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Zelenskyy/Trump press conference...

Doesn't history tell us Great Britain 'won' WW II...or at least were on the winning team?

So I guess it worked out okay.
Well, if the goal was not "to see their citizens die by the hundreds of thousands" as you stated, they had over 750k casualties, a number certainly exacerbated by not strangling the Nazi regime in the cradle when the opportunity was there.
 
I haven't planned my way through the peace process of a different sovereign nation just yet. I do support aiding a nation that was our ally and an ally to European nations that were also our allies. Ukraine was invaded and the US/Europe has exposed Russia of being pretty weak militarily compared to the previous perception. This could all be over today if the invaders would pack it up and go back to their land. Supporting Russia in this scenario would be similar to supporting the Nazis in WW2.

Republicans went from we don't negotiate with terrorists to let's try economic imperialism in the Ukraine while Russia tries to take land.
Lol. Putin's not pulling his troops out of Ukraine after losing 400,000 of them to get where they are now. So keep fighting is your choice.

And when Ukraine runs out of men to fight what next?
 
To what end? Ukraine is dead if we do or don’t send arms.
They haven't died yet. Why does it seem you are encouraging loss of life for them. Why are we not going after Putin for Russia's aggression. Why does it appear you are defending Trump and Vance with the way they acted today. There is no legitimate reason to support them.
 
Well, if the goal was not "to see their citizens die by the hundreds of thousands" as you stated, they had over 750k casualties, a number certainly exacerbated by not strangling the Nazi regime in the cradle when the opportunity was there.
My problem is with the mental midget on this board who constantly refers to Chamberlain whenever he wants to make a point about Ukraine and Russia.

(BBC)
In retrospect, the depressing reality is that there was probably no right answer to the crucial problems confronting British policy makers at the time. By the mid-1930s Britain was defending a vast and vulnerable empire encompassing a quarter of the world's territory and population, with the dismally depleted military resources of a third-rate power.
Worse still, since 1934 the Cabinet had grimly recognised that it was "beyond the resources of this country to make proper provision in peace for defence of the British Empire against three major powers in three different theatres of war". Furthermore, the threat posed separately by Japan, Germany and Italy was compounded by the conviction that war with any one of them would inevitably provoke opportunistic "mad dog" acts by the others.
As the leader of a militarily weak and overstretched empire, such fears were crucial in shaping Chamberlain's strategy, but this meant steering a course within the relatively narrow parameters defined by a complex inter-related web of geo-strategic, military, economic, financial, industrial, intelligence and electoral constraints.
 
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Trump: hey Zalenskyy get the fvck out of my house.
It’s not his house, it’s ours.
My research tells me that Putin has achieved nothing more than a WW1 type stalemate in three years against a much smaller and weaker opponent. Lost a capital ship and several generals in the process. No need for us to get involved in another forever-war.
Not a bad comparison, tho Russia has continued to slowly squeeze them, and Ukraine can’t win a draw…they don’t have the numbers. Manpower overall is the one main advantage they’ve had.

Not the least of the reasons WW1 was a stalemate was that once the war faded into trenches, the numbers largely became.
 
The US military will not like this at all.

Oh wait, the brass that knows better has been fired.

All done by a draft dodger and a racist Afrikaner
Link to enlisted poeple opposed to what happened today. You relatives that work for US Navy, if this is true, don't comprise the US Military. I'm convinced more than ever you're a liar, and stolen valor. You should be ashamed.
 
Well, there are some folks from both sides that are not.

I always admit when I was wrong. Wife makes me do it weekly. No sense in denying things. I was a College Republican. When I challenged them to debates, they would always go back to the party lines rather than have a serious discussion. You could call me a Jim Leach or John McCain GOP and it wouldn't offend me.

But that party doesn't exist anymore
I voted for Jim Leach every chance I had.
 
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Seems someone is sensitive about their non-linked fantasy net worth! What a silly person!
Have you posted anything germane to anything? Ever? Linked to any of your made up fantasies? Ever? No, no you haven't. Fixated on your on net worth however. I did say life has a nice little scoreboard for these types of things.
 
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Is Musk a world leader trying to negotiate a deal for mineral rights as repayment for our kindness of giving them billion in taxpayer money and military aid?

I believe Zalenskyy wore the same clothes while he addressed (begged Congress) for more money.
It has been his "uniform" for the entire war.
Totally false. You have two options; negotiate a peace or fight World War III.
Some don't realize that forcing Europe to support Ukraine alone will encourage Putin and probably make it even more likely to start WW3. This is a worse option than for the US to increase support and give security guarantees. trump is a fool and doing the opposite of what he should be doing if he actually supported Europe.
 
Who would they invade oh wise one?
Multiple countries in the last decade they invaded he said. When I asked him for a list at least he came back and admitted he was wrong. I have some respect for that. But I also asked him what he based his prediction on, and he never came back to answer that. I think we all know the answer. His opinion is his opinion, but not really based on reality. Which is fine, but I love how these guys post things as fact when it is merely something they read on Bluesky. They really, really do not like being questioned. And really, really do not like links that show how full of crap they are.
 
You’re just another despicable person who was ok with how his guy withdrew from Afghanistan. And somehow in your ass backwards mind, you think the way Trump talked to Zelensky is more embarrassing.

Go **** yourself.
Maybe learn about the whole Afghanistan withdrawal was negotiated. The guy who is destroying American democracy is FAR worse than what happened in that withdrawal my condolences to the families...but the country we grew up loving is being destroyed and handed over to Russia by a rapist felon. Dickhead.
 
It has been his "uniform" for the entire war.

Some don't realize that forcing Europe to support Ukraine alone will encourage Putin and probably make it even more likely to start WW3. This is a worse option than for the US to increase support and give security guarantees. trump is a fool and doing the opposite of what he should be doing if he actually supported Europe.
What does victory look like? What does the future look like in your scenario?
 
It has been his "uniform" for the entire war.

Some don't realize that forcing Europe to support Ukraine alone will encourage Putin and probably make it even more likely to start WW3. This is a worse option than for the US to increase support and give security guarantees. trump is a fool and doing the opposite of what he should be doing if he actually supported Europe.
Exactly. We have had conditions that have prevented WWIII in place for nearly 80 years which have also led to tremendous economic prosperity for the United States. Trump wants to return to a spheres of influence world order similar to the conditions that resulted in WWI and WWII.
 
What do the dipstick Dems have to run on besides Orange man bad? No one likes their domestic or foreign policies.
Orange man insane? Nobody likes their polices? Trump won by 1% and he is massively turning people off many polls say so. You know the moderates, can't win without moderates. You do realize this or are in an echo chamber.
 
Trump offers a peace plan that wasn’t in Ukraine’s favor, with no guarantee that Putin won’t break that agreement like he broke the last one, which requires Ukraine to give up massive mineral riches to America and then we have the gall to ask Zelenskyy to say thank you for the privilege?

What a f*cked up team we have elected. America is NOT the leader of the free world. We have become just another run of the mill strongman who thinks that might makes right.
Just wait until Ukraine’s riches are in Europe’s hands, and the tarrifs that will be imposed.

Americans will be crying about why things are so expensive and why we can’t get materials.
 
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