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JHF OOC schedule

79 - Oklahoma/Nebraska/Iowa State (2 of the teams were ranked)
80 - Nebraska/Iowa State/Arizona (1 team was ranked)
81 - Nebraska/Iowa State/UCLA (2 of the teams were ranked)
82 - Nebraska/Iowa State/Arizona (1 team was ranked)
83 - Iowa State/Penn State (1 team was ranked)
84 - Iowa State/Penn State (1 team was ranked)
85 - Drake/Northern Ill/Iowa State
86 - Iowa State/Northern Ill/UTEP
87 - Arizona/Iowa State/Tennessee/K-State (1 team was ranked)
88 - Iowa State/Hawaii/K-State/Colorado (this was the year Hayden played Mich State/Michigan/Ohio State all to a tie)
89 - Oregon/Iowa State/Tulsa
90 - Cincinnati/Iowa State/Miami Fla (Miami was ranked #1)
91 - Hawaii/Iowa State/Northern Illinois
92 - NC State/Iowa State/Colorado/Miami Fla (Miami was ranked #1 & Colorado was ranked #10)
93 - Tulsa/Iowa State/Northern Illinois
94 - Central Michigan/Iowa State/Oregon
95 - Northern Iowa/Iowa State/New Mexico State
96 - Arizona/Iowa State/Tulsa
97 - Northern Iowa/Iowa State/Tulsa
98 - Central Michigan/Iowa State/Arizona (1 team was ranked)

10 seasons total where Hayden played 1 or more ranked teams in the OOC.
 
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starbrown said:
JHF OOC schedule

79 - Oklahoma/Nebraska/Iowa State (2 of the teams were ranked)
80 - Nebraska/Iowa State/Arizona (1 team was ranked)
81 - Nebraska/Iowa State/UCLA (2 of the teams were ranked)
82 - Nebraska/Iowa State/Arizona (1 team was ranked)
83 - Iowa State/Penn State (1 team was ranked)
84 - Iowa State/Penn State (1 team was ranked)
85 - Drake/Northern Ill/Iowa State
86 - Iowa State/Northern Ill/UTEP
87 - Arizona/Iowa State/Tennessee/K-State (1 team was ranked)
88 - Iowa State/Hawaii/K-State/Colorado (this was the year Hayden played Mich State/Michigan/Ohio State all to a tie)
89 - Oregon/Iowa State/Tulsa
90 - Cincinnati/Iowa State/Miami Fla (Miami was ranked #1)
91 - Hawaii/Iowa State/Northern Illinois
92 - NC State/Iowa State/Colorado/Miami Fla (Miami was ranked #1 & Colorado was ranked #10)
93 - Tulsa/Iowa State/Northern Illinois
94 - Central Michigan/Iowa State/Oregon
95 - Northern Iowa/Iowa State/New Mexico State
96 - Arizona/Iowa State/Tulsa
97 - Northern Iowa/Iowa State/Tulsa
98 - Central Michigan/Iowa State/Arizona (1 team was ranked)

10 seasons total where Hayden played 1 or more ranked teams in the OOC.
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Support the Hawks, be a good fan, enjoy the games, enjoy life - it's much more fun this way!
 
Why is irrelevant. The fact is Hayden's OOC, overall, was FAR tougher than KF's. And Hayden won a lot of those games against ranked opponents, including 2 for 2 in his third season. Inconvenient truths for some, perhaps, but the truth nonetheless. And respect for the truth is fun.
 
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I did not do any research, so I am sure I will be corrected if I am wrong. But don't we play more conference games now then when Hayden was coaching? And I would say that the BIG today is tougher then the Big 10 was when Hayden coached. Back in Hayden's days, the only two consistent Big ten teams were Michigan and Ohio State. Northwestern was a doormat whom you got your W just by showing up. Indiana, Minnesota, Wisconsin, Michigan State, Illinois and Purdue were crap shoots each year. The league quality escalated when Penn State came in and Barry Alvarez made Wisconsin into a consistent foe. Even though Nebraska is not the power they were under Tom Osborne, I think they are better then any of the Big Ten crap shoot teams I mentioned above were. Wisconsin, Michigan State have been great the past decade, Penn State good and Northwestern has been more then competitive Since the mid 90's. Michigan for more then half of Kirk's tenure has been good and Ohio State is what we thought they were, Ohio State. So in fairness, Hayden may have had it tougher in the non conference, but Kirk IMOP has had it much tougher in the conference.
 
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aristotleiowa said:
Why is irrelevant. The fact is Hayden's OOC, overall, was FAR tougher than KF's. And Hayden won a lot of those games against ranked opponents, including 2 for 2 in his third season. Inconvenient truths for some, perhaps, but the truth nonetheless. And respect for the truth is fun.
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How many ranked OOC did he win? You point to two.

Also, if you are going to make comparisons you should probably post all of KF's as well.
 
Also, I found it humorous that you put down ISU every single time in a comparison to a coach who, you know, played ISU every time...
 
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scotthawk1964 said:
I did not do any research, so I am sure I will be corrected if I am wrong. But don't we play more conference games now then when Hayden was coaching? And I would say that the BIG today is tougher then the Big 10 was when Hayden coached. Back in Hayden's days, the only two consistent Big ten teams were Michigan and Ohio State. Northwestern was a doormat whom you got your W just by showing up. Indiana, Minnesota, Wisconsin, Michigan State, Illinois and Purdue were crap shoots each year. The league quality escalated when Penn State came in and Barry Alvarez made Wisconsin into a consistent foe. Even though Nebraska is not the power they were under Tom Osborne, I think they are better then any of the Big Ten crap shoot teams I mentioned above were. Wisconsin, Michigan State have been great the past decade, Penn State good and Northwestern has been more then competitive Since the mid 90's. Michigan for more then half of Kirk's tenure has been good and Ohio State is what we thought they were, Ohio State. So in fairness, Hayden may have had it tougher in the non conference, but Kirk IMOP has had it much tougher in the conference.
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And Kirk went undefeated in non conference twice something Hayden never did.
 
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I'm not sure what the point of the original post is really. As pointed out, Hayden's schedule was set for several years when he arrived. Both coaches are among the best Football coaches ever at Iowa, Is that not good enough? Both very different men in their personality and style, Both represented the University very well, I like them both.
 
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Freyvet said:
Support the Hawks, be a good fan, enjoy the games, enjoy life - it's much more fun this way!
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Your streak of adding nothing continues unabated at 73 posts and counting. You should stay on whatever Clone home-board you come from.
 
cosmo90 said:
Schedules are set in advance. Hayden played ranked teams OOC in his 1st 6 years than only 4 times in the next 14.

Why did ranked teams schedule us those 1st 6 years? Because we stunk.

After Nebraska in '81 that changed and changed our scheduling.
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Is this directed at all the people who say we need a tougher OOC?
 
scotthawk1964 said:
I did not do any research, so I am sure I will be corrected if I am wrong. But don't we play more conference games now then when Hayden was coaching? And I would say that the BIG today is tougher then the Big 10 was when Hayden coached. Back in Hayden's days, the only two consistent Big ten teams were Michigan and Ohio State. Northwestern was a doormat whom you got your W just by showing up. Indiana, Minnesota, Wisconsin, Michigan State, Illinois and Purdue were crap shoots each year. The league quality escalated when Penn State came in and Barry Alvarez made Wisconsin into a consistent foe. Even though Nebraska is not the power they were under Tom Osborne, I think they are better then any of the Big Ten crap shoot teams I mentioned above were. Wisconsin, Michigan State have been great the past decade, Penn State good and Northwestern has been more then competitive Since the mid 90's. Michigan for more then half of Kirk's tenure has been good and Ohio State is what we thought they were, Ohio State. So in fairness, Hayden may have had it tougher in the non conference, but Kirk IMOP has had it much tougher in the conference.
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Iowa played 6 conference games in the 50's and up until 1965 when we went to 7 conference games. Then in 1970 and 1971 we jumped up to 9 conference games, then back down to 8. Then in 1983 & 1984 we play 9 conference games then it has been 8 from '85 though 2015. We jump up to 9 next year again, for how long.....?????
 
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starbrown said:
JHF OOC schedule

79 - Oklahoma/Nebraska/Iowa State (2 of the teams were ranked)
80 - Nebraska/Iowa State/Arizona (1 team was ranked)
81 - Nebraska/Iowa State/UCLA (2 of the teams were ranked)
82 - Nebraska/Iowa State/Arizona (1 team was ranked)
83 - Iowa State/Penn State (1 team was ranked)
84 - Iowa State/Penn State (1 team was ranked)
85 - Drake/Northern Ill/Iowa State
86 - Iowa State/Northern Ill/UTEP
87 - Arizona/Iowa State/Tennessee/K-State (1 team was ranked)
88 - Iowa State/Hawaii/K-State/Colorado (this was the year Hayden played Mich State/Michigan/Ohio State all to a tie)
89 - Oregon/Iowa State/Tulsa
90 - Cincinnati/Iowa State/Miami Fla (Miami was ranked #1)
91 - Hawaii/Iowa State/Northern Illinois
92 - NC State/Iowa State/Colorado/Miami Fla (Miami was ranked #1 & Colorado was ranked #10)
93 - Tulsa/Iowa State/Northern Illinois
94 - Central Michigan/Iowa State/Oregon
95 - Northern Iowa/Iowa State/New Mexico State
96 - Arizona/Iowa State/Tulsa
97 - Northern Iowa/Iowa State/Tulsa
98 - Central Michigan/Iowa State/Arizona (1 team was ranked)

10 seasons total where Hayden played 1 or more ranked teams in the OOC.
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There is also a big difference in how tough the conference play is top to bottom, compared to when Hayden was coaching.
 
starbrown said:
Your streak of adding nothing continues unabated at 73 posts and counting. You should stay on whatever Clone home-board you come from.
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Read my posts again! I call out those that are clueless and negative! People have lost all perspective on athletics (and society) and the constant criticism and negativity are reaapy tiresome! Lighten up, quit trying to stir the pot and enjoy the ride my friend!
 
Guys guys guys. This is why I posted this. Read below.

MepoDawg# said:
Rankings for each:
Fry - nr, 18, 14, 16, 10, 16, 16, nr, nr, 18, nr, 10, nr, nr, nr, 25, 18, nr, nr

KF - nr, nr, nr, 8, 8, 8, nr, nr, nr, 20, 7, nr, nr, nr, nr, nr, 9

Fry was a little more consistent, but highs weren't as high as KF. Also, competition is better overall recently vs at least the first half of Fry's run.
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The Stasi on this board have a recurring mantra. "Kirk has had it tougher than Hayden." They sound sooooo stupid when they say that. Hayden had a more difficult assignment in 1979. So he gets a little extra credit for what he accomplished. Doesn't mean Kirk shouldn't get a pat on the back. It means Kirk is the student and Hayden is the master. I don't know why the brownshirts can't figure that out.
 
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Anybody (you know, the OP) posted KF's non-con record and who they were/how they ranked?

Seriously, it is hard to compare records when you only post one side.
 
starbrown said:
Guys guys guys. This is why I posted this. Read below.



The Stasi on this board have a recurring mantra. "Kirk has had it tougher than Hayden." They sound sooooo stupid when they say that. Hayden had a more difficult assignment in 1979. So he gets a little extra credit for what he accomplished. Doesn't mean Kirk shouldn't get a pat on the back. It means Kirk is the student and Hayden is the master. I don't know why the brownshirts can't figure that out.
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Go away!
 
starbrown said:
Guys guys guys. This is why I posted this. Read below.



The Stasi on this board have a recurring mantra. "Kirk has had it tougher than Hayden." They sound sooooo stupid when they say that. Hayden had a more difficult assignment in 1979. So he gets a little extra credit for what he accomplished. Doesn't mean Kirk shouldn't get a pat on the back. It means Kirk is the student and Hayden is the master. I don't know why the brownshirts can't figure that out.
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Bob Cummings left Hayden Fry a 2-9 football team. Hayden Fry left Kirk a 3-8 football team, I don't think you can logically say Hayden had more of a mess to clean up then Kirk.
 
starbrown said:
Guys guys guys. This is why I posted this. Read below.



The Stasi on this board have a recurring mantra. "Kirk has had it tougher than Hayden." They sound sooooo stupid when they say that. Hayden had a more difficult assignment in 1979. So he gets a little extra credit for what he accomplished. Doesn't mean Kirk shouldn't get a pat on the back. It means Kirk is the student and Hayden is the master. I don't know why the brownshirts can't figure that out.
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They both average around 7.5 wins and 5 losses per year. Fry was 6-7-1 and KF 6-7 in bowl games. 3 conference championships for Fry and 2 for KF with a division championship as well. KF has gone against much better overall competition than Fry. I would call it pretty even. And why does it matter at least we're not ISU in football.
 
MepoDawg# said:
They both average around 7.5 wins and 5 losses per year. Fry was 6-7-1 and KF 6-7 in bowl games. 3 conference championships for Fry and 2 for KF with a division championship as well. KF has gone against much better overall competition than Fry. I would call it pretty even. And why does it matter at least we're not ISU in football.
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Amen to this. Iowa has been lucky to have 2 well respected coaches who have done a great job in both of their era here when is all said and done over a 40 year time period.
 
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1999: #5 Nebraska (L), Northern Illinois (W)
2000: #9 KSU (L), Western Mich (L), #1 Nebraska (L)
2001: Kent State (W), Miami OH (W)
2002: Akron (W), Miamo OH (W), Utah State (W)
2003: Miami OH (W), Buffalo (W), #16 Arizona State (W)
2004: Kent State (W), Arizona State (L)
2005: Ball State (W), UNI (W)
2006: Montana (W), Syracuse (W), Northern Illinois (W)
2007: Northern Ill (W), Syracuse (W), Western Michigan (L)
2008: Maine (W), Florida Int'l (W), Pitt (L)
2009: UNI (W), Arizona (W), Arkansas Sate (W)
2010: Eastern Illinois (W), #24 Arizona (L), Ball State (W)
2011: Tenn Tech (W), Pitt (W), LA-Monroe (W)
2012: Northern Ill (W), UNI (W), Central Mich (L)
2013: Northern Ill (L), MO State (W), Western Mich (W)
2014: Ball State (W), UNI (W), Pitt (W)
2015: Ill State (W), North Texas (W), Pitt (W)

Obviously I omitted ISU because both coaches played ISU every year. Up to ISU to be good. Also, I left ISU out of the record below, because they both played ISU and we know how well they did.

Record: 37-10; 5 appear to have been against ranked opponents, winning only one of those, against #16 AZ State. Two were against Nebraska at #1 and #5. 4 of KF's losses came in those first two disastrous years. I would say there were maybe 3 "unacceptable" losses in there, the worst being that Western Mich game that dropped out of bowl eligibility.
 
scotthawk1964 said:
Bob Cummings left Hayden Fry a 2-9 football team. Hayden Fry left Kirk a 3-8 football team, I don't think you can logically say Hayden had more of a mess to clean up then Kirk.
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I disagree. We should all agree that our savior JHF left the cupboards bare, but he had built the foundation, the foundation that he didn't have when he began. Once KF got the recruiting back on track and filled the stables he was up and running and doing so as en equal to, or better, than Fry at that point. He had exceeded anything I expected that early. Plus, KF has HF to lean on for advice and whatnot.

I just don't see why people need a side-by-side comparison in order to use their brains and logic, HF built the program and left a legacy (in a bad place at the time), and KF took the reigns and improved. Unfortunately there were down years - for both of them, thankfully Iowa fans on the whole (not message board maroons) are loyal and have earned the rewards that both coaches gave them.
 
The schedule is indefensible. It is weak and is the main reason hawks get very little respect. Side note, Colin Cowherd is my new favorite sports talk show host based on his accurate dismantling of the hawk fan base. This is the scheduling formula Snyder uses very effectively at KSU. Also, like KSU when hawks finally get to play against some real talent they fold. Iowa = KSU and that is why tOSU, Mich, MSU, NE and Wisc do not see a win or loss to the hawks as a big deal. Fans of those teams hate to see a loss to the hawks due to the fact that hawk fans are the most obnoxious and annoying fans outside the SEC, but I digress. Hawks football is a legacy of up seasons and down seasons, but never a sustained period of greatness and the schedule is a reflection of that fact. As a hawk fan I am sure many of you have a myriad of reasons why other teams who have a history of greatness achieved that greatness. Many up years mixed in with many down years makes the hawks what they are as a football program, average. KF is literally the only reason Hawk football is on the map and at least half you jokers want to get rid of him. Hawks being good is good for the B1G, but when KF finally gets fed up with the BS and moves on the hawks are looking at a sustained period of .500 or below seasons. On the bright side you'll always have wrestling. Think of your pride in the historical success of hawk wrestling and then you will be able to relate to fans of CFB teams that have a history of greatness.
 
B1Ghomer said:
The schedule is indefensible. It is weak and is the main reason hawks get very little respect. Side note, Colin Cowherd is my new favorite sports talk show host based on his accurate dismantling of the hawk fan base. This is the scheduling formula Snyder uses very effectively at KSU. Also, like KSU when hawks finally get to play against some real talent they fold. Iowa = KSU and that is why tOSU, Mich, MSU, NE and Wisc do not see a win or loss to the hawks as a big deal. Fans of those teams hate to see a loss to the hawks due to the fact that hawk fans are the most obnoxious and annoying fans outside the SEC, but I digress. Hawks football is a legacy of up seasons and down seasons, but never a sustained period of greatness and the schedule is a reflection of that fact. As a hawk fan I am sure many of you have a myriad of reasons why other teams who have a history of greatness achieved that greatness. Many up years mixed in with many down years makes the hawks what they are as a football program, average. KF is literally the only reason Hawk football is on the map and at least half you jokers want to get rid of him. Hawks being good is good for the B1G, but when KF finally gets fed up with the BS and moves on the hawks are looking at a sustained period of .500 or below seasons. On the bright side you'll always have wrestling. Think of your pride in the historical success of hawk wrestling and then you will be able to relate to fans of CFB teams that have a history of greatness.
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LOL, blah blah blah yada yada, I guess we better shut it all down when KF retires we have no chance!
 
Another LOL, as Wisconsin probably saw the loss to Iowa as a big deal considering it kept them from the Big Ten title game. But what do I know.

Also, no football team in history, not Bama of now or Bama of yesteryear, Notre Dame, USC, anyone can be discussed as even remotely comparable to the "historical success of hawk wrestling". Saban would have to, you know, repeat his current feat (5 titles) another three times.
 
theIowaHawk said:
Another LOL, as Wisconsin probably saw the loss to Iowa as a big deal considering it kept them from the Big Ten title game. But what do I know.

Also, no football team in history, not Bama of now or Bama of yesteryear, Notre Dame, USC, anyone can be discussed as even remotely comparable to the "historical success of hawk wrestling". Saban would have to, you know, repeat his current feat (5 titles) another three times.
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That's the point smart guy. You now have an inkling of why fans of CFB programs with multiple NCs could care less about what hawk fans think, hope you enjoyed that run in 2015 it's as good as it gets for your nice little football team.
 
B1Ghomer said:
That's the point smart guy. You now have an inkling of why fans of CFB programs with multiple NCs could care less about what hawk fans think, hope you enjoyed that run in 2015 it's as good as it gets for your nice little football team.
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Posts like this one speak a very different tune... assuming you are a fan of such a team.
 
B1Ghomer said:
The schedule is indefensible. It is weak and is the main reason hawks get very little respect. Side note, Colin Cowherd is my new favorite sports talk show host based on his accurate dismantling of the hawk fan base. This is the scheduling formula Snyder uses very effectively at KSU. Also, like KSU when hawks finally get to play against some real talent they fold. Iowa = KSU and that is why tOSU, Mich, MSU, NE and Wisc do not see a win or loss to the hawks as a big deal. Fans of those teams hate to see a loss to the hawks due to the fact that hawk fans are the most obnoxious and annoying fans outside the SEC, but I digress. Hawks football is a legacy of up seasons and down seasons, but never a sustained period of greatness and the schedule is a reflection of that fact. As a hawk fan I am sure many of you have a myriad of reasons why other teams who have a history of greatness achieved that greatness. Many up years mixed in with many down years makes the hawks what they are as a football program, average. KF is literally the only reason Hawk football is on the map and at least half you jokers want to get rid of him. Hawks being good is good for the B1G, but when KF finally gets fed up with the BS and moves on the hawks are looking at a sustained period of .500 or below seasons. On the bright side you'll always have wrestling. Think of your pride in the historical success of hawk wrestling and then you will be able to relate to fans of CFB teams that have a history of greatness.
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I'm certain that you and Colin would make an adorable couple. I'm certain you both have a lot of things in common besides never playing a single down of football in your life. Every program feasts on cupcakes, you can't deny it. Our B10 foes certainly do see wins and assuredly losses to Iowa as a big deal. We certainly have our fair share of obnoxious fans, but who the hell doesn't? Most programs have a legacy of up and down seasons, the history of college football is rife with those stories. All teams trend to the mean of .500 results.

I could give a rat's ass about the "history of greatness". Maybe the fans of Harvard, Yale, U of Chicago and Nebraska can get together and reminisce on their history of greatness someday. I'm sure it will be epic.
 
B1Ghomer said:
The schedule is indefensible. It is weak and is the main reason hawks get very little respect. Side note, Colin Cowherd is my new favorite sports talk show host based on his accurate dismantling of the hawk fan base. This is the scheduling formula Snyder uses very effectively at KSU. Also, like KSU when hawks finally get to play against some real talent they fold. Iowa = KSU and that is why tOSU, Mich, MSU, NE and Wisc do not see a win or loss to the hawks as a big deal. Fans of those teams hate to see a loss to the hawks due to the fact that hawk fans are the most obnoxious and annoying fans outside the SEC, but I digress. Hawks football is a legacy of up seasons and down seasons, but never a sustained period of greatness and the schedule is a reflection of that fact. As a hawk fan I am sure many of you have a myriad of reasons why other teams who have a history of greatness achieved that greatness. Many up years mixed in with many down years makes the hawks what they are as a football program, average. KF is literally the only reason Hawk football is on the map and at least half you jokers want to get rid of him. Hawks being good is good for the B1G, but when KF finally gets fed up with the BS and moves on the hawks are looking at a sustained period of .500 or below seasons. On the bright side you'll always have wrestling. Think of your pride in the historical success of hawk wrestling and then you will be able to relate to fans of CFB teams that have a history of greatness.
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Now Cowturd is posting on Iowa message boards? Get a life dude.
 
B1Ghomer said:
That's the point smart guy. You now have an inkling of why fans of CFB programs with multiple NCs could care less about what hawk fans think, hope you enjoyed that run in 2015 it's as good as it gets for your nice little football team.
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That's why Princeton, Harvard, Yale, Lafeyette, Minnesota and Pitt don't care how iowa does? The multiple national championships they have won? Go figure.
 
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What does the coach really have to do with the scheduling? Especially now, with it all being about money, it will be Iowa State and two games against MAC or less at Kinnick because we have to get someone to come in and play us.

In Hayden's days you had to play someone like a Miami to get ABC there as that was where the money was from. Now they get a share of tv no matter what, the variable they can control is number of home games.
 
starbrown said:
Guys guys guys. This is why I posted this. Read below.



The Stasi on this board have a recurring mantra. "Kirk has had it tougher than Hayden." They sound sooooo stupid when they say that. Hayden had a more difficult assignment in 1979. So he gets a little extra credit for what he accomplished. Doesn't mean Kirk shouldn't get a pat on the back. It means Kirk is the student and Hayden is the master. I don't know why the brownshirts can't figure that out.
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I think in this case the student will end up out shining the master when it is all said and done....obviously love both coaches and feel very fortunate to have had only these 2 coaches throughout my entire life. Hayden had some challenges that Kirk did not and the same could be said for Kirk. With more teams, now 14, and a championship game it is more difficult to win the Big Ten. The current Big Ten has 2 traditional powers that Hayden didn't have to deal with (PSU and Nebby) and 2 other programs that were at least decent before joining the Big 10 (Maryland and Rutgers). Kirk won big ten twice one undefeated record and one with 1 loss (11-0 one year and 10-2 the other), Hayden won 3 going 6-2, 7-1, and 6-2 (8-4, 10-2, 8-4 overall record) both won 6 bowl games, KF won bigger better bowls, Hayden won 10 games 3 times, KF won 10+ games 5 times, 11 twice and 12 once. All in all pretty even, but KF will surpass him IMO....especially if we do well next year
 
B1Ghomer said:
That's the point smart guy. You now have an inkling of why fans of CFB programs with multiple NCs could care less about what hawk fans think, hope you enjoyed that run in 2015 it's as good as it gets for your nice little football team.
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Blah blah blah....blah blah....blah blah.....I for one understand that some programs have a strong history but that is all it is history. Good thing recruits don't really care about what happened before they were born....
 
starbrown said:
JHF OOC schedule

79 - Oklahoma/Nebraska/Iowa State (2 of the teams were ranked)
80 - Nebraska/Iowa State/Arizona (1 team was ranked)
81 - Nebraska/Iowa State/UCLA (2 of the teams were ranked)
82 - Nebraska/Iowa State/Arizona (1 team was ranked)
83 - Iowa State/Penn State (1 team was ranked)
84 - Iowa State/Penn State (1 team was ranked)
85 - Drake/Northern Ill/Iowa State
86 - Iowa State/Northern Ill/UTEP
87 - Arizona/Iowa State/Tennessee/K-State (1 team was ranked)
88 - Iowa State/Hawaii/K-State/Colorado (this was the year Hayden played Mich State/Michigan/Ohio State all to a tie)
89 - Oregon/Iowa State/Tulsa
90 - Cincinnati/Iowa State/Miami Fla (Miami was ranked #1)
91 - Hawaii/Iowa State/Northern Illinois
92 - NC State/Iowa State/Colorado/Miami Fla (Miami was ranked #1 & Colorado was ranked #10)
93 - Tulsa/Iowa State/Northern Illinois
94 - Central Michigan/Iowa State/Oregon
95 - Northern Iowa/Iowa State/New Mexico State
96 - Arizona/Iowa State/Tulsa
97 - Northern Iowa/Iowa State/Tulsa
98 - Central Michigan/Iowa State/Arizona (1 team was ranked)

10 seasons total where Hayden played 1 or more ranked teams in the OOC.
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Hayden didn't schedule those first few years
 
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