Wondering what Iowa's coaches really learned?

[Wango Z Tango]

Forget the TV cameras and post game interviews. Even forget Fran's post game dinner of Shit on a shingle with his wife and kids. Many many NCAA teams look and play with the athleticism of last night's opponent. We have said in the past how when we lose someone from the other team usually has a "career" shooting night. Hmmm?
Tough to fix slow, slow to defend, slow to fight through a screen, slow to get open for a "good" shot. Too slow to drive and dish or drive and finish.
And last night too darn slow to call a timeout.
"Team" quickness will come much faster and this "team" playing together will come much "faster" with yes a young inexperienced but darn fast point guard named Joe T. Much like Kirk Ferentz not sitting a struggling quarterback I don't see him sitting son Conner. Gotta let this kid take his lumps, gain experience by "playing" not by watching from the bench.
I think that will soon become very very obvious. Will our coaching staff with their experience and expensive salaries get this?

 

[Rifler]

Coaches salaries again,... SMH

 

[DewHawk]

I am not sure what the coaches learned, but as a life-long fan of basketball my thoughts would be FWIW. At this point, it could be a very long year.
1) Nunge should not start until he proves he can handle the intensity of it all and backup LG and RK
2) Kreiner should probably start at the 4
3) Joe T needs to start at the point and just live with his freshman learning curve. Need the speed and defense at the top
4) JBO needs to redshirt - it does not appear he is moving freely
5) Pat M should redshirt - I know it is early but he seems to be struggling most of the time
6) Evelyn spot play only at this point
7) CJF should play a larger role as he appears to have the "it" factor IMO
8) Early. but Pemsl really looked slow and lost as well last night (but maybe one year layoff is the problem with him and Nunge)
9) Garza needs to not try and shoot every time he touches the ball and learn to kick the ball back out to the outside when double teamed - FM made this comment as well
10) JW just needs to slow down a bit, but just one game so...

 

[mphawk]

I am not sure what the coaches learned, but as a life-long fan of basketball my thoughts would be FWIW. At this point, it could be a very long year.
5) Pat M should redshirt - I know it is early but he seems to be struggling most of the time

Agree except it is too late for Pat M to redshirt, unless he somehow suddenly has a season-ending injury. Too bad BB redshirt rules are not like new FB rule. Play in one game in BB and year counts.

 

[Buddehawk]

I am not sure what the coaches learned, but as a life-long fan of basketball my thoughts would be FWIW. At this point, it could be a very long year.
1) Nunge should not start until he proves he can handle the intensity of it all and backup LG and RK
2) Kreiner should probably start at the 4
3) Joe T needs to start at the point and just live with his freshman learning curve. Need the speed and defense at the top
4) JBO needs to redshirt - it does not appear he is moving freely
5) Pat M should redshirt - I know it is early but he seems to be struggling most of the time
6) Evelyn spot play only at this point
7) CJF should play a larger role as he appears to have the "it" factor IMO
8) Early. but Pemsl really looked slow and lost as well last night (but maybe one year layoff is the problem with him and Nunge)
9) Garza needs to not try and shoot every time he touches the ball and learn to kick the ball back out to the outside when double teamed - FM made this comment as well
10) JW just needs to slow down a bit, but just one game so...

I agree with most everything but I think Joe T and Pemsl should start as I see Kriener as the primary backup for Garza. Kriener can come in early if needed for Pemsl

PMac can not do a standard redshirt. You can't play any regular season games to redshirt. JBo is working off the Medical Hardship rules.

I think Joe W is still dealing with the hard fall he had last game.

Impressed with CJ, he seems to get it and competes. He definitely participates while others tend to spectate.

I am flushing this game and will judge after the next few games. This one DePaul couldn't do anything wrong and we couldn't do anything right on offense and defense for some reason. This was their 4th game and they got into the groove and this was our second and we are still trying to figure things out. That said still disappointed

 

[BlackNGoldBleeder]

Forget the TV cameras and post game interviews. Even forget Fran's post game dinner of Shit on a shingle with his wife and kids. Many many NCAA teams look and play with the athleticism of last night's opponent. We have said in the past how when we lose someone from the other team usually has a "career" shooting night. Hmmm?
Tough to fix slow, slow to defend, slow to fight through a screen, slow to get open for a "good" shot. Too slow to drive and dish or drive and finish.
And last night too darn slow to call a timeout.
"Team" quickness will come much faster and this "team" playing together will come much "faster" with yes a young inexperienced but darn fast point guard named Joe T. Much like Kirk Ferentz not sitting a struggling quarterback I don't see him sitting son Conner. Gotta let this kid take his lumps, gain experience by "playing" not by watching from the bench.
I think that will soon become very very obvious. Will our coaching staff with their experience and expensive salaries get this?

No.

 

[Hawksfor3]

1) Nunge should not start until he proves he can handle the intensity of it all and backup LG and RK

I found it interesting and provocative that ( to paraphrase Fran ) he said Jack had a poor showing and he put RK in and he played well, and he couldn't give Jack more PT because of RK's good play. Fran said he wanted Jack to get in to play through the struggles.

 

[farcyted]

Agree except it is too late for Pat M to redshirt, unless he somehow suddenly has a season-ending injury. Too bad BB redshirt rules are not like new FB rule. Play in one game in BB and year counts.

Where in the hell are you getting that?

 

[soowon]

I think most of the problems Nunge has is with the coaching style and how the coaching staff is using him. I think I got spoiled with Tom Davis coaching genius. He was a bad recruiter, but he knew how to adapt his team to the talent of his players. Fran doesn't seem to have much versatility or creativity.

 

[hawkeye54545]

Coaches salaries again,... SMH

I like that we pay our coaches a lot. What I don't care for is the long extensions and how in Fran's case Barta tried to sneak it through.

 

[Ihawkhoops]

I don't expect anything to change, but I would hope that Fran and staff realize this team is not built to play fast. There may be a lineup that proves to be more suited to pushing tempo, but it's not the current starting 5. Whenever Iowa tries to play fast, their turnovers go up and they give up easy baskets.

Pushing the ball to get good looks makes sense. Asking guys to drive into traffic is what led to 19 turnovers and 25 points off these turnovers by DePaul. Hot shooting by DePaul played a big part, but Iowa mounted no comeback due to turning the ball over at such a high rate.

 

[Rifler]

I'm suspicious that we were lacking current film on DePaul and as a result came into the game ill prepared,... I would agree that we aren't a fast team, but we didn't even start with the quickest lineup that we could have put on the floor...

 

[Hawksfor3]

I like that we pay our coaches a lot. What I don't care for is the long extensions and how in Fran's case Barta tried to sneak it through.

Let's play a round of golf.

 

[Clifford C. Clavin]

Where in the hell are you getting that?

Because that's the rule. The recent change for football to allow up to 4 games was only for football. In basketball and other sports, once the player enters one game, he can no longer redshirt. Other than a season-ending injury when specific criteria are met (which is the basis of potentially redshirting Bohannon), in which case they would have to apply for the medical redshirt. Long story short, Patrick can't redshirt this year unless he has some injury in the next month or so.

 

[L. Wade Childress]

Forget the TV cameras and post game interviews. Even forget Fran's post game dinner of Shit on a shingle with his wife and kids. Many many NCAA teams look and play with the athleticism of last night's opponent. We have said in the past how when we lose someone from the other team usually has a "career" shooting night. Hmmm?
Tough to fix slow, slow to defend, slow to fight through a screen, slow to get open for a "good" shot. Too slow to drive and dish or drive and finish.
And last night too darn slow to call a timeout.
"Team" quickness will come much faster and this "team" playing together will come much "faster" with yes a young inexperienced but darn fast point guard named Joe T. Much like Kirk Ferentz not sitting a struggling quarterback I don't see him sitting son Conner. Gotta let this kid take his lumps, gain experience by "playing" not by watching from the bench.
I think that will soon become very very obvious. Will our coaching staff with their experience and expensive salaries get this?

did you actually watch the game? Almost all of the defensive mistakes came from young or redshirted guys. You don’t think they will get better?

I feel bad for fran. Dipshit fans are going to make his kids the target of every bitchfest, as if iowa is in the position to turn down 4* talent.

 

[SDHawkDoc]

I don't expect anything to change, but I would hope that Fran and staff realize this team is not built to play fast. There may be a lineup that proves to be more suited to pushing tempo, but it's not the current starting 5. Whenever Iowa tries to play fast, their turnovers go up and they give up easy baskets.

Pushing the ball to get good looks makes sense. Asking guys to drive into traffic is what led to 19 turnovers and 25 points off these turnovers by DePaul. Hot shooting by DePaul played a big part, but Iowa mounted no comeback due to turning the ball over at such a high rate.

I don't expect anything to change either. That would be unlikely for a 60+ year old coach in his 10th season at a school.

 

[drew_hawk]

Nothing. Nothing at all.