3 Sports Guys Project Starting Lineup & Whose Roles will be Diminished;theTeam's Ave Height is 6'7"

[Franisdaman]

On the latest KXNO / HawkCentral radio podcast, there was a lot of speculation on who would start.

Mark Emmert, who has been covering the PTL, thinks the following 5 will start:

JoBo
Moss
Nunge
Cook
Garza

Mark said that Nunge and Garza would play well together. He said to keep Baer as the 6th man. He thinks Ellingson is good coming off the bench.


Chad Leistikow's projected Starting 5:
JoBo
Moss
Baer
Cook
Kreiner (he initially had Garza and then changed his mind)



Ross Peterson's Starting 5:
JoBo
Ellingson
Moss
Cook
Nunge or Garza



The discussion on the rest of the roster:

Chad said that Uhl's role will be diminished.

Mark said you have to look at Pemsl, Wagner and Uhl when it comes to whose roles are diminished. The issue with Pemsl is his health; Mark said he really hasn't been healthy over the last 3 years and he played last year with a groin injury most of the year; Pemsl was never 100% healthy last year. Pemsl also had surgery this off season, of course (had a sports hernia repaired in May). Mark said he doesn't know where Wagner and Uhl fit in.

Chad said that Fran told him that Pemsl's recovery has been going well.

The average height of the 13 scholarship players, by the way, is 6'7". Looking ahead, you have Joe Weiskamp at 6'6" (replacing just Uhl) and Patrick McCaffery at 6'9."



The link to the podcast: http://www.hawkcentral.com/story/sp...central-leistikow-emmert-1460-kxno/100400532/

 

[SSG T]

If they end up earning those spots, Emmert's lineup? Dayum. With Pemsl, Uhl, Kreiner down low, Baer/Elingson on the wings...dayum, dayum.

I'm not sure I've ever mentioned it, but I love when guys 6'9+ have wing skills, Iowa will have two (maybe three) this year.

 

[hawk-i bob]

I favor Emmert's but its also July 7th

 

[DanL53]

I favor Emmert's but its also July 7th

Correct. It's fun to speculate but seriously....let's take take the criticism the PTL gets and compare it guesswork in July.

The guesswork is ten times, imo, more fantasy than evaluating a player in the PTL. I guarantee Fran hasn't decided anything completely, yet.

 

[Franisdaman]

Well, there are many threads and many people chiming in on this board discussing (1) how many minutes each player will get; (2) who will be in the 10 man rotation; and (3) who will start.

Yes, it's all speculation, but it does not stop people from chiming in with their opinion.

So, is it any wonder that 3 professional sports guys (a Register columnist, a Register beat writer, and a Des Moines sports radio guy) would throw in their 2 cents as well? This is what they are seeing right now; the only difference between them and those on this board is that their discussion occurred on live radio.

Keep in mind, too, that Emmert is the beat writer AND has been to all the PTL games and has seen Nunge and Garza more than any of us has. Also, Fran at one time last year was starting 4 freshman so its not unreasonable to think that the 2 highly regarded freshman might earn starting nods.

Yet, everything can change when we least expect it. Heck, last year Christian Williams and Dom Uhl started the season as starters and soon lost their jobs.

 

[hawki1968]

It is bad news for Iowa's NCAA chances if two freshmen start.

Fran's track record for starting freshmen over proven players is sparse--Cook, Woodbury, and Mike all basically walked into those starter spots with little competition.

Here is to hoping the Hawks start a veteran group; then allow the freshmen to rip the starter spots away from the vets (A. White, Moss) as the season progresses, if needed.

 

[RefinedBean]

It is bad news for Iowa's NCAA chances if two freshmen start.

Fran's track record for starting freshmen over proven players if sparse--Cook, Woodbury, and Mike all basically walked into those starter spots with little competition.

Here is to hoping the Hawks start a veteran group; then allow the freshmen to rip the starter spots away from the vets (A. White, Moss) as the season progresses, if needed.

Man, I miss White. God damn, he was a beast.

Did Marble start as a frosh?

 

[seer_hawk]

Man, I miss White. God damn, he was a beast.

Did Marble start as a frosh?

The ESPN stats I looked at didn't lists starts, but in minutes played Marble was 8th (19.1). That was Fran's first team and they finished 11-20 (4-14).

 

[Franisdaman]

Man, I miss White. God damn, he was a beast.

Did Marble start as a frosh?

From HawkeyeSports.com:

2010-11 - - Played in all 31 contests, starting six games, including the last five... averaged 5.7 points, 2.4 rebounds, 1.3 assists and 19.1 minutes in 31 contests... averaged 5.0 points, 3.3 rebounds and 1.5 assists, as a starter, in six games... posted double figures five times..

Link: http://www.hawkeyesports.com/roster.aspx?rp_id=232

 

[Ronman]

I would be more than shocked if both Garza and Nunge are starters when the season begins. One, yes. Both, no.

 

[Franisdaman]

It is bad news for Iowa's NCAA chances if two freshmen start.

Fran's track record for starting freshmen over proven players if sparse--Cook, Woodbury, and Mike all basically walked into those starter spots with little competition.

Here is to hoping the Hawks start a veteran group; then allow the freshmen to rip the starter spots away from the vets (A. White, Moss) as the season progresses, if needed.

Last year, at one point, we were starting 4 freshmen and we almost made the Big Dance, so who knows?

Note that your veterans (Jrs/Srs) are:
Baer
Wagner
Uhl
Ellingson
Williams

The rest of the roster is composed of 6 sophomores and 2 freshman, so it's not exactly easy to start a "veteran group.".

From what I have heard, it seems very possible Nunge and Garza will overtake Wagner and Uhl in the rotation, and even win starting spots.

Time and evaluations by Fran will tell.

 

[vgshwk]

Last year, at one point, we were starting 4 freshmen and we almost made the Big Dance, so who knows?

Note that your veterans (Jrs/Srs) are:
Baer
Wagner
Uhl
Ellingson
Williams

The rest of the roster is composed of 6 sophomores and 2 freshman, so it's not exactly easy to start a "veteran group.".

From what I have heard, it seems very possible Nunge and Garza will overtake Wagner and Uhl in the rotation, and even win starting spots.

Time and evaluations by Fran will tell.

With Fran it won't come down to actual roles where as garza appears to be an actual center I believe kreiner could play forward or center.

 

[hawki1968]

Last year, at one point, we were starting 4 freshmen and we almost made the Big Dance, so who knows?

Note that your veterans (Jrs/Srs) are:
Baer
Wagner
Uhl
Ellingson
Williams

The rest of the roster is composed of 6 sophomores and 2 freshman, so it's not exactly easy to start a "veteran group.".

From what I have heard, it seems very possible Nunge and Garza will overtake Wagner and Uhl in the rotation, and even win starting spots.

Time and evaluations by Fran will tell.

True enough. But to be fair, you would have to agree the beginning of the season was a nightmare; it was only when those fresh grew up a bit that they became pretty darn competitive.

I have little doubt that Garza and Nunge can start, I just hope it is not game 1 of the season, really.

We are probably just splitting hairs a bit here.

 

[ParkerHawk]

True enough. But to be fair, you would have to agree the beginning of the season was a nightmare; it was only when those fresh grew up a bit that they became pretty darn competitive.

I have little doubt that Garza and Nunge can start, I just hope it is not game 1 of the season, really.

We are probably just splitting hairs a bit here.

This. Lestikow's lineup to start the season, Emmert's by the start of conference play

 

[kceasthawk]

I favor Emmert's but its also July 7th

It will be interesting to see how the battle between Kreiner and Garza unfolds. Lots of fun speculation. Can't wait for Football and basketball season this year.

 

[icwesthawk]

Peterson's is the most interesting to me. Moss at the 3 has a lot of potential and Ellingson starting gives us more of a defensive presence while still having a really good shooter on the floor. I like Baer at 6th man, can come in at 3 different positions in relief. Garza over Nunge but not sure about that.

 

[kceasthawk]

Man, I miss White. God damn, he was a beast.

Did Marble start as a frosh?

I really enjoyed White's career at Iowa, but think Nunge is a better all around player then Aaron was. Probably a better shooter, better ball handler, and better all around offensive game then White had even as a senior. White was probably one of the best I've seen at sneaking in the back door for those alley oop dunks, and was a great guy at cleaning up the garbage. He was pretty limited in the post however, and wasn't a great defender, at least early on. No disrespect to a great Hawk, who ended up number three I think, all time in Iowa in scoring, but Nunge has a much more polished game. If he has the chance to start for three plus years, and stays healthy, I'd bet he'll be very high on that list as well.

 

[nu2u]

A persuasive argument can be made that Luka Garza is the most complete and B10-ready freshman post player under McCaffery, and even perhaps going back several decades. IMHO, his size, strength, and shooting range compare most favorably to previous Iowa centers IMHO.

Garza does have weaknesses (what young big men don't?) but he appears to possess the positive characteristics or "intangibles" such as BBIQ, toughness/ tenacity which should help offset their impact.

Its important to remember that all freshman experience a learning curve at this level and Garza (as well as Nunge) will face this adversity also. One factor helping Garza in this regard is his experience - the quality of competition which he has faced in D.C. and the extensive tournament play the past several years.

I don't expect him to start right away but I don't see how he gets less than around 20 minutes per game in any event. The biggest obstacle to extended playing time will be foul trouble, the bane of all young post players.

 

[kceasthawk]

A persuasive argument can be made that Luka Garza is the most complete and B10-ready freshman post player under McCaffery, and even perhaps going back several decades. IMHO, his size, strength, and shooting range compare most favorably to previous Iowa centers IMHO.

Garza does have weaknesses (what young big men don't?) but he appears to possess the positive characteristics or "intangibles" such as BBIQ, toughness/ tenacity which should help offset their impact.

Its important to remember that all freshman experience a learning curve at this level and Garza (as well as Nunge) will face this adversity also. One factor helping Garza in this regard is his experience - the quality of competition which he has faced in D.C. and the extensive tournament play the past several years.

I don't expect him to start right away but I don't see how he gets less than around 20 minutes per game in any event. The biggest obstacle to extended playing time will be foul trouble, the bane of all young post players.

Hep, at this point Garza appears to have many of Woody's best qualities,(sheer size, competitive spirit, and basketball IQ), along with a much more polished offensive game, and more length then Adam had.

 

[unIowa]

I would be more than shocked if both Garza and Nunge are starters when the season begins. One, yes. Both, no.

This. Very possible one of them starts and if they do it will be at the 5 IMO. I honestly can't see Nunge at the 3, I wouldn't mind Wagner starting at the 3 w Baer coming off the bench for him. Why Wagner, defense baby and plus the other 4 (JoBo, Moss, Cook, Kreiner/Nunge/Garza) can score. Moss and Wagner starting helps guard the two most athletic players on the other team 2,3.

 

[unIowa]

Peterson's is the most interesting to me. Moss at the 3 has a lot of potential and Ellingson starting gives us more of a defensive presence while still having a really good shooter on the floor. I like Baer at 6th man, can come in at 3 different positions in relief. Garza over Nunge but not sure about that.

Peterson's starting lineup made me laugh and if you are looking for defense you put Wagner at the 3 and give up that offense in the starting lineup that has loads of scoring potential.

 

[hawk-i bob]

what impressed me about Nunge is his handles for 6'11"...pretty decent. In that Fran has told him he doesnt want him to gain much weight tells me he plays 3...along with Nicholas.

that also frees up PT for Cook, Pemsl, Wagner, Kreiner, Garza...at 4/5.
and I hope Dom proves alot of us wrong.

 

[unIowa]

what impressed me about Nunge is his handles for 6'11"...pretty decent. In that Fran has told him he doesnt want him to gain much weight tells me he plays 3...along with Nicholas.

that also frees up PT for Cook, Pemsl, Wagner, Kreiner, Garza...at 4/5.
and I hope Dom proves alot of us wrong.

If CW doesn't up his game or continues to have back issues I could see using Dom as a point forward ala Scottie Pippen.

 

[hawk-i bob]

This. Very possible one of them starts and if they do it will be at the 5 IMO. I honestly can't see Nunge at the 3, I wouldn't mind Wagner starting at the 3 w Baer coming off the bench for him. Why Wagner, defense baby and plus the other 4 (JoBo, Moss, Cook, Kreiner/Nunge/Garza) can score. Moss and Wagner starting helps guard the two most athletic players on the other team 2,3.

the one thing that Wagner does give Fran is a strong physical defender...he can be very important in certain match ups.

 

[unIowa]

This. Very possible one of them starts and if they do it will be at the 5 IMO. I honestly can't see Nunge at the 3, I wouldn't mind Wagner starting at the 3 w Baer coming off the bench for him. Why Wagner, defense baby and plus the other 4 (JoBo, Moss, Cook, Kreiner/Nunge/Garza) can score. Moss and Wagner starting helps guard the two most athletic players on the other team 2,3.

the one thing that Wagner does give Fran is a strong physical defender...he can be very important in certain match ups.

Wagner was put into the starting lineup last year to improve the defense and it helped IMO when Fran made that move. I hope he stays with that thought, scoring won't be an issue w this squad but they need to defend much better.

 

[hawk-i bob]

headed out to play 18 ... good talking with u guys.

 

[RocknRollface]

Peterson's starting lineup made me laugh and if you are looking for defense you put Wagner at the 3 and give up that offense in the starting lineup that has loads of scoring potential.

For a radio guy Peterson is usually not real informed on the team he is suposed to be a follower of.

Hes seemingly a casual fan of most sports other than baseball.

 

[Franisdaman]

True enough. But to be fair, you would have to agree the beginning of the season was a nightmare; it was only when those fresh grew up a bit that they became pretty darn competitive.

I have little doubt that Garza and Nunge can start, I just hope it is not game 1 of the season, really.

We are probably just splitting hairs a bit here.

Yeah, its all a guess right now, but what is great is that 2 freshman have come in and are impressing everyone and are going to be competing for major minutes, it appears. Kreiner, Wagner, and everybody else are having to up their game as a result. Competition is a great thing. Having a lot of great talent coming in is a great thing. And next year we lose Uhl and gain Weiskamp. The roster just keeps improving.

 

[Franisdaman]

I really enjoyed White's career at Iowa, but think Nunge is a better all around player then Aaron was. Probably a better shooter, better ball handler, and better all around offensive game then White had even as a senior. White was probably one of the best I've seen at sneaking in the back door for those alley oop dunks, and was a great guy at cleaning up the garbage. He was pretty limited in the post however, and wasn't a great defender, at least early on. No disrespect to a great Hawk, who ended up number three I think, all time in Iowa in scoring, but Nunge has a much more polished game. If he has the chance to start for three plus years, and stays healthy, I'd bet he'll be very high on that list as well.

Actually, Aaron White is #2 on the all time scoring list:

Here is the current Iowa career scoring list (updated after completion of 2016-2017 season):

1 Roy Marble...2,116 (4 yrs: 1986-1989, 134 GP, .539 FG%,, 15.8 ppg; 26 three pt goals)


2 Aaron White...1,859 (4 yrs: 2012-2015, 140 GP, .517 FG%,, 13.3 ppg; 61 three pt goals)


3 Acie Earl...1,779 (4 yrs: 1990-1993, 116 GP, .508 FG%,, 15.3 ppg; 2 three pt goals)


4 Greg Stokes...1,768 (4 yrs: 1982-1985, 120 GP, .545 FG%,, 14.7 ppg)


5 BJ Armstrong...1,705 (4 yrs: 1986-1989, 130 GP, .492 FG%,, 13.1 ppg; 136 three pt goals)


6 Roy Devyn Marble...1,694 (4 yrs: 2011-2014; 136 GP, .415 FG%,, 12.5 ppg; 134 three pt goals)


7 Ronnie Lester...1,675(4 yrs: 1977-1980, 99 GP, .471 FG%,, 16.9 ppg)


8 Matt Gatens...1,635 (4 yrs: 2009-2012; 128 GP, .415 FG%,, 12.8 ppg; 239 three pt goals)


9 Jess Settles...1,611 (5 yrs: 1994-1997, 1999, 116 GP, .490 FG%,, 13.9 ppg; 113 three pt goals)


10 Adam Haluska...1,578 (3 yrs: 2005-2007; 98 GP, .430 FG%,, 16.1 ppg; 212 three pt goals); NOTE: 284 pts @ ISU = 1,862 in four years


11 Dean Oliver...1,561 (4 yrs: 1998-2001, 126 GP, .384 FG%,, 12.4 ppg; 161 three pt goals)


12 Andre Woolridge...1,525 (3 yrs: 1995-1997, 97 GP, .467 FG%,, 15.7 ppg; 104 three pt goals)


13 Don Nelson...1,522 (3 yrs: 1960-1962, 72 GP, .507 FG%,, 21.2 ppg)


14 Greg Brunner...1,516 (4 yrs: 2003-2006, 127 GP, .503 FG%,, 11.9 ppg; 42 three pt goals)


15 Peter Jok...1,508 (4 yrs: 2014-2017, 125 GP, .413 FG%, 12.1 ppg, 216 three pt goals)


16 Jeff Horner...1,502 (4 yrs: 2003-2006, 123 GP, .391 FG%,, 12.2 ppg; 262 three pt goals)


17 Ed Horton...1,372 (4 yrs: 1986-1989, 131 GP, .516 FG%,, 10.5 ppg; 1 three pt goals)


18 Bruce King...1,361 (3 yrs: 1975-1977, 80 GP, .479 FG%,, 17 ppg)


19 James Moses...1,343 (4 yrs: 1989-1992, 123 GP, .398 FG%,, 10.9 ppg; 109 three pt goals)


20 Jarrod Uthoff...1,298 (3 yrs: 2014-2016, 100 GP, .450 FG%, 13.0 ppg; 137 three pt goals)


21 Jeff Moe...1,248 (4 yrs: 1985-1988, 131 GP, .480 FG%,, 9.5 ppg; 131 three pt goals)


22 Kenyon Murray...1,230 (4 yrs: 1993-1996, 124 GP, .462 FG%, 9.9 ppg; 49 three pt goals)



NOTABLES:


Sam Williams...1,176 (2 yrs: 1967-1968, 49 GP, .466 FG%,, 24 ppg)

John Johnson...1,172 (2 yrs: 1969-1970, 49 GP, .543 FG%,, 23.9 ppg)

Fred Brown...1,091 (2 yrs: 1970-1971, 48 GP, .501 FG%,, 22.7 ppg)

Reggie Evans...1,054 (2 yrs: 2001-2002, 69 GP, .486 FG%,, 15.3 ppg; 1 three point goal)


Keep in mind that the 3 point shot was officially introduced to all of college basketball for the 1986-87 season. As you see above, that benefited Matt Gatens with 239 extra career points from his 239 three point shot makes. Imagine if the three point shot had existed for "Downtown Freddie Brown." It is interesting, too, that Horner made 262 three point shots; only his overall .391 FG % prevented him from further climbing up the career scoring list.


Whats interesting, too, is that Don Nelson and Ronnie Lester had great scoring averages; however, because of fewer games played at Iowa, it prevented them from being higher up the all time list.


21.2 ppg, 72 GP, Don Nelson,

16.9 ppg, 99 GP, Ronnie Lester


Sources: http://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/

 

[Franisdaman]

Hep, at this point Garza appears to have many of Woody's best qualities,(sheer size, competitive spirit, and basketball IQ), along with a much more polished offensive game, and more length then Adam had.

yep. the roster just seems to keep improving and remember when we were a top 10 ranked team in the nation not that long ago?

 

[DanL53]

Actually, Aaron White is #2 on the all time scoring list:

Here is the current Iowa career scoring list (updated after completion of 2016-2017 season):

1 Roy Marble...2,116 (4 yrs: 1986-1989, 134 GP, .539 FG%,, 15.8 ppg; 26 three pt goals)


2 Aaron White...1,859 (4 yrs: 2012-2015, 140 GP, .517 FG%,, 13.3 ppg; 61 three pt goals)


3 Acie Earl...1,779 (4 yrs: 1990-1993, 116 GP, .508 FG%,, 15.3 ppg; 2 three pt goals)


4 Greg Stokes...1,768 (4 yrs: 1982-1985, 120 GP, .545 FG%,, 14.7 ppg)


5 BJ Armstrong...1,705 (4 yrs: 1986-1989, 130 GP, .492 FG%,, 13.1 ppg; 136 three pt goals)


6 Roy Devyn Marble...1,694 (4 yrs: 2011-2014; 136 GP, .415 FG%,, 12.5 ppg; 134 three pt goals)


7 Ronnie Lester...1,675(4 yrs: 1977-1980, 99 GP, .471 FG%,, 16.9 ppg)


8 Matt Gatens...1,635 (4 yrs: 2009-2012; 128 GP, .415 FG%,, 12.8 ppg; 239 three pt goals)


9 Jess Settles...1,611 (5 yrs: 1994-1997, 1999, 116 GP, .490 FG%,, 13.9 ppg; 113 three pt goals)


10 Adam Haluska...1,578 (3 yrs: 2005-2007; 98 GP, .430 FG%,, 16.1 ppg; 212 three pt goals); NOTE: 284 pts @ ISU = 1,862 in four years


11 Dean Oliver...1,561 (4 yrs: 1998-2001, 126 GP, .384 FG%,, 12.4 ppg; 161 three pt goals)


12 Andre Woolridge...1,525 (3 yrs: 1995-1997, 97 GP, .467 FG%,, 15.7 ppg; 104 three pt goals)


13 Don Nelson...1,522 (3 yrs: 1960-1962, 72 GP, .507 FG%,, 21.2 ppg)


14 Greg Brunner...1,516 (4 yrs: 2003-2006, 127 GP, .503 FG%,, 11.9 ppg; 42 three pt goals)


15 Peter Jok...1,508 (4 yrs: 2014-2017, 125 GP, .413 FG%, 12.1 ppg, 216 three pt goals)


16 Jeff Horner...1,502 (4 yrs: 2003-2006, 123 GP, .391 FG%,, 12.2 ppg; 262 three pt goals)


17 Ed Horton...1,372 (4 yrs: 1986-1989, 131 GP, .516 FG%,, 10.5 ppg; 1 three pt goals)


18 Bruce King...1,361 (3 yrs: 1975-1977, 80 GP, .479 FG%,, 17 ppg)


19 James Moses...1,343 (4 yrs: 1989-1992, 123 GP, .398 FG%,, 10.9 ppg; 109 three pt goals)


20 Jarrod Uthoff...1,298 (3 yrs: 2014-2016, 100 GP, .450 FG%, 13.0 ppg; 137 three pt goals)


21 Jeff Moe...1,248 (4 yrs: 1985-1988, 131 GP, .480 FG%,, 9.5 ppg; 131 three pt goals)


22 Kenyon Murray...1,230 (4 yrs: 1993-1996, 124 GP, .462 FG%, 9.9 ppg; 49 three pt goals)



NOTABLES:


Sam Williams...1,176 (2 yrs: 1967-1968, 49 GP, .466 FG%,, 24 ppg)

John Johnson...1,172 (2 yrs: 1969-1970, 49 GP, .543 FG%,, 23.9 ppg)

Fred Brown...1,091 (2 yrs: 1970-1971, 48 GP, .501 FG%,, 22.7 ppg)

Reggie Evans...1,054 (2 yrs: 2001-2002, 69 GP, .486 FG%,, 15.3 ppg; 1 three point goal)


Keep in mind that the 3 point shot was officially introduced to all of college basketball for the 1986-87 season. As you see above, that benefited Matt Gatens with 239 extra career points from his 239 three point shot makes. Imagine if the three point shot had existed for "Downtown Freddie Brown." It is interesting, too, that Horner made 262 three point shots; only his overall .391 FG % prevented him from further climbing up the career scoring list.


Whats interesting, too, is that Don Nelson and Ronnie Lester had great scoring averages; however, because of fewer games played at Iowa, it prevented them from being higher up the all time list.


21.2 ppg, 72 GP, Don Nelson,

16.9 ppg, 99 GP, Ronnie Lester


Sources: http://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/

And of course for many years freshmen were ineligible. It all makes the total points category hard to interpret.

 

[Franisdaman]

what impressed me about Nunge is his handles for 6'11"...pretty decent. In that Fran has told him he doesnt want him to gain much weight tells me he plays 3...along with Nicholas.

that also frees up PT for Cook, Pemsl, Wagner, Kreiner, Garza...at 4/5.
and I hope Dom proves alot of us wrong.

so many interchangeable parts, especially based on matchups. based on who we are playing might determine a lot.

 

[Franisdaman]

the one thing that Wagner does give Fran is a strong physical defender...he can be very important in certain match ups.

esp vs teams like Mich State

and remember the drive to the basket at Wisconsin? that was huge.

it will be interesting to see how Wagner's offensive game has progressed

 

[Franisdaman]

For a radio guy Peterson is usually not real informed on the team he is suposed to be a follower of.

Hes seemingly a casual fan of most sports other than baseball.

Ross seems to be just as or more informed than any of us, imo

 

[HawkTex]

Man, I miss White. God damn, he was a beast.

Did Marble start as a frosh?

White a Beast? You can't be serious.

 

[championhawk]

It is bad news for Iowa's NCAA chances if two freshmen start.

Fran's track record for starting freshmen over proven players is sparse--Cook, Woodbury, and Mike all basically walked into those starter spots with little competition.

Here is to hoping the Hawks start a veteran group; then allow the freshmen to rip the starter spots away from the vets (A. White, Moss) as the season progresses, if needed.

I couldn't disagree more. Last year would have been worse had the freshman not started. Starting 2 freshman this year would mean our talent level took a nice leap. I don't see any downside to Garza and Nunge being good enough to earn starting spots from Day 1.

 

[RocknRollface]

Ross seems to be just as or more informed than any of us, imo

I dont think so at all.

To me he comes off less than interested in basketball in general.

Hes not a die hard hawkeye the way Williams is a die-hard clone.

Theres people on here that could name starting lineups from 20 years ago. Ross doesn't usually seem to be able to rember things about the Hawks from just a few years back in either sport.

 

[Franisdaman]

I couldn't disagree more. Last year would have been worse had the freshman not started. Starting 2 freshman this year would mean our talent level took a nice leap. I don't see any downside to Garza and Nunge being good enough to earn starting spots from Day 1.

good points. think of all the games JoBo won for us, for example. Look at what he did on the road at Maryland and Wisconsin. Imagine if Uhl would have been a starter all year (he proved to be more valuable in spot minutes, of course). Fran put the best starting 5 on the floor and it included a lot of freshmen last year.

Fran will start the best 5 this year as well; and right now, its interesting to see that the beat writer for the Des Moines Register includes both Nunge and Garza in that starting 5.

Lots can happen between now and the trip to Europe and over the next 3 plus months.

 

[Franisdaman]

I dont think so at all.

To me he comes off less than interested in basketball in general.

Hes not a die hard hawkeye the way Williams is a die-hard clone.

Theres people on here that could name starting lineups from 20 years ago. Ross doesn't usually seem to be able to rember things about the Hawks from just a few years back in either sport.

I don't know him much at all; i just listen to the podcasts from a far. he seems to be a big time fan, just like us. that's just my opinion. and I am not going to brag about having a good memory because i have to google things all the time; do you remember the first year Fran had Iowa in the top 10 in the country? it would take me a second to figure it out but I would say it was 2014, but i would have to verify it

 

[RocknRollface]

I don't know him much at all; i just listen to the podcasts from a far. he seems to be a big time fan, just like us. that's just my opinion. and I am not going to brag about having a good memory because i have to google things all the time; do you remember the first year Fran had Iowa in the top 10 in the country? it would take me a second to figure it out but I would say it was 2014, but i would have to verify it

Just my opinion from listening to him allot. Hes not nearly as informed or as die hard as Williams is for the clones.