24 year old man needed double lung transplant, wishes he'd been vaccinated
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I don't know if stuff like that works, but I will never forget being in grade school and seeing this guy who'd had a tracheotomy croaking out through his blow hole why smoking is bad for you.
I don't have to show it bonehead. YOU made the claim back it up.
Then read this nice little snippet from Berkeley on viral evolution so you can actually educate yourself.
Hundreds of thousands of dollars pissed away. In the end responsible people like me will pick up the slack that his Go Fund Me page doesn't raise. I'd like to think he'll be for better health care for all, but, instead, his story will be used by some as proof that hospitals are cashing in on Covid.
As mentioned, it sucks that this moron cost a more deserving person of the gift of a transplant. I know why transplants are given priority, but, there should be a moron clause.
JFC, you're a moran. It quite literally says in your own article that the cholera virus has EVOLVED a high level of virulence in humans. How? Because it CAN. By the same measure, a respiratory virus with a long latency period...like COVID...is free to evolve higher virulence because it CAN. Now STFU before you make yourself look even dumber than you already have.
Hey! Here's another. Two anecdotes plus some others starts to equal data!.
20-year-old hospitalized with COVID-19 urges young people to take it seriously
A 20-year-old Manhattan woman hospitalized with COVID-19 hopes her story will hit home with young people who don't take the virus seriously.
www.kshb.com
No; it does not
There is not enough information to draw any conclusions at this point.
Joe, do we know why that is? I mean, it originated in India, and we know what damage it did there (seems most of that is due to terribly low vax rates and subpar health care systems). Is that why? We have to throw that data out? I know it’s spreading rapidly in the UK, but death rates haven’t climbed there and they aren’t really here either. I only ask because I don’t know, nor have I really had the time to research it.
Because the variant hasn't been around long enough to make formal comparisons.
Comparing mortality rates and hospitalization rates on a group fully unvaccinated (past variants) to now (vaccinated/breakthrough cases + unvaccinated) isn't apples-apples.
Most of the data you are seeing pushed out are "overall" numbers, which cannot separate the groups. We do know that 99% or so of hospitalized cases are unvaccinated, but mortality data is not separating this out when comparing to new cases. And we know ~5% of vaccinated may test positive and get mild cases.
Then HE posts an article that states:
Adenoviruses are transmitted through the air or via contact. We might expect this sort of transmission to require a fairly healthy host (one who gets out and comes into contact with others) and, hence, to select against virulent strains. Indeed, adenoviruses are rarely killers, but in close quarters — for example, in the military barracks where Adenovirus-14 has been a particular problem — barriers to transmission may be lowered. This could open the door for the evolution of more virulent strains. (emphasis mine)
His stupidity is mind-bottling.
Progressive Increase in Virulence of Novel SARS-CoV-2 Variants in Ontario, Canada
Background The period from February to June 2021 was one during which initial wild-type SARS-CoV-2 strains were supplanted in Ontario, Canada, first by variants of concern (VOC) with the N501Y mutation (Alpha/B1.1.17, Beta/B.1.351 and Gamma/P.1 variants), and then by the Delta/B.1.617 variant...
Compared to non-VOC SARS-CoV-2 strains, the adjusted elevation in risk associated with N501Y-positive variants was 59% (49-69%) for hospitalization; 105% (82-134%) for ICU admission; and 61% (40-87%) for death. Increases with Delta variant were more pronounced: 120% (93-153%) for hospitalization; 287% (198-399%) for ICU admission; and 137% (50-230%) for death.
Interpretation The progressive increase in transmissibility and virulence of SARS-CoV-2 VOCs will result in a significantly larger, and more deadly, pandemic than would have occurred in the absence of VOC emergence.
Also, note that the UK is NOT seeing an uptick in severity, overall.
BUT, it is NOW 5x more young people being infected than those 50 or 60+.
That directly implies that, IF the Delta variant is impacting new infections with similar severity, the severity we previously saw in "old people" is now "the norm" in the youths and young adults driving most of the infections.
In other words - this variant may be MUCH WORSE for those age groups than earlier strains were.... 👀
Still using modeling to spread fear. Apparently Neil Ferguson has taught us nothing.
JFC you can't ****ing read!! Cholera is a bacteria NOT a virus, first off. Secondly, most virus do NOT become more virulent and in case you missed the BIG ****ING IMAGE in the article which shows something MORE contagious being less virulent you'd understand that's what is happening with covid. God damn you liberals are ****ing boneheads! The virus wants to survive so if it kills it's host, it becomes extinct, so it mutates to less damaging. DID YOU NOT READ THIS? What a ****stick!
It's like Dunning-Kruger is a virus that has evolved and mutated and strengthened and metastasized and a whole host of other shit and has completely overtaken @your_master5. Like it was bad in @shank hawk but @your_master5 has an even worse strain of this shit.
CFRProgressive Increase in Virulence of Novel SARS-CoV-2 Variants in Ontario, Canada
Background The period from February to June 2021 was one during which initial wild-type SARS-CoV-2 strains were supplanted in Ontario, Canada, first by variants of concern (VOC) with the N501Y mutation (Alpha/B1.1.17, Beta/B.1.351 and Gamma/P.1 variants), and then by the Delta/B.1.617 variant...www.medrxiv.org
Compared to non-VOC SARS-CoV-2 strains, the adjusted elevation in risk associated with N501Y-positive variants was 59% (49-69%) for hospitalization; 105% (82-134%) for ICU admission; and 61% (40-87%) for death. Increases with Delta variant were more pronounced: 120% (93-153%) for hospitalization; 287% (198-399%) for ICU admission; and 137% (50-230%) for death.
Interpretation The progressive increase in transmissibility and virulence of SARS-CoV-2 VOCs will result in a significantly larger, and more deadly, pandemic than would have occurred in the absence of VOC emergence.
Cleveland Clinic, Case Western Reserve University Find COVID-19 Variants May Offer Clues in Predicting Patient Outcomes as Virus Evolves
A multidisciplinary team of scientists at Cleveland Clinic and Case Western Reserve University used genomic sequencing to track SARS-CoV-2 as it mutated in Northeast Ohio from March 11 to April 22, 2020. The research findings, published in JAMA Network Open, demonstrated that initial strains and...
newsroom.clevelandclinic.org
"Results revealed that during the initial six weeks of the pandemic in Cleveland, the early virus strains were well established and contributed to higher incidents of death from the disease. However, within weeks these early virus strains were outpaced by more transmissible strains that were associated with lower hospitalizations and increased patient survival even when hospitalized."
Dude you're a mess and as usual provide absolutely nothing to a conversation other than attacks and stupidity.
You do realize that did NOT happen right? Of course you missed it. Keep the fear porn coming!
You have been on the wrong side of EVERY covid argument, dude. You're an absolute disaster because of the lunacy you follow with the MSM. Keep up the good work!
Lol...you are correct. Cholera is a bacteria and that's my bone-headed mistake. The adenovirus, however, is not and your article lays out the kind of scenario where it would become more virulent. Which you, of course, have repeatedly assured us doesn't occur. As your own f'n article explains in detail, a virus that can easily transmit from host to host has no need to limit it's virulence and, in fact, can increase in virulence to produce a higher viral load in it's host leading to more shedding and a higher probability or infecting others. In other words, you have answered your own question.
I do appreciate that you now say "most viruses" so you are learning. BTW, "most viruses" don't kill millions around the world in a year. Yet, here we are. You might want to stop using that idiotic metric.
Ummm...what? How does that negate the premise? You categorically claimed mutated viruses weakened. You asked how a virus could possibly increase in virulence. You posted an article laying out very clearly how it occurs. Whine all you like but that was just funny.
Ohhhhhhhh so I get it. Because I didn't use the word "most" that's where your argument lies! You did realize that article explained the "doomsday" scenario that's NEVER happened right?
This guy doesn't must be totally wrong too!!!
And keep taking that awesome VACCINE!!
It posted a scenario and just as I mentioned, it didn't happen. Please have more reading comprehension.
How many strains of flu are there? Can you tell me? Are you just going to tell me the number of deaths each year and that explains it? Or are you going to provide actual data? What a simpleton argument.
Lots of them
H1N1 has lots of variants, including those that hit us "recently" in the past decade.
Y'know.....the ones you claimed "could not possibly be more virulent", but WERE more virulent.
....changes when a large portion of your most vulnerable population get vaccinated.
LMAO!!!
You got PWNED, and now you simply claim your arguments were right all along.
PWNED, Boi.
Now, find the CFR for the SAME POPULATION DEMOGRAPHIC being infected NOW, vs. for the early variants.
#Doesn'tUnderstandThePointHere
Your chart says Delta CFR is 0.3% (0.2% to 0.5% range) for "28 day followup"
Currently YOUNG adults and CHILDREN make up MOST of the cases.
So, what were CFRs for the early Covid variants in those age groups?
5-17 yrs: 0.011%
18-29 yrs: 0.043%
30-49 yrs: 0.135%
40-49 yrs: 0.365%
0.3% is monstrously HIGH if we're claiming MOST (80%) of the new cases are in YOUNG PEOPLE. Alpha was <0.05% for that demographic.
I don't know if this is true or not. Could be. But if people are more easily infected, the net death toll could still be higher.
And keep in mind that death toll is not the only measure of harm the virus can cause. Economic damage and long term health impairment are other non-trivial harms.
Do you have a link for your claim about the lower fatality rate? I'd like to see some real data.
I found this interesting graph showing R0 for some common diseases:
This is pretty interesting. I missed it earlier.CFR
Cleveland Clinic, Case Western Reserve University Find COVID-19 Variants May Offer Clues in Predicting Patient Outcomes as Virus Evolves
A multidisciplinary team of scientists at Cleveland Clinic and Case Western Reserve University used genomic sequencing to track SARS-CoV-2 as it mutated in Northeast Ohio from March 11 to April 22, 2020. The research findings, published in JAMA Network Open, demonstrated that initial strains and...
"Results revealed that during the initial six weeks of the pandemic in Cleveland, the early virus strains were well established and contributed to higher incidents of death from the disease. However, within weeks these early virus strains were outpaced by more transmissible strains that were associated with lower hospitalizations and increased patient survival even when hospitalized."
I wish I knew how much the vaccines (and improved treatments) are influencing the numbers for the more recent variants.
Strange do you do the same things when anecdotes about people dying from the vaccines? How about all the scientific data around Ivermectin that you called me stupid on? I wonder which pieces of information you believe and ones that you don't? Strange how you support this position on kids yet not the positions on others. Maybe you have a bias? Yep!Hey! Here's another. Two anecdotes plus some others starts to equal data!.
20-year-old hospitalized with COVID-19 urges young people to take it seriously
A 20-year-old Manhattan woman hospitalized with COVID-19 hopes her story will hit home with young people who don't take the virus seriously.
