Maybe so on past teams but the four of Toussaint/Perkins/P. McCaffery/Murray don't have it in them to play bad defense, especially if you give them a decent rim protector.
Fredrick too when healthy, though that's not very often.
You just saw the ceiling of Iowa bball with McCaffrey as coach
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Maybe so on past teams but the four of Toussaint/Perkins/P. McCaffery/Murray don't have it in them to play bad defense, especially if you give them a decent rim protector.
Fredrick too when healthy, though that's not very often.
Likely.
Hard to see Fran having a better opportunity than this team.
Maybe he'll have a team randomly go off at the right time. Outside that, not seeing sweet 16 coming anytime soon.
Hard to see Fran having a better opportunity than this team.
Maybe he'll have a team randomly go off at the right time. Outside that, not seeing sweet 16 coming anytime soon.
Part of getting to the sweet 16 is luck like Creighton and UCLA had in meeting Ohio and Abilene Christian in the 2nd round.
Iowa just needs a break some year.
Iowa just needs a break some year.
Mocking clown fans post is just too easy. Only clown fans are ok with paying $10m to get a coach with a losing record in the WAC.
Exactly. Iowa was a really good team. As we are seeing "upsets" all over the place this tourney... It's all about getting hot at the right time.
Oregon came out scorching.
Of course our D didn't help AND that was the concern ALL SEASON.
Bad matchup, like many foresaw, when brackets came out
Gotta get that 3-6 seed......or be an underseeded 11 or 12.
Everyone who is ready to replace Fran acts like the grass is always greener on the other side. We thought that way with Davis and ended with two absolute duds. And there wasn’t one person in Hawkeye-land who thought Alford was initially a bad hire. More importantly would you really trust Barta to hire a quality coach?
Quit acting like Alford & Lickliter are in the same class.
You don't even know what conference he was in. CTR V has been wrong about 75 times every time you post it.
Fran does not recruit athletic guards; he prefers the one-dimensional shooter type.
Iowa needs more thugs plain and simple. Mix them with a few sharpshooters from the state of Iowa and we have a Sweet 16 team.
11 years a p5 coach, 0 sweet 16s. Let go of the fear of Lickliter. Alford put trophies in the case.
I must have been asleep with all of those sweet 16s Alford got Iowa to. I remember a first round exit as a 3 seed and plenty of Feb/March fades in the Alford tenure.
No. Those Lickliter teams shall not be forgotten.
Wife wanted to change cleaning lady’s and I had to reminder her what happened when Iowa walked away from Tom Davis. Never again. Never forget
Agree. What’s the answer then? With Arkansas appearance this year, there are now 88(!) different programs who have made at least the Sweet 16 since Iowa’s last visit. 88!
Risk bringing someone else in.
High risk, high reward.
Low risk, low reward.
We're 11 years down the low-reward pathway....maybe change it up!??
High risk, high reward.
Low risk, low reward.
We're 11 years down the low-reward pathway....maybe change it up!??
Almost every player under Fran improved on defense. Clemmons, Wagner, and May became lock down defenders. Woodbury, Olaseni, Gesell, Garza, Uthoff, Bohannon, Oglesby, and White all improved drastically under Fran. They didn’t all become elite defenders, but I do feel that in most cases, Fran maximized their abilities on the defensive end. Cook may be an exception
The problem for the last several years is a lack of athleticism at the guard position. Fran isn’t a bad defensive coach, nor are his schemes bad. He has been limited defensively by the players that he has brought in. I expect that Iowa will become a solid team defensively in the coming years. People forget that those Gesell/Woody/Clemmons teams actually weren’t great on offense and won games on the other end of the court
About time you figured it out. Does it make you feel better he has a losing record in the MWC vs the WAC?
Just too easy.
If this was your 4th straight cleaning lady who your wife complained about not doing everything she wanted and this one was the best of the last 3 and performing as well as the other one, I would think you might need to talk to your wife about expectations.
There does need to be some recognition of what Iowa is as a program. We are above average, but not an elite destination. We have been in the second round 4 times under Fran (almost every other year after the initial recovery years). That’s also not counting last year, where we would have had a decent seed. If Fran keeps putting the team in that position, the odds of getting hot or catching an upset team and advancing to the sweet 16 or higher seem pretty good. We were 1 point away two years ago and didn’t get a chance last year. I’ll take those odds over trying to rebuild with a new coach.
Fran is simply awful at in game adjustments. The only way we had a shot today was to slow the game down and run thru Garza every single possession. What do we do....push and push and push against a team that has way more athletes than us.
They came in with a great game plan, and we came in with the same game plan we have every game. I’m not sure it would have mattered today anyway but it could and should have been a game.
We are going to have a huge uphill battle next year. Our staring PG in his two biggest games of the year had a combined zero points, one rebound and two assists. And five fouls. Just awful. I love Jordan but his defense has always been terrible and an athletic defender can simply shut him down. I really like CJ as well, but he did look off since he came back. Really would have liked him full strength.
Oh and defense is Sherm’s job for the most part. And he’s been awful. But then again Fran brings in ton of players that have height but sow feet. So we always give up lots of easy 3’s and struggle defending dribble penetration and kick outs. Drafting defenses to cover athletic backcourts is tough when you have that disadvantage.
They came in with a great game plan, and we came in with the same game plan we have every game. I’m not sure it would have mattered today anyway but it could and should have been a game.
We are going to have a huge uphill battle next year. Our staring PG in his two biggest games of the year had a combined zero points, one rebound and two assists. And five fouls. Just awful. I love Jordan but his defense has always been terrible and an athletic defender can simply shut him down. I really like CJ as well, but he did look off since he came back. Really would have liked him full strength.
Oh and defense is Sherm’s job for the most part. And he’s been awful. But then again Fran brings in ton of players that have height but sow feet. So we always give up lots of easy 3’s and struggle defending dribble penetration and kick outs. Drafting defenses to cover athletic backcourts is tough when you have that disadvantage.
Iowa state is looking for great fans like you
Over 35 years. If my wife wanted a new housekeeper after having 4 in 34 years that had all not lived up to the one 34 years ago I wouldn't give two shits because, hell, this could be the one and I'm not getting younger. Are you so affraid of having to fire a guy after 3-4 years? The first guy on your list was born in 1938.
Edit to note: Im not a fire Fran guy but I don't like the decisions in the Athletic Department. Imo next year should have been a hard contract year but instead they resigned him. For what? The "recruits need to hear it" is bullshit. He hasn't won anything.
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If Iowa were smart and the AD was dialed in they would have hired a more balanced coach that could and would recruit the Chicago/Minneapolis/Detroit area's much better. The occasional Iowa kid that is good is fine but the larger urban area's are where the great athlete's are. I have not heard Iowa even mentioned for the top rated kids in the Omaha area. 1 has already committed to Wisconsin. Both of the MCaffery's seem to have been way over rated in HS. Neither appears to be B1G talent...JMO Neither 1 of them has an outside shot nor do they appear to be real athletic. Neither 1 of them would play much for a top tier power conference team.
Your try for a Save doesn’t work.
Now you’ll have to actually type a new response instead of using CTR V.
Just once. Then you can CTR V away. I know new material is foreign to you.
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WHAT?!!
It doesn’t warm your heart to watch him coach his sons?
What kind of a monster are you?
Tom Davis was a much better all around coach than Fran but Davis was a lazy recruiter.
Hey Cygotrailedagain, want to make sure Inhave this right, is your IQ so feeble that I know need to tell you when you are being set up? The obvious flies right over your head. You mean you didn’t hear that giant whooshing noise over your head?
isu pays $10m to get a coach that has a losing record in the WAC and clown fans fully support it .
We want more. We want more. We want more.
This wasn't the ceiling,.. the loss to Tennessee was higher than this,.. Will it get better?,.. don't know,.. doesn't really matter,. it's only college basketball.
Let's keep in mind how experienced our team was overall...
Three-point defense: Rank 231
Steals per game: Rank 260
Total PPG allowed: Tied at 224
We may have a few better defenders in our younger players but damn, we're in year 11/12. I don't know how Iowa City became a place where you go to get a job for life when accomplishments are few....
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Yep, by that logic we should have kept Lickliter too...you can’t get a feel for a coach unless they’re around for 15+ years. Let them get 3-4 recruiting cycles under their belt at the school.
who knows where Lick would have us right now!
Not sure what i juvenile, Fran has proven time and time again he can't do any better even with the best player he will ever have and the best team he will ever have he can't get out of the first weekend cause he SUCKS as a coach!
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