Didn't say it was.
But 8 of those games were par per Vegas.
Have you been reading the thread?
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But 8 of those games were par per Vegas.
Have you been reading the thread?
That's a generous spin on a coach with career 6-12 NCAA tourney record and 30 year head coaching career with 0 Sweet16's.
I guess Fran's strong point was he mostly had teams that got into the tourney as low seeds and were quickly dispatched
by higher seeds. The two times he did have higher seeded teams at Iowa, he got blown by Oregon and managed to lose to an A10 Richmond team.
McCollum with 1 year as Div1 head coach looks to be on a better path...1-1 in NCAA tourney and the team he lost to made the Elite8, which wasn't the case with Fran's two big fails vs Oregon and Richmond.
BMAC has a more difficult job ahead of him than the non-NIL era that Fran coached in. Beth was smart to pull the plug. Fran can
go down in history as the high basement/low Ceiling coach that also has stigma of his Nepotism in regards to his two boys playing ahead of the Murray brothers..
LOL you can't be real
Four wins in 15 years. Four.
You probably think Connor's 13 points in 6 career NCAA tourney games is good too
I think this guy gets high on some good shit before he posts.
I think putting Connor's game log in the NCAA tournament is a pretty easy way to sum-up Fran's coaching malpractice in the NCAA tournament.
2019 W vs Cincy, 3 points in 11 min
2019 L vs Tenn, 0 pts in 13 min
2021 W vs GC, 0 pts in 13 min
2021 L vs Or, 0 pts in 12 min -- Fun fact, Connor and PMac played a total of 32 minutes while Joe T, Tony P, Kris M and CJF played a total of 42 minutes. Absolute insanity
2022 L vs Richmond, 0 pts in 23 min --- He played more minuetes than Joe T, Kris and Payton. Mind-blowing. This marks 60+ straight minutes in the NCAA tournament of scoreless basketball. How is this even possible?
2023 L vs Auburn, 9 points in 28 minutes --- Raised his NCAA tournament PPG from 0.6 to 2.0. Not bad a for a 37 year old
And the following year, we got to witness PMac playing 23 minutes a game of zero ****s given basketball
Keep up the great work @eyesofhawk
Talk about a spin. You're doing exactly what I'm calling fans out for.
AGAIN, you are combining two separate narratives. Since you've attached my post, I will again remind you that only one of those two narratives is the subject matter of my post.
In the spirit of fan exaggeration, you are even extending Fran's dance record to include previous schools.
Again, my point was never to defend Fran, but to call out exaggerative fans. So how well BMAC does or has done is also irrelevant to my posts.
The fans are the ones who have embellished Fran's performance in the 11 tourney games at Iowa. Vegas sets the realistic expectations for performance, not Iowa fans. And again, Iowa wasn't far off from what those Vegas expectations were.
Then for a cherry on top you've added an additional bullshit narrative about nepotism. Great job! Really spot on example of the exact behavior I'm calling out
Back on topic:
Added Huff and Brennan to the portal prospect list at the top.
Added Huff and Brennan to the portal prospect list at the top.
I think of NCAA tourney success as a poker game. There are two ways you can be successful.
For some, you can get a lot of good cards every hand, and that generally yields eventual consistent success. But getting good cards every hand is rare.
For most, you are only going to get a few really good hands. So the only way to have success is to win big when you have the right cards.
Iowa basketball is in that second group. In the past several decades, we have only had 3 really good hands: 2006, 2021, and 2022. One of those was Alford; the other two were Fran. And all 3 times we failed to win big. All 3 times, we had the cards, but we blew it.
We can come up with whatever explanations we want to, but at the end of the day, the record is the record.
For some, you can get a lot of good cards every hand, and that generally yields eventual consistent success. But getting good cards every hand is rare.
For most, you are only going to get a few really good hands. So the only way to have success is to win big when you have the right cards.
Iowa basketball is in that second group. In the past several decades, we have only had 3 really good hands: 2006, 2021, and 2022. One of those was Alford; the other two were Fran. And all 3 times we failed to win big. All 3 times, we had the cards, but we blew it.
We can come up with whatever explanations we want to, but at the end of the day, the record is the record.
Why is this discussion part of a roster tracking thread?
15 years was long enough. Time to move on.
Vegas is setting the line for people to bet. The University of Iowa paid Fran and made a decision on whether his performance met their expectations the last 15 years and was "above or below par". They decide to cut bait. Enough said.....
Vegas has to be accurate with their betting lines to achieve equal action. So essentially they are in the business of prediction.
So again, Vegas sets more realistic expectations than do Iowa fans.
AGAIN, you are mixing two separate narratives. This distinction has been made several times in this thread. The overall tournament achievements in 15 (actually 14) seasons is not the same topic as the characterization of the performance level in the actual 11 tourney games that were played. You guys can't possibly be this stupid.
If you want to talk about the overall tourney achievements in 14 seasons, that's fine. But don't attach my posts because I've been talking about something entirely different.
I can't believe I have to keep responding to the same mouth-drool over and over again
Yes, FFS start a new thread about Fran if you want, but don't muck up this thread on our developing roster.
You've said multiple times that you are not defending Fran, but if the vast majority of people believe that you are, then you need to learn how to communicate at a higher level. The perception is that you were, and thus all of our later denials have not been effective. Why, because the narrative was set by your initial post and all subsequent denials are perceived to be insincere. Once the narrative is set, the best course of action is to own it internally and keep quiet.
You don't have too. S'ingTFU is an option.
March 22, 2021 game says it all. Saying it was mind-boggling doesn't do it justice.
I'm in the tent that is thankful that we have finally moved on.
Thank you Beth!!!!
So because people don't know how to read, I am now being accused of "denying" something I never said. You literally can't make this shit up. Try again. This time it's ok to take it as a given that I know what the hell the intent of my own posts have been.
Not sure what you're talking about, but #212 is my first post in this thread that pertains to fan narratives. It seems pretty well communicated that the post is about ridiculous fan narratives.
But evidently there was some misinterpretation that I clarified on a couple of occasions. And evidently people have blatantly disregarded those clarifications and continued to misinterpret my posts. Somehow that's supposed to be on me?
It's very simple. Calling out fans is not the same thing as defending Fran. I don't know how else to say it. Add in the fact that many have brought up the lack of overall tourney achievements in 14 seasons, and I haven't argued against that point with any of them. I even said it was "fine" for someone to have that viewpoint. How is that defending Fran, lmao?
There has been someone liking my posts in this thread. How the hell has he been able to keep up and understand the intentions of my posts? My guess would be because he is not an idiot
No, I'm not going to let people mischaracterize my posts. I don't appreciate it.
You don't have to agree with my takes. But don't put words into my mouth
Records mean nothing. After 15 years, we knew Frans upside. We don't know Bens, or any other coach we would have hired. It's just exciting seeing how far we can go. Just let it go.
Here is a good spot to continue further discussion around our former HC >> CLICK <<
Meanwhile, any roster update rumors to share?
Meanwhile, any roster update rumors to share?
Where is the link to further discuss idiot fans?
Oh wait, accountability is not part of the idiot fan makeup, so there probably is no link
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It's there, you just have to know what to look for. Kind of like and easter egg hunt.
The 15 years prior to Fran arriving? That takes you back to about 1995.
From 1995-2010, I count 5. 4 of those were Davis (1996, 1997, 1999). 1 from Alford (2001).
Uh, 1987-1999, Big Ten had 9 final four teams and 1 champion (IU in 1987). 2011-2024 the big ten had 8 final four teams.
Dr Tom got beat by the eventual champion every year because he was always a 7 or 8 seed and that's who you end up playing in the second round. Fran was not good, but Tom is not that far above him.
No, under Dr. Tom, Iowa was most always a 8 to 9 seed. The number 1 seed was always waiting to devourer the winner of the 8/9 game.
Back in the time of Dr. Tom, all a team had to do, was win 19/20 games and it was almost automatic you were in and playing a bunch of powderpuff non conference teams was Davis's ticket to make the tournament. That doesn't work in today's college era.
Dr. Tom was only on the 8/9 line twice.
1987 - 2
1988 - 5
1989 - 4
1991 - 7
1992 - 9
1993 - 4
1996 - 6
1997 - 8
1999 - 5
Thanks for that breakdown!
I sure remembered more second-round games against the 1- or 2-seed than we really had.
They definitely ran into those teams, but it's worth mentioning that a couple of times it was in the Sweet 16 (AZ in '88 and Uconn in '99).
Duke in '91 and '92, and Kentucky in '97. I still think Iowa got hosed with an 8 seed in '97. They finished tied for 2nd in the Big Ten.. Took UK to the wire. That Iowa team was under seeded IMO.
That surprises me. It felt we had to play Duke in the second round each year and I thought it was from the 8/9 seed.
97 team was under seeded. Unfortunately Iowa lost to most decent teams they played in non conference schedule.
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Sorry @GunnerHawk ...I tried.
You may want to start a fresh thread on this topic, since this one has been hi-jacked.
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