.

 

[Auger]

They can fix this issue if the recruits start staying in their local area or region. They do it to themselves when 80% of the top recruits go to 6 schools every year. Women's basketball needs more Caitlin Clark's that stay home or ditch the top schools. My basketball playing daughter's have no interest in watching women's basketball because the evil empires always win. No parity. There are no underdog stories.

I think the fact girls don't even care to watch women's college basketball leaves them with no attachment to their home state schools when it comes time to pick a college. Clark is going to do wonders for Iowa deep into the future because of all kids growing up watching her and idiolizing her. The women at UCONN and Baylor and ND not so much. You're just another star in the sky. Detached from your home state. They won't leave the impact Clark will at Iowa and the generations of girls that will watch her.

 

[littlez]

They can fix this issue if the recruits start staying in their local area or region. They do it to themselves when 80% of the top recruits go to 6 schools every year. Women's basketball needs more Caitlin Clark's that stay home or ditch the top schools. My basketball playing daughter's have no interest in watching women's basketball because the evil empires always win. No parity. There are no underdog stories.

I think the fact girls don't even care to watch women's college basketball leaves them with no attachment to their home state schools when it comes time to pick a college. Clark is going to do wonders for Iowa deep into the future because of all kids growing up watching her and idiolizing her. The women at UCONN and Baylor and ND not so much. You're just another star in the sky. Detached from your home state. They won't leave the impact Clark will at Iowa and the generations of girls that will watch her.

Who can fix what? Are you saying the NCAA should stop kids from going where they want? Look, we have 1 great player in Clark, but there’s enough players around that there’s no reason for us to just get drubbed every single time we play a more athletic team. Why can we not recruit athletes in general? This is Clark’s future the next 3 years unless we get some athletes around her.

 

[Auger]

Who can fix what? Are you saying the NCAA should stop kids from going where they want? Look, we have 1 great player in Clark, but there’s enough players around that there’s no reason for us to just get drubbed every single time we play a more athletic team. Why can we not recruit athletes in general? This is Clark’s future the next 3 years unless we get some athletes around her.

The kids picking their schools can fix this.

 

[littlez]

Then why don’t they?

 

[WSC72]

Top 1-8 play their own tourney every year and the loser gets demoted to the 9-XX tourney. That way you have the champions level tourney and the actual college athletes tourney. 2 NCAA tourneys.

(Yes this is a sarcastic post, but seriously this is why people don’t tune into NCAAW bball. There is no parity and it’s the same teams every year)

I think there are bigger reasons people don’t tune in to NCAAW BB.

 

[IowaHawkeyeFBnBB4Life]

Sweet 16 games should mostly be close, we’ve allowed six schools to have mandates and blow out everyone. It’s why the product suffers. Every once and a while lightning gets caught in a bottle, 4 seed Syracuse and 7 Washington made it to the final four a few years ago, and played each other. Syracuse then lost the title game by 30.

 

[WSC72]

Sweet 16 games should mostly be close, we’ve allowed six schools to have mandates and blow out everyone. It’s why the product suffers. Every once and a while lightning gets caught in a bottle, 4 seed Syracuse and 7 Washington made it to the final four a few years ago, and played each other. Syracuse then lost the title game by 30.

College football doesn’t seem to suffer and they have the same issue.

 

[IowaHawkeyeFBnBB4Life]

College football doesn’t seem to suffer and they have the same issue.

Not really

 

[WSC72]

Not really

I would agree that the dominance by a few teams has been shorter lived but similar in the recent past.

Did Iowa ruin wrestling?

Will UConn drop to some degree once Geno retires? Alabama once Saban retires?

I see the logic in previous posts but I think there is a bigger reason the NCAAW viewership is low.

 

[fish1hawk]

Top 1-8 play their own tourney every year and the loser gets demoted to the 9-XX tourney. That way you have the champions level tourney and the actual college athletes tourney. 2 NCAA tourneys.

(Yes this is a sarcastic post, but seriously this is why people don’t tune into NCAAW bball. There is no parity and it’s the same teams every year)

wrestling is worse, so is men's hockey

 

[backinblack23]

This is something you can't fix until the WNBA is a a much bigger deal. The thing with Women's basketball is the top players stay for 4 years, so you take teams like UCONN and they get nothing but the cream of the crop every year, well they all stay for 4 years so the entire team is made up of studs. Could you imagine how good some of the mens teams would be if their stars stayed for 3 years. Duke, Kansas, etc.... would be stacked and it would be hard for other teams to catch up.

The other reason is there seems to be 5-10 girls every year that are just in a league of their own when it comes to athleticism and skill and usually 75% of them go to the same school. So Iowa got one of them this year but they might not get another one for 15-20 years. UConn has Bueckers this year and will probably add 3-4 more before she's gone. It's just something that other teams have to deal with. It sucks but hey if Iowa can make a sweet 16/Elite 8 50% of the time that's a great accomplishment. I wish the men could do that.

 

[brfhilltop]

UConn also has another freshman in Edwards a 6ft 3in forward that scored 18 points today.

 

[moondog24]

Yes, I understand the Title IX implications, but I wonder if reducing to 13 scholarships would correct the disparity some

I don't know if the NCAA has surveyed the Coaches on this issue, but the Arizona Coach, Adia Barnes is in favor of reducing it as she recognizes how hard it it to get players playing time, especially in conference games -- hence there will always be two or three kids transferring.

 

[Bulldogs1974]

Bigger concern should be the girls going to other colleges then playing well then going to UConn. If UConn gets the best drag an and then gets ti fill in gaps with proven transfers then the will continue to dominate.

 

[EvilMonkeyInTheCloset]

The kids picking their schools can fix this.

They need better advice is what you're trying to say.....

I've been saying that about football for years.

 

[retrodent]

Top 1-8 play their own tourney every year and the loser gets demoted to the 9-XX tourney. That way you have the champions level tourney and the actual college athletes tourney. 2 NCAA tourneys.

(Yes this is a sarcastic post, but seriously this is why people don’t tune into NCAAW bball. There is no parity and it’s the same teams every year)

Like men’s football you mean?

 

[EvilMonkeyInTheCloset]

I think there are bigger reasons people don’t tune in to NCAAW BB.

Such as.......

 

[EvilMonkeyInTheCloset]

They can fix this issue if the recruits start staying in their local area or region. They do it to themselves when 80% of the top recruits go to 6 schools every year. Women's basketball needs more Caitlin Clark's that stay home or ditch the top schools. My basketball playing daughter's have no interest in watching women's basketball because the evil empires always win. No parity. There are no underdog stories.

I think the fact girls don't even care to watch women's college basketball leaves them with no attachment to their home state schools when it comes time to pick a college. Clark is going to do wonders for Iowa deep into the future because of all kids growing up watching her and idiolizing her. The women at UCONN and Baylor and ND not so much. You're just another star in the sky. Detached from your home state. They won't leave the impact Clark will at Iowa and the generations of girls that will watch her.

Reminds me of the Dan Patrick clip where one of the guys on the show was talking about how her daughter got interested in watching because she saw Caitlin Clark, and she became her favorite player, to the point where she'd even want to go see her play live.

 

[WSC72]

Such as.......

I think most don’t think it’s good basketball, especially those who enjoy the men’s game. The huge difference in athleticism is too big of a hurdle. Basically, the majority people don’t like the girls game.

 

[hooper56]

I enjoy women’s basketball but honestly the officiating is often so bad it is hard to watch.

 

[slindian]

I think most don’t think it’s good basketball, especially those who enjoy the men’s game. The huge difference in athleticism is too big of a hurdle. Basically, the majority people don’t like the girls game.

hold the tourny before or after the mens tourny. officiating could use a huge upgrading.

 

[WSC72]

hold the tourny before or after the mens tourny. officiating could use a huge upgrading.

I honestly don’t think it matters when they host it. The viewership / crowd (depending on the year) would be dwarfed by the men’s tournament attendance.

 

[LarryMullenJr.]

I honestly don’t think it matters when they host it. The viewership / crowd (depending on the year) would be dwarfed by the men’s tournament attendance.

it might help as some may take the “hey it’s basketball so I’ll watch” attitude.
I agree it’s killing the overall game having literally a handful of teams having the only chances to win the title. Everyone else is just playing to say they made the Sweet 16 or elite 8.
Maybe 10 full ride schollies and some partials is the answer. Would some kids stay on if they’re not getting the full or go somewhere else where they’d be good enough to get the full? Don’t know the answer to that but since we’re all just spitballing here.

 

[Auger]

wrestling is worse, so is men's hockey

Both have much smaller college participation. Wrestling is also a dying sport right now in college as every year more colleges are dropping the sport. Lack of parity is one of the many reasons.

 

[The Deplorable Sleeping Dog]

They should reduce schollies for boys and girls to 12 and football to just about 12 per year with a total of 60, appropriate exceptions to fill injured or transfer spots. Most college audience is school oriented and the lack of parity depresses interest. As someone said above, same old same old. The audience metrics are already volatile, to say the least. Plus it saves a little money, which would surely help the majority of NCAA members right now.

There isn't much audience that will continue to watch girl's ball after their "school" finishes the season. Newer schools in March and early April mean many new eyes on the games and a greater interest and more fans in the games itself.

It would also get more good players more playing time. The last 3 or 4 schollies on the Husky roster could probably start at a decent school. Certainly and significantly reduce stockpiling players.

It would require superior coaching because basketball and football coaches would necessarily have to coach walk-ons. The walk-ons might be "preferred status", not just pulled out of the general student body but its still kids playing for the love of the game. Those kids would be eligible for whatever financial aid is available to other general body students and maybe the training table like a current walk-on. It would certainly put a premium on the Presidential Scholars with athletic ability.

The other element would be a carve out of privately endowed schollies for economically disadvantaged student athletes that could have and maintain some specific level of educational competence and performance. That might even have the trickle down net benefit of motivating HS and college interest in improved educational performance in kids from poor families and the shitty schools they are usually forced to attend. It would certainly reorient the purpose of college and college athletics in a more proper direction.

Visionary.

 

[WSC72]

it might help as some may take the “hey it’s basketball so I’ll watch” attitude.
I agree it’s killing the overall game having literally a handful of teams having the only chances to win the title. Everyone else is just playing to say they made the Sweet 16 or elite 8.
Maybe 10 full ride schollies and some partials is the answer. Would some kids stay on if they’re not getting the full or go somewhere else where they’d be good enough to get the full? Don’t know the answer to that but since we’re all just spitballing here.

But is it killing the game? I came across this link with a quick search. If anyone wants to break it down that would be great, I don’t have time right now.

http://fs.ncaa.org/Docs/stats/w_basketball_RB/2021/Attend.pdf

 

[EvilMonkeyInTheCloset]

Both have much smaller college participation. Wrestling is also a dying sport right now in college as every year more colleges are dropping the sport. Lack of parity is one of the many reasons.

Blame Penn State.

 

[moondog24]

I think most don’t think it’s good basketball, especially those who enjoy the men’s game. The huge difference in athleticism is too big of a hurdle. Basically, the majority people don’t like the girls game.

That depends on where you are at. Most schools that may be the case, but not all. We enjoy following the Women’s Game because you really get to know the players. you get to see them improve from year to year. Fundamentals are very strong and the ladies play with such heart. I enjoy watching the Men’s teams as well, but some programs put too much focus on one and done. That’s what made Garza so enjoyable to watch, he kept getting better and better each year. Most years I could care less if Duke or Kentucky were playing, I would not waste my time watching them.

As for competitiveness, the Women’s Game in probably the same as Football. In football all you have is Bama, Ohio State, Clemson and maybe Oklahoma. Even when ND made it a couple times, they got blown out. The best players usually go to the best programs.

 

[IowaHawkeyeFBnBB4Life]

I would agree that the dominance by a few teams has been shorter lived but similar in the recent past.

Did Iowa ruin wrestling?

Will UConn drop to some degree once Geno retires? Alabama once Saban retires?

I see the logic in previous posts but I think there is a bigger reason the NCAAW viewership is low.

Title IX ruined wrestling.

 

[nwhawkincr]

I enjoy women’s basketball but honestly the officiating is often so bad it is hard to watch.

Yes, the officiating is awful.....