Yes, it was a coup orchestrated by the GOP directly

Huey Grey

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There’s not. It’s a cat chasing its tail. And hate begets more hate.

Don’t get me wrong. I despise Donald Trump and wish he’d just go away. I also enjoy bantering back and forth with others on here and talking some mad shit. But c’mon. I’m not here to save democracy. Anyone who thinks they are needs to get a grip.

“Desecrations” exist on both sides of the aisle. And tribalism is dangerous no matter who it afflicts. Chis doesn’t get that yet.
You're wrong on this. Exposing Trump ousted him from office. Without fighting back he would still be in power. The struggle works. Only the struggle works.
 

Huey Grey

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That’s not what strumming is talking about and you know it.

But, again, please wake me when we go to war with GQP desecrations so I can participate in the killing. 🤨
War, protests, voting. It's all fighting back. And it's the only way progress happens. Somehow you and Strum reject this reality.
 

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You're wrong on this. Exposing Trump ousted him from office. Without fighting back he would still be in power. The struggle works. Only the struggle works.
Voting ousted Trump. And the legislative and judicial branches of government upheld the will of the people.

What exactly do you think needed to be exposed that Trump wasn’t willing to reveal himself? There was no secret to the type of POTUS and human being Trump was and is. Do you honestly believe over 80 million people voted for Biden because he’s an aspiring, charismatic leader?
 
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Huey Grey

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Voting ousted Trump. And the legislative and judicial branches of government upheld the will of the people.

What exactly do you think needed to be exposed that Trump wasn’t willing to reveal himself? There was no secret to the type of POTUS and human being Trump was and is. Do you honestly believe over 80 million people voted for Biden because he’s an aspiring, charismatic leader?
Who Trump is was only made apparent from repeated and daily warnings. Without these warnings even you seem to understand that he wouldn't have been defeated.
 

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Just read the rolling stone article:

the Officials involved in promises of pardons, should be jailed. MTG should be jailed just because.

the two people interviewed obviously have an angle, but there is something to the fact some people were there on broken promises; and some were there to cause a shit storm. We need to quit using broad brushes.
 

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And, they hate you. Congratulations to all of you. When it's all over, you'll have yourselves to thank.
The difference is, they hate libs because they have been lied to for decades. They were manipulated. Our hate is coming from trying to save the country...in reality, which again, they aren't living in.
 

strummingram

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Yep... it's just a matter of time...


I don't want to go to war with anyone. But the MAGAts do. I much rather vote them out.
Now, you're back-pedaling. Either that, or you're not really committed to what it's going to cost to "win" this hate war. That's sensible, because you can't.

This is not a conflict of right and wrong, or good or bad. Americans have decided to hate each other based on letters and teams. No one is talking policy. No one is talking at all. Everyone is on full-bore "rebellion" against the other side.

The notion that liberals and/or progressives are more intelligent, or more diplomatic, or whatever, is really just a fiction. I've seen people on "the left" be just as hate-filled and uncompromising and ACT like their alleged opposition, whom they refer to as "knuckle-draggers" and "maggots."

I guess it was inevitable. People blame Donald Trump as though he is the author of all of this, but he's not. That idiot doesn't have 1/10th the brains to plan such a thing. He's a manipulator and conniving. But, most of all, he's a con man. A con man isn't complex enough to dismantle a country. This has been building for a long time. Trump exploits it, for sure. But, Americans are choosing to destroy the United States of America.
 

strummingram

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The difference is, they hate libs because they have been lied to for decades. They were manipulated. Our hate is coming from trying to save the country...in reality, which again, they aren't living in.
That MAY be true. But, what difference does it make? You can't save the country by planting and harvesting more hate and distrust.
 

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i'm disgusted with Donald Trump as much as someone can be. But, I love this country more than I hate Donald Trump.
I don't love this country enough to live under authoritarian rule here...because that's what is coming really soon. We're going to be Putin lead Russia. That will break the love I have for my homeland. We're in deep shit.
 
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I don't love this country enough to live under authoritarian rule here...because that's what is coming really soon. We're going to be Putin lead Russia. That will break the love I have for my homeland. We're in deep shit.
Putin and Trump are polar opposites. I agree that Trump demands loyalty to HIM, but he doesn't have anywhere near the intellect of Putin.

I don't see the die-hard Trump cult members on HROT. The people shown in Klepper videos and other media are proud and they don't hold back. I don't see many "right" folks on here that are openly, vigorously still on Trump's train. The frightened left folks on here have to resort to things like "you'd vote for him if he ran, though." That's different from being these nutcases that go to his rallies NOW.
 

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The difference is, they hate libs because they have been lied to for decades. They were manipulated. Our hate is coming from trying to save the country...in reality, which again, they aren't living in.
No, they hate libs because libs talk down to them and unleash all kinds of ad hominem attacks against them. This is a cyclical pattern. Just because they bought into Donald Trump’s bullshit does not change that reality.

If you want to “save the country,” start by doing more listening and less hating. Chis bombing on an anonymous message board is fun and definitely provides me a few laughs but you change no one’s mind with that level of incendiary rhetoric. If anyone is going to change their mind about Donald Trump, it’ll be through connecting with the heart brain.
 

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No, they hate libs because libs talk down to them and unleash all kinds of ad hominem attacks against them. This is a cyclical pattern. Just because they bought into Donald Trump’s bullshit does not change that reality.

If you want to “save the country,” start by doing more listening and less hating. Chis bombing on an anonymous message board is fun and definitely provides me a few laughs but you change no one’s mind with that level of incendiary rhetoric. If anyone is going to change their mind about Donald Trump, it’ll be through connecting with the heart brain.
I don't agree with you. They have been taught to hate us and the talking down thing is just one of their excuses they use to defend the fact that they have been brainwashed by propaganda. It goes both ways too. MAGAs think they are smarter than and talk down to libs as well. They have been served an alternate reality for decades, based off of lies. I'm not going to love anybody who is trying to destroy America. I'm not having it.
 

Huey Grey

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Yep... it's just a matter of time...



Now, you're back-pedaling. Either that, or you're not really committed to what it's going to cost to "win" this hate war. That's sensible, because you can't.

This is not a conflict of right and wrong, or good or bad. Americans have decided to hate each other based on letters and teams. No one is talking policy. No one is talking at all. Everyone is on full-bore "rebellion" against the other side.

The notion that liberals and/or progressives are more intelligent, or more diplomatic, or whatever, is really just a fiction. I've seen people on "the left" be just as hate-filled and uncompromising and ACT like their alleged opposition, whom they refer to as "knuckle-draggers" and "maggots."

I guess it was inevitable. People blame Donald Trump as though he is the author of all of this, but he's not. That idiot doesn't have 1/10th the brains to plan such a thing. He's a manipulator and conniving. But, most of all, he's a con man. A con man isn't complex enough to dismantle a country. This has been building for a long time. Trump exploits it, for sure. But, Americans are choosing to destroy the United States of America.
I hate Rs not because they are Rs. I hate Rs because they are trying to turn our country into a dictatorship. We Dems have problems, but you are way out of line pretending that our problems at all compare to attempted coups.
 

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Republican is going to be your only option if they get their way and keep changing the laws. It's their goal. One party, minority rule.
Well, no shit. Democrats have to learn to play the game too. But this level of far right-wing insanity will fizzle out in time. The Boomers are gradually dying off. Younger generations reject their politics and tactics.
 

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Putin and Trump are polar opposites. I agree that Trump demands loyalty to HIM, but he doesn't have anywhere near the intellect of Putin.

I don't see the die-hard Trump cult members on HROT. The people shown in Klepper videos and other media are proud and they don't hold back. I don't see many "right" folks on here that are openly, vigorously still on Trump's train. The frightened left folks on here have to resort to things like "you'd vote for him if he ran, though." That's different from being these nutcases that go to his rallies NOW.
Die hard Trumpians are here. For sure. You don't think Trad and about 20 others wouldn't vote for Trump again? C'mon, man! Absolutely they would. Are there guys here that support what happened on 1/6? Absolutely some do, because some try to downplay it. ICHerky is one for sure who doesn't have a problem with it.
 
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strummingram

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Republican is going to be your only option if they get their way and keep changing the laws. It's their goal. One party, minority rule.
And, the other side believes the exact same thing, in reverse.

So, if everyone stays on that course, it's just a matter of time before battle lines are draw. And, trust me, "Liberals" do NOT want that to happen. As Maher said, "You'll lose" and you lose all of it. I hate to type-out publicly that I believe liberals to be more intelligent, but that's their strength- intellectualism. Collectively, it requires a shift in understanding. Patience is more necessary now than ever. Humility is needed, desperately.

Remember, when liberals allow their fear of Trump to bring them down to insulting and hating other people? They are being exploited by Donald Trump even MORE than his die-hard cult followers. Don't play into his scheme.
 

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I don't agree with you. They have been taught to hate us and the talking down thing is just one of their excuses they use to defend the fact that they have been brainwashed by propaganda. It goes both ways too. MAGAs think they are smarter than and talk down to libs as well. They have been served an alternate reality for decades, based off of lies. I'm not going to love anybody who is trying to destroy America. I'm not having it.
I hate Rs not because they are Rs. I hate Rs because they are trying to turn our country into a dictatorship. We Dems have problems, but you are way out of line pretending that our problems at all compare to attempted coups.
You refuse to realize that THEY THINK THE SAME THING ABOUT YOU!

It will require one side to be more intelligent than the other... or... it will finally come to blows. And, at that point, it won't matter because then it has devolved into a reptilian/survival situation. As I said, Americans are choosing to hate each other. That is a CHOICE, make no mistake about it.
 

Huey Grey

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No, they hate libs because libs talk down to them and unleash all kinds of ad hominem attacks against them. This is a cyclical pattern. Just because they bought into Donald Trump’s bullshit does not change that reality.

If you want to “save the country,” start by doing more listening and less hating. Chis bombing on an anonymous message board is fun and definitely provides me a few laughs but you change no one’s mind with that level of incendiary rhetoric. If anyone is going to change their mind about Donald Trump, it’ll be through connecting with the heart brain.
This is a made up piece of propaganda you are falling for. It's in the same vein as claims that Obama was a communist, Biden is working with the Ukraine, or that the Clintons owned a secret sex parlor at a pizza restaurant.

Libs worrying about Climate Change, wealth equality, LGBTQ and minority rights, and keeping religion out of school isn't talking down. It's duscussing reality. What you are asking is that libs stop talking about reality. That's not reasonable.
 
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Well, no shit. Democrats have to learn to play the game too. But this level of far right-wing insanity will fizzle out in time. The Boomers are gradually dying off. Younger generations reject their politics and tactics.
I seriously hope you're right but I'm not seeing it. A year from now we could have a massive problem when the Rs take over the House again. It's being gerrymandered into happening. Biden is going to get impeached every other week over stupid shit. If this gets to authoritarian rule like Republicans want, it really isn't going to matter what the youth want. The military will be permanently under Republican control and if the masses try to revolt there will be massive amounts of Americans murdered on home soil.

I hope you get to tell me I was way off in a few years. I want to be wrong in the worst way, but I have no faith in the Republicans in power and their electorate who believe their lies.
 
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I don't agree with you. They have been taught to hate us and the talking down thing is just one of their excuses they use to defend the fact that they have been brainwashed by propaganda. It goes both ways too. MAGAs think they are smarter than and talk down to libs as well. They have been served an alternate reality for decades, based off of lies. I'm not going to love anybody who is trying to destroy America. I'm not having it.
I’m not advocating for you to agree with them or stand by idly. I don’t.

Perhaps this is the quintessential chicken and egg debate, but I have seen conservatives get attacked viciously for years dating back to W (that’s when I at least was cognizant of it). I pretty much knew a so-called populist candidate on the right would emerge someday to be the middle finger to the left I just never dreamed it would be a complete imbecile like Donald Trump.

Regardless, Donald Trump did not occur in a vacuum. If you really believe the acrimony and animosity began with Trump, you weren’t paying attention.
 

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Die hard Trumpians are here. For sure. You don't think Trad and about 20 others wouldn't vote for Trump again? C'mon, man! Absolutely they would. Are there guys here that support what happened on 1/6? Absolutely some do, because some try to downplay it. ICHerky is one for sure who doesn't have a problem with it.
Voting for him is one thing. Wanting a Trump Dictatorship is something else entirely!!! See... this is so far gone, I can't even reach those who seem to be more level-headed. There's so much blind hatred now that I don't think it even matters. People are addicted to their beliefs and they don't want to change. And, refusing to change is about the most conservative thing a person can do!
 

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You refuse to realize that THEY THINK THE SAME THING ABOUT YOU!

It will require one side to be more intelligent than the other... or... it will finally come to blows. And, at that point, it won't matter because then it has devolved into a reptilian/survival situation. As I said, Americans are choosing to hate each other. That is a CHOICE, make no mistake about it.
No I understand that perfectly. But your missing the point...they hate based on years of lies. They have been mislead and now are trying to destroy America...because they have been duped. The liberals have not. We see the reality and gravity of the situation.
 
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I seriously hope you're right but I'm not seeing it. A year from now we could have a massive problem when the Rs take over the House again. It's being gerrymandered into happening. Biden is going to get impeached every other week over stupid shit. If this gets to authoritarian rule like Republicans want, it really isn't going to matter what the youth want. The military will be permanently under Republican control and if the masses try to revolt there will be massive amounts of Americans murdered on home soil.

I hope you get to tell me I was way off in a few years. I want to be wrong in the worst way, but I have no faith in the Republicans in power and their electorate who believe their lies.
But didn't you feel that those who were involved in the alleged revolt on Jan 6th should be executed? If not you many of your posse on this board have stated it.
 

strummingram

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I’m not advocating for you to agree with them or stand by idly. I don’t.

Perhaps this is the quintessential chicken and egg debate, but I have seen conservatives get attacked viciously for years dating back to W (that’s when I at least was cognizant of it). I pretty much knew a so-called populist candidate on the right would emerge someday to be the middle finger to the left I just never dreamed it would be a complete imbecile like Donald Trump.

Regardless, Donald Trump did not occur in a vacuum. If you really believe the acrimony and animosity began with Trump, you weren’t paying attention.
It's pointless to even try. Just prepare for what's inevitably coming. It's unavoidable, now.
 

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I’m not advocating for you to agree with them or stand by idly. I don’t.

Perhaps this is the quintessential chicken and egg debate, but I have seen conservatives get attacked viciously for years dating back to W (that’s when I at least was cognizant of it). I pretty much knew a so-called populist candidate on the right would emerge someday to be the middle finger to the left I just never dreamed it would be a complete imbecile like Donald Trump.

Regardless, Donald Trump did not occur in a vacuum. If you really believe the acrimony and animosity began with Trump, you weren’t paying attention.
Oh I agree with this. The problem is, we didn't think it was possible for our democracy to die. Now we know it's on the brink and we don't want to live in an authoritarian shit hole country lead by EVIL.
 

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No I understand that perfectly. But your missing the point...they hate based on years of lies. They have been mislead and now are trying to destroy America...because they have been duped. The liberals have not. We see the reality and gravity of the situation.
Good luck! Enjoy the fight!
 

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You refuse to realize that THEY THINK THE SAME THING ABOUT YOU!

It will require one side to be more intelligent than the other... or... it will finally come to blows. And, at that point, it won't matter because then it has devolved into a reptilian/survival situation. As I said, Americans are choosing to hate each other. That is a CHOICE, make no mistake about it.
Strum, this is who you are pretending thinks the same way as me.
Wasn't Jan 6th simply a protest, part of fighting back against the liberal socialism agenda?
 
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Voting for him is one thing. Wanting a Trump Dictatorship is something else entirely!!! See... this is so far gone, I can't even reach those who seem to be more level-headed. There's so much blind hatred now that I don't think it even matters. People are addicted to their beliefs and they don't want to change. And, refusing to change is about the most conservative thing a person can do!
Dude, they don't even realize that this dictatorship is coming - most anyway. Some will embrace it. Just like in 1930s Germany. They will give authoritarian rule a great big hug, ignorantly, because they won. Or so they will be lead to believe.
 
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strummingram

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Strum, this is who you are pretending thinks the same way as me.
I'm not sure how you determined that I think that, whoever that is, "thinks the same way" as you. In fact, I hope it's the opposite. But, it appears to not be the case. You're more alike than you realize, apparently.