100% On Topic and Civil Thread on AJ Ferrari's Wrestling Future

[MSU158]

copying and pasting data and citing the source, to me, is a far cry form "twisting to fit a party line narrative"

explaining why spending signed by a president and passed with near unanimous support from his party shouldn't actually be applied to that president - that sounds a lot more like "twisting to fit a party line narrative"

Yet you prefaced your post with, "for people who actually care about facts". Numbers, WITHOUT the supporting data are often misleading as hell and the way you provided them is a CLEAR "twisting" tactic.

You can cry innocent all you want, but it in NO WAY changes what I posted...

 

[anon_0pi0cv8t1ggvb]

Honestly? I am simply trying to just ignore you. My last response to your negativity, insults and full on lack of civility was very clear. I owe you NOTHING. There is no point in my continuing a back and forth with you when you have shown time and time again you are not only 100% unwilling to consider any differing opinion, but you will unabashedly insult anyone that has one.

You can continue to be "shocked" or whatever term you want to use and I will be happy to keep making you that way. Peace and prosperity to you and yours!

There it is.

You're backed into a corner where you know you can't answer the questions honestly without contradicting your entire position.

And you keep claiming I won't consider other "opinions". That's nonsense. I won't consider "alternative facts". Alternative facts aren't real. They're ideas deluded people believe to keep their twisted worldview intact.

I asked you 4 questions that should easily be able to be answered with a simple yes or no and all 4 of those questions have only one correct answer that isn't an "opinion". The answers are objective, indisputable facts. Anyone not acknowledging those facts is biased and deluded. There's a very obvious reason why you dodged the questions.

 

[anon_0pi0cv8t1ggvb]

Yet you prefaced your post with, "for people who actually care about facts". Numbers, WITHOUT the supporting data are often misleading as hell and the way you provided them is a CLEAR "twisting" tactic.

You can cry innocent all you want, but it in NO WAY changes what I posted...

Again, you attack the person who provided objective facts in response to a MAGA cultist hypocritical crying about spending and deficit growth under Biden. You don't call out the hypocrisy being spewed by the MAGA Trumper.

Again, for someone who claims to despise Trump, you sure have an extremely hard time holding the Trump followers to any sort of logical/consistent standard.

 

[MizzuHawk]

your camera will see someone else sitting in my seats

Your choice. Your right. Regardless, it will be rocking at Carver.

 

[MAGAman]

There it is.

You're backed into a corner where you know you can't answer the questions honestly without contradicting your entire position.

And you keep claiming I won't consider other "opinions". That's nonsense. I won't consider "alternative facts". Alternative facts aren't real. They're ideas deluded people believe to keep their twisted worldview intact.

I asked you 4 questions that should easily be able to be answered with a simple yes or no and all 4 of those questions have only one correct answer that isn't an "opinion". The answers are objective, indisputable facts. Anyone not acknowledging those facts is biased and deluded. There's a very obvious reason why you dodged the questions.

It will be nice when vodka girl gets a job. Will hopefully minimize his presence on here of his nonsense.

 

[anon_0pi0cv8t1ggvb]

Trump has violated the conditions of his bail and has violated his gag orders yet again today. Multiple times within the past two days. Any other citizen would have already had their bail revoked.

He's playing with fire and pushing past the boundaries of the law.

 

[anon_0pi0cv8t1ggvb]

It will be nice when vodka girl gets a job. Will hopefully minimize his presence on here of his nonsense.

This is my job. I have a multitude of special interest groups paying me to post here.

 

[MAGAman]

This is my job. I have a multitude of special interest groups paying me to post here.

Well that makes sense. Is there such a word as “in-influencer”?? Yep

 

[anon_0pi0cv8t1ggvb]

Well that makes sense. Is there such a word as “in-influencer”?? Yep

Technically you can consider me part of the deep state.

 

[anon_0pi0cv8t1ggvb]

House GQP just elected Mike Johnson, an election denier, hardcore MAGA trumper who supported and was complicit in the attempted overthrow of the 2020 election.

The party is completely irredeemable. Yet @MSU158 disputes the claim that at least 90% of the GQP are in the cult. Alternate reality must be a trip.

 

[MSU158]

There it is.

You're backed into a corner where you know you can't answer the questions honestly without contradicting your entire position.

And you keep claiming I won't consider other "opinions". That's nonsense. I won't consider "alternative facts". Alternative facts aren't real. They're ideas deluded people believe to keep their twisted worldview intact.

I asked you 4 questions that should easily be able to be answered with a simple yes or no and all 4 of those questions have only one correct answer that isn't an "opinion". The answers are objective, indisputable facts. Anyone not acknowledging those facts is biased and deluded. There's a very obvious reason why you dodged the questions.

Again, I owe you nothing. Believe what you want, you have ALREADY shown that is what you do NO MATTER what I say. I made that decision PRIOR to your perceived "gotcha" questions. Which in NO WAY are even close to that. I have just decided there is NO POINT in continuing this with you.

We are to the point that we are basically saying the same things over and over to each other in somewhat different formats. Now, I am happy to let the legal parts play out and see how that goes.

Lastly, for the future record, my confidence in his being found not guilty of felony charges are as follows:

1.) Florida-I think these are a joke and I wouldn't be surprised if this gets dropped prior to actually going to trial.
2.) D.C.- There is no way in hell you can prove he in ANY WAY coordinated the January 6th riot, nor does his asking for Pence to "Do his job" consititute anything to convict of these charges.
3.) New York-Everyone does their best to maximize their value when it benefits them and minimize it when they have to pay taxes. I am sure he has done enough to warrant some form of civil sanctions, but I am still very doubtful his actions reached felonious levels. Still, after seeing the civil case proceedings so far, I could see a jury of his "peers" convicting the rich guy for using the system to get richer.
4.)Georgia- If they do get him, I think it will be here. Unlike the D.C. mobs, he had direct connections to these people that have all taken deals. As such, they can at least give testimony that can try to show a direct link to Trump and show him as the "ring leader". Now, I am still far from believing they will be credible enough to do more than SAY they were following his orders. Without a memo, text, email or some other proof of direct contact, this case proving his guilt will still almost certainly come down to whether or not the jury believes any negative witness testimony, beyond a reasonable doubt. With that said, I will say that if they get Trump on any felonies this is the case it happens...

Feel free to use the above once the cases come to conclusion. Until then, I am not going down this road with you any further. Much like you said to me while insulting me, "take that how you will"..

 

[T8KUDWN]

House GQP just elected Mike Johnson, an election denier, hardcore MAGA trumper who supported and was complicit in the attempted overthrow of the 2020 election.

The party is completely irredeemable. Yet @MSU158 disputes the claim that at least 90% of the GQP are in the cult. Alternate reality must be a trip.

I think the best thing we could all do is start ignoring you. Not respond back to anything from you at all.
You'd probably continue to babble on and throw out insults and talk about crap most of us don't care about, but that would just show how big of a moran you really are.

 

[anon_0pi0cv8t1ggvb]

Again, I owe you nothing. Believe what you want, you have ALREADY shown that is what you do NO MATTER what I say. I made that decision PRIOR to your perceived "gotcha" questions. Which in NO WAY are even close to that. I have just decided there is NO POINT in continuing this with you.

We are to the point that we are basically saying the same things over and over to each other in somewhat different formats. Now, I am happy to let the legal parts play out and see how that goes.

Lastly, for the future record, my confidence in his being found not guilty of felony charges are as follows:

1.) Florida-I think these are a joke and I wouldn't be surprised if this gets dropped prior to actually going to trial.
2.) D.C.- There is no way in hell you can prove he in ANY WAY coordinated the January 6th riot, nor does his asking for Pence to "Do his job" consititute anything to convict of these charges.
3.) New York-Everyone does their best to maximize their value when it benefits them and minimize it when they have to pay taxes. I am sure he has done enough to warrant some form of civil sanctions, but I am still very doubtful his actions reached felonious levels. Still, after seeing the civil case proceedings so far, I could see a jury of his "peers" convicting the rich guy for using the system to get richer.
4.)Georgia- If they do get him, I think it will be here. Unlike the D.C. mobs, he had direct connections to these people that have all taken deals. As such, they can at least give testimony that can try to show a direct link to Trump and show him as the "ring leader". Now, I am still far from believing they will be credible enough to do more than SAY they were following his orders. Without a memo, text, email or some other proof of direct contact, this case proving his guilt will still almost certainly come down to whether or not the jury believes any negative witness testimony, beyond a reasonable doubt. With that said, I will say that if they get Trump on any felonies this is the case it happens...

Feel free to use the above once the cases come to conclusion. Until then, I am not going down this road with you any further. Much like you said to me while insulting me, "take that how you will"..

So you will in fact "continue" - you just typed a multi paragraph response. You just won't answer yes or no to four simple questions to see if we both agree on objective facts.

It is impressive, the effort you'll give to twisting yourself into a pretzel, to avoid responding to questions that identify and bring to forefront the contradictions and unreasonableness of your position.

It's not hard. Yes or no. Four simple questions. Quit ducking.

 

[MSU158]

Again, you attack the person who provided objective facts in response to a MAGA cultist hypocritical crying about spending and deficit growth under Biden. You don't call out the hypocrisy being spewed by the MAGA Trumper.

Again, for someone who claims to despise Trump, you sure have an extremely hard time holding the Trump followers to any sort of logical/consistent standard.

To be clear, I don't like Trump. However, that doesn't mean I have some major issue with those that do.



1.)Do I believe the election was stolen? No. Do I care if others want to believe it? No, it really doesn't bother me.
2.)Do I believe his policies as President were bad? No. So, do I care if others want him as President? No.

Now, if I believed he did the illegal things you do, I most certainly would have an issue with him. But, I don't. My real issues with him is that he has created such a spectacle due to his mouth and open disdain for anyone that disgarees with him. This has directly caused major problems for the Republican Party. That is the reason I want him gone and out of politics.

My party is starting to look like MSU's Athletic Department. One guy(Nassar/Trump) has created so much chaos, for way different reasons, that those left in power are so afraid of their own shadows that can't unify, pick a new leader and move out of the ashes...

With that said, I refer you back to my last post on this topic. I won't engage with you further until we get a direct Trump criminal verdict, plea or any charges being dropped. Until then, peace out!

 

[anon_0pi0cv8t1ggvb]

I think the best thing we could all do is start ignoring you. Not respond back to anything from you at all.
You'd probably continue to babble on and throw out insults and talk about crap most of us don't care about, but that would just show how big of a moran you really are.

You all could and should, but you won't. It hurts the ego to have objective facts thrown in your face contradicting your beliefs and most will lash out emotionally or deflect with whataboutism rather than confronting the cold hard facts.

 

[anon_0pi0cv8t1ggvb]

To be clear, I don't like Trump. However, that doesn't mean I have some major issue with those that do.



1.)Do I believe the election was stolen? No. Do I care if others want to believe it? No, it really doesn't bother me.
2.)Do I believe his policies as President were bad? No. So, do I care if others want him as President? No.

Now, if I believed he did the illegal things you do, I most certainly would have an issue with him. But, I don't. My real issues with him is that he has created such a spectacle due to his mouth and open disdain for anyone that disgarees with him. This has directly caused major problems for the Republican Party. That is the reason I want him gone and out of politics.

My party is starting to look like MSU's Athletic Department. One guy(Nassar/Trump) has created so much chaos, for way different reasons, that those left in power are so afraid of their own shadows that can't unify, pick a new leader and move out of the ashes...

With that said, I refer you back to my last post on this topic. I won't engage with you further until we get a direct Trump criminal verdict, plea or any charges being dropped. Until then, peace out!

I'd argue that the reason you don't believe that he has done illegal things is because you're inundated with right wing propaganda telling you this is a witch hunt, the DOJ is being weaponized, etc. rather than looking at the indisputable facts that are already in broad daylight. Answer the four questions if you're so convinced that he did not attempt to overthrow democracy.

And it should bother any pro democracy citizen that tens of millions of Americans and their elected representatives either authentically believe the election was stolen, or manipulatively claim it was to win Trump's support and the MAGA vote.

The nonchalant and apathetic tolerance of a former president attempting to overturn an election that he lost is an insane position to hold.

 

[MSU158]

Just as I typed my, apt at the time comparison, the house Republican unanimously voted in a Speaker on his first try. Finally, some unity.

 

[Sharky1203]

Trump spent more than any other president in history in a 4 year period.

TDS is you and your fellow cultists still supporting him despite him trying to overthrow democracy.

I've said this once before, every President spends more than the last because of economic growth. Biden will beat him with even more spent. The next President after Biden will spend even more. This will continue to happen, U until we go bankrupt.

 

[anon_0pi0cv8t1ggvb]

I've said this once before, every President spends more than the last because of economic growth. Biden will beat him with even more spent. The next President after Biden will spend even more. This will continue to happen, U until we go bankrupt.

If that's the truth, then why do GQP supporters throw a tirade at spending when Dems are in office, but ignore the topic when their GQP holds office? Hypocrisy.

 

[anon_0pi0cv8t1ggvb]

Just as I typed my, apt at the time comparison, the house Republican unanimously voted in a Speaker on his first try. Finally, some unity.

Unity in the MAGA cult, no doubt. If that's the unity you're looking for, God help you.

Mike Johnson is a high ranking MAGA lieutenant and was complicit in the attempt to overturn the election results.

 

[Sharky1203]

You are right. Trump pretended there was no Covid.

WTF are you talking about? He made the announcement when they were trying to impeach him over a phone call. The Dems cried he was changing the situation. Then he said that it came from China and they called him racist. He called on Nancy to help him to combat it and she laughed at him and said he should be removed by article 25 for being crazy. He called for the lockdown for two weeks. Then that's when the Dems took over and made it completely retarded for political purposes.

 

[Sharky1203]

If that's the truth, then why do GQP supporters throw a tirade at spending when Dems are in office, but ignore the topic when their GQP holds office? Hypocrisy.

It's politics. Someone can do 95% good and the opponent will point to the 5%. They quote stats and numbers leaving out what they want and insert what they need to make their point.

 

[Sharky1203]

Unity in the MAGA cult, no doubt. If that's the unity you're looking for, God help you.

Mike Johnson is a high ranking MAGA lieutenant and was complicit in the attempt to overturn the election results.

You do know that not everyone in the GOP are MAGA, right?

Quick question for you. Do like Al Gore?

 

[T8KUDWN]

You all could and should, but you won't. It hurts the ego to have objective facts thrown in your face contradicting your beliefs and most will lash out emotionally or deflect with whataboutism rather than confronting the cold hard facts.

Hell, the last conversation I had with you on this thread you threw out words in your reply that I never said. It's like you go out of your way to start an argument.

 

[Sharky1203]

If that's the truth, then why do GQP supporters throw a tirade at spending when Dems are in office, but ignore the topic when their GQP holds office? Hypocrisy.

Because many people are sick of the Government spending money like drunken sailors fresh off the boat. Especially when they are struggling to get jobs with decent wages, medical bills, trouble finding a house that doesn't take half their income per month for payment, cars being so expensive that the payment is more of a mortgage than a car payment, running up credit cards to pay for gas. I loathed Trump when he signed the Democrats spending bill. He sold out the voters. We have to get the Gov. Spending under control or we will be bankrupt. Just print more doesn't work, paper money is nothing more than an IOU by definition. Printing more just makes the IOU bigger. Eventually they will call the IOU.

 

[Kuch96]

I'm not going to keep going back and forth with you on this.

LOL!

 

[MAGAman]

House GQP just elected Mike Johnson, an election denier, hardcore MAGA trumper who supported and was complicit in the attempted overthrow of the 2020 election.

The party is completely irredeemable. Yet @MSU158 disputes the claim that at least 90% of the GQP are in the cult. Alternate reality must be a trip.

Unbelievalble pick. One of the all time great speeches right up there with reagan and PDT! Great choice! Get shit done type of guy!

 

[Sharky1203]

this? you think this says taxes will be raised 7% this year?

The IRS will soon set new tax brackets for 2024. Here's what that means for your money.

The IRS is set to announce new tax bracket thresholds for the 2024 tax year. One expert says to expect a 5.4% increase from last year.

www.cbsnews.com

Lol, I'm glad you did look it up on your own, not many on here do. But there are several articles, and you choose the one that had 5%, but many experts are saying 7% is closer to what is needed to cover the huge debt that has been given to the tax payers.

 

[anon_0pi0cv8t1ggvb]

It's politics. Someone can do 95% good and the opponent will point to the 5%. They quote stats and numbers leaving out what they want and insert what they need to make their point.

Agreed. Nice to see that acknowledgement.

 

[anon_0pi0cv8t1ggvb]

You do know that not everyone in the GOP are MAGA, right?

Name me any reps who aren't MAGA then. They just voted in unanimous support for a hyper MAGA speaker who was one of the architects of the attempt at overturning the 2020 election in support of Trump.

 

[MAGAman]

Name me any reps who aren't MAGA then. They just voted in unanimous support for a hyper MAGA speaker who was one of the architects of the attempt at overturning the 2020 election in support of Trump.

Just to remind you all-MAGA means make america great again. Why would anyone oppose MAGA. Its right and best for all

 

[anon_0pi0cv8t1ggvb]

Unbelievalble pick. One of the all time great speeches right up there with reagan and PDT! Great choice! Get shit done type of guy!

Anyone who @MAGAman or @IRONBIRD endorses is a a horrible politician.

 

[anon_0pi0cv8t1ggvb]

Just to remind you all-MAGA means make america great again. Why would anyone oppose MAGA. Its right and best for all

Let's not play stupid and argue like an 8 year old. Embarrassingly dumb argument.

 

[MAGAman]

Anyone who @MAGAman or @IRONBIRD endorses is a a horrible politician.

As opposed to your list. Joe Biden, AOC, Jill, Warren, Bernie Sanders, the squad, etc. I’ll take my side every day and so will most of America you dip shit

 

[T8KUDWN]

Anyone who @MAGAman or @IRONBIRD endorses is a a horrible politician.

Curiosity got the best of me...
Name some politicians you endorse.

 

[MAGAman]

Let's not play stupid and argue like an 8 year old. Embarrassingly dumb argument.

I got to get back to work so I can keep supporting people like vodka girl

 

[Sharky1203]

Name me any reps who aren't MAGA then. They just voted in unanimous support for a hyper MAGA speaker who was one of the architects of the attempt at overturning the 2020 election in support of Trump.

So I will say this, I don't deny that Biden got more votes, the election was called and voted by Congress and made President.

The only thing is this, the answers for the weird things that happened during the voting time. I know the courts said. But all they said was they didn't want to hear the cases. They didn't investigate. Trump's team did, but outside people never did. I understand no judge wanted their name on anything at all with it after liberals burnt and destroyed damn near half the cities in the US the months prior. I just wanted the same consideration that Al Gore got where they were trying to find the intent of the voters in Miami. The same consideration that 2004 and Ohio got. The same consideration that Al Franken got in Minnesota in 2008. The same consideration Hillary got in 2016. The same consideration that Fat Butt in Georgia got in 2018. They all got investigated and figured out in court. Trump didn't get that. Did he try and take the country over, No. Did he throw a tantrum, Yes. But he should have been afforded the same as the others. That's the American way. MAGA isn't a cult or a group of crazy people. It's a movement of people sick of the status quo that has taken over the Government. I wish you understood that, instead of demonizing it. It started long before Trump. It used to be the Tea Party. The people who went to the Jan 6th ordeal, well I believe 99% were there in good faith. A few acted like morons and caused a bad thing. The same can be said about the summer of brotherly love. Most were there under good faith, but a small group acted like morons. Watts riots, Rodney King, etc It's repetitive in nature. A few give a bunch a bad name.

 

[jneffer]

Lol, I'm glad you did look it up on your own, not many on here do. But there are several articles, and you choose the one that had 5%, but many experts are saying 7% is closer to what is needed to cover the huge debt that has been given to the tax payers.

you specifically called out a CBS news article, and now that's the one I strategically "chose" because it had a lower rate...whatever, man

also, please read the article. the higher the rate, the better for taxpayers, most of us at least. they are increasing the standard deduction. they are increasing the thresholds of each tax bracket. that means more income is either exempted from income tax, or it will take more income to move through each progressive tax bracket

it is in no way shape or form an increase in the income tax rate

 

[jneffer]

Just to remind you all-MAGA means make america great again. Why would anyone oppose MAGA. Its right and best for all

so by your logic, if a politician came out with a slogan of "Make America Even Better Than Great", you would automatically support them

if making america great is good, isn't making america even better than great even better? why would anyone oppose MAEBTG?

 

[MAGAman]

So I will say this, I don't deny that Biden got more votes, the election was called and voted by Congress and made President.

The only thing is this, the answers for the weird things that happened during the voting time. I know the courts said. But all they said was they didn't want to hear the cases. They didn't investigate. Trump's team did, but outside people never did. I understand no judge wanted their name on anything at all with it after liberals burnt and destroyed damn near half the cities in the US the months prior. I just wanted the same consideration that Al Gore got where they were trying to find the intent of the voters in Miami. The same consideration that 2004 and Ohio got. The same consideration that Al Franken got in Minnesota in 2008. The same consideration Hillary got in 2016. The same consideration that Fat Butt in Georgia got in 2018. They all got investigated and figured out in court. Trump didn't get that. Did he try and take the country over, No. Did he throw a tantrum, Yes. But he should have been afforded the same as the others. That's the American way. MAGA isn't a cult or a group of crazy people. It's a movement of people sick of the status quo that has taken over the Government. I wish you understood that, instead of demonizing it. It started long before Trump. It used to be the Tea Party. The people who went to the Jan 6th ordeal, well I believe 99% were there in good faith. A few acted like morons and caused a bad thing. The same can be said about the summer of brotherly love. Most were there under good faith, but a small group acted like morons. Watts riots, Rodney King, etc It's repetitive in nature. A few give a bunch a bad name.

Very well put!