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A big part of the problem is this: Our 2013, 2014 & 2015 classes

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These three years’ recruting classes at the QB position are atrocious.

Nic Shimonek (we all know how this turned out), Tyler Wiegers, Ryan Boyle & Drew Cook. That’s it. Three years worth of QB prospects.

Want to know who we beat out for those recruits?

Central Michigan (twice), Montana State, Lamar, Bowling Green, Toledo, Illinois State and Rutgers. Thank God for Rutgers or I wouldn’t see another Power 5 school on that list.

Is that good enough to get it done here?? Is it all that much to ask to develop a few relationships with some more sought after guys (I know recruiting isn’t an exact science, but it’s a damn good indicator) and possibly convince a couple quarterbacks, against better competition, to sign with the Hawkeyes?

Maybe beat out a school for a signature that has a better football pedigree than, say, Lamar?

When you miss that badly, for that many years in a row, it’s more of a lack of effort and poor recruiting, than it is bad luck.

This is what happens when we do it the Ferentz way and end up starting a guy with next to zero experience (like KF didn’t know he was gonna be the guy in ‘17 - hey maybe get him some reps last year!?!!).

As I watch us continually try to run the ball against 8 and 9 men in the box, I think to myself how much it would help out our All-Conference caliber RB if we could connect on a pass to any of the deep thirds of the field.

The blueprint is out there now. We struggle mightily with this, and as a result it’s getting increasingly tougher to loosen up the defense. Wadley can’t do it all by himself, and those of you cutting down this offensive line need to remember that most teams now don’t respect us to take the lid off, and we’ll continue to see fewer two safety looks and more one on one matchups as teams continue to shut down our run game. This is a huge problem.

We missed horribly for three years in a row, and we are now paying for it with a guy who should be learning as a Redshirt Freshman having to lead this team. His lack of experience shows with his decision making and pocket awareness; and he was never super accurate to begin with. He has a rocket arm and measureables, but needs more time to groom those other attributes. Asking a guy with his lack of experience to lead this team means we’re gonna pay for it when opposing DCs start to exploit this weakness, and dare us to go deep, because so far we’ve shown this to be a very low percentage play.

An experienced game manager would do wonders to loosen up the defense and let Wadley go work, instead of continually running into an 8/9 man front.

But it is what it is now. The result is a another season between 6 and 8 wins, most likely. The most expensive 6 to 8 wins in the country, thanks to Barta.
 
Chuck Longs best offer was NIU and look at how he turned out. Shimonic is the starter for TT and as a SENIOR has these for stats.
121-171 1579 yards 70.8 % completion rate 12 TD's, 2 INT's with a QB rating of 169.1

Stanley as a SOPHAMORE. 80-136 58.8% 12 TD's 1 INT with a QB rating of 150.6 this while having these to throw too, with 1038 yards thru 5 games.
SO 1ST YEAR starter TE Fant
RSFR 1ST YEAR starter TE Hochenson
FR WR Smith-Marsette
JR JUCO TRANSFER WR Easley
FR WR Brandon Smith
FR RB FR Kelly-Martin

even FR Epenesa caught a PASS, the future looks very bright, as Stanley will be here another 2 years. tp compare to anorther 1st year starter in SO Stanzi in the 2008 season
150-254 1956 yards 14 TD's 9 UNT's with a 134.8 rating and I seem to recall Stanzi was the QB most everybody wanted as their starter, Stanley is on pace to have a better season than Stanzi did, Stanzi started the 08 season 0-2 then finished 5-1 and a overall record of 9-4 with a win over South Carolina in the bowl game and a #20 final AP Ranking,

gee Iowa has 7 more league games coming up
 
Frankly at this point I will be happy with wins over Minnesota and Nebraska and a bowl win. Any bowl win. We are very likely to be in the Holiday Bowl if we have 7-9 wins. We would play a PAC 12 team so all of that is still a tall order. The bowl issues have really hurt the optics of the program.
 
I think Stanley how shown enough that he can be a good QB. He made some mistakes on Saturday but he's still young. I have bigger concerns about our run game, playclsling that doesn't put our guys in a position to succeed and just overall horrible game day coaching.
 
The qb isn't the problem. The problem is our O line cannot block for shit and we have one receiver and one TE worth a shit. Stanley has proven he can make the throws, there's just nobody to throw to.
 
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The qb isn't the problem. The problem is our O line cannot block for shit and we have one receiver and one TE worth a shit. Stanley has proven he can make the throws, there's just nobody to throw to.
the OL has been reshuffled 3 times this season, 4 of the preseason starters now back, with 3 of them NOW playing in new positions;
Welsh has been moved from RG to RT
Render has been moved from LG to RB
Myer has been moved from LT to LG
RSFR is now the starting LT.

SORRY but this has handicapped the OL in performing at a high level. I am also sorry that Iowa is not racking 600+ total yards of Offense and is not avgi'ing over 50 ppg andis not 5-0 and ranked in the top 4
 
The qb isn't the problem. The problem is our O line cannot block for shit and we have one receiver and one TE worth a shit. Stanley has proven he can make the throws, there's just nobody to throw to.

which one receiver are you referring to as "worth a shit"?
 
The qb isn't the problem. The problem is our O line cannot block for shit and we have one receiver and one TE worth a shit. Stanley has proven he can make the throws, there's just nobody to throw to.
I disagree Easley is looking pretty good 2nd on the team in yards but leads the team in receptions with 20 and 3 TD's. TE Hochenson is avg'ing 14.5 ypc on 8 catches Smith-Marsette is avg'ing 14.9 ypc on 7 catches with 2 TD's. 12 different players have caught passes thru 5 games,

do me a favor and take the haters glasses off already.
 
The qb isn't the problem. The problem is our O line cannot block for shit and we have one receiver and one TE worth a shit. Stanley has proven he can make the throws, there's just nobody to throw to.
LOL....He's missed wide open receivers down the field over and over. 'there's just nobody to throw to'? Oh, I get it now. On the deep throws he overthrows time and time again he's 'making the throws', but the receivers are in the wrong place? The receivers and TE's should be outrunning the secondary by 15 yds. instead of 5? There are a lot of funny, funny people on this site. They must have named you.
 
I see a lot of promising signs for the future from our skill positions. The majority of these guys will be together for the next 2+years. To this point everyone has not quite gotten in sync yet but there are good signs out there, hopefully we will see them bring it all together this season.
 
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I think Stanley how shown enough that he can be a good QB. He made some mistakes on Saturday but he's still young. I have bigger concerns about our run game, playclsling that doesn't put our guys in a position to succeed and just overall horrible game day coaching.
So it's the coaches fault that Stanley literally just dropped the ball when we had momentum and were going in for a score? Damn them!
 
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This team is 3-2 with a 2 point loss to the #4 team in the country and a 7 point loss on the road to a Michigan State team that has had some of the best recruiting classes in the Big 10 in the last 5 years and has finished in the top 10 in the country in 3 of the past 4 years.

In other words, the sky is falling and everyone should be fired.
 
So it's the coaches fault that Stanley literally just dropped the ball when we had momentum and were going in for a score? Damn them!

Of course not. Clearly he made a mistake. You missed the entire point. He's starting his 5th game and was under duress, he's gonna make some mistakes. But then again, you're not here to have a reasonable discussion.
 
So I guess I'm missing the whole idea of this thread. The coaches recruited poorly during this time frame? What are we attributing that too? We don't have options but one guy was a 4star? I r confused.
 
the OL has been reshuffled 3 times this season, 4 of the preseason starters now back, with 3 of them NOW playing in new positions;
Welsh has been moved from RG to RT
Render has been moved from LG to RB
Myer has been moved from LT to LG
RSFR is now the starting LT.

SORRY but this has handicapped the OL in performing at a high level. I am also sorry that Iowa is not racking 600+ total yards of Offense and is not avgi'ing over 50 ppg andis not 5-0 and ranked in the top 4


Boettgers is out-- losing one guy shouldn't make your OL fall apart. All the position movement you speak of is because this staff doesn't recruit enough tackles, so they move a guard to RT. Alaric Jackson beat out beat out Myers and has been starter all season at LT. Render, Welsh, Daniels from interior all return from last year. Last year's OL could run block, but not pass block. This one can't run block, but is better than last years at pass blocking. Problem is you want an OL that can do both well.
 
Boettgers is out-- losing one guy shouldn't make your OL fall apart. All the position movement you speak of is because this staff doesn't recruit enough tackles, so they move a guard to RT. Alaric Jackson beat out beat out Myers and has been starter all season at LT. Render, Welsh, Daniels from interior all return from last year. Last year's OL could run block, but not pass block. This one can't run block, but is better than last years at pass blocking. Problem is you want an OL that can do both well.
Myer got hurt and Jackson was moved into take his spot, as for not recruiting Tackles these were listed as Tackles out of HS
Levi and Landon Paulsen and now they are guards @ 6'5
in the 17 class Wirff at 6'5 was listed as a Tackle. Scherff was a tackle @6'5.
Kahlenberg is listed at 6'6, is listed as a Tackle,
this where having a Lack of tackles is a myth
 
The poster above me seems to have all the stats and rankings. Could you be so kind as to help.me understand what happened during the time frame listed that lead to our lack of production in recruiting?
 
The poster above me seems to have all the stats and rankings. Could you be so kind as to help.me understand what happened during the time frame listed that lead to our lack of production in recruiting?
coaching changes provided no real guidance. there was a article about GD and BF complained about certain Coaches just punching the Time Clock when it came to recruiting. this is caused part of the problem not putting the effort in to go a step further in recruiting,

recruiting has evolved into a 25 hours a day and 8 days a week recruiting endeavor, the new coaches are young and are willing and eager to go the extra distance, the last 2 classes have showed the improved recruiting as 8 FR played in the 2016 season and 9-10 FR have played in the 2017 season. even the 2018 is looking good despite the star rankings.
 
The coaching change happened AFTER these classes were here. If you wanted to say the previous coaches were lazy, I will buy that, but to say these classes were impacted due to the changes is factually incorrect. As a follow up to this if the staff was allowed to be lazy under the current regime wouldn't that suggest future regimes have an area for improvement over the current staff?
 
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The coaching change happened AFTER these classes were here. If you wanted to say the previous coaches were lazy, I will buy that, but to say these classes were impacted due to the changes is factually incorrect. As a follow up to this if the staff was allowed to be lazy under the current regime wouldn't that suggest future regimes have an area for improvement over the current staff?
these were during the coaching changes as they started in March of 2012 and just ended in Feb of 2017, just for you
March of 2012 after the 2012 class had signed their LOI
OC/QB Coach Davis replace OC/QB Coach KOK left to be a coach on the Miami Dolphins.
DL Coach Kaz was let go and OL Coach Morgan moved to the DL
OL Coach BF was hired from the NE Patriots where he was the TE Coach
Phil Parker was promoted to DC
LaVarr Woods was upgraded to a full time coach from a GA and took over coaching the LB'rs
2013 after the 2013 #53 class was signed
WR Coach Kennedy was hired to replace Soup
RB Coach White was hired from the Minnesota Viking to replace RB Coach Erb
Reed was hired to be the MLB Coach
2014 after the #59 class was signed
RC Wallace was hired as the then RC left to run a Culvers in Florida
Woods was moved to coach TE's
white who had been moved to coach DB's left and Phil took over as the DC/DB coach
2015 after the 15 #59 class had signed
LB Coach Reed left tp be the DC for BC
Wallace was moved to coach the LB'rs
Bell was hired as the RC
2017
Copeland was hired as the new WR Coach
Polasek was hired as the new OL Coach
KOK came back to be the QB Coach
BF was promoted to OC/RB coach
both White and Kennedy were let go
Bell was also named as the Assistant DL Coaching position

in January of 2018 schools will be allowed to hire that 10 assistant coach.

so no those classes were not already here. as they were put together during those changes, the 2016 class was rated #42 and the 2017 class was rated # 40, these 2 clases were the result of the new staff working together.

the 2018 class is going to be a small one so in this case I look at the star ranking where 0*, get zero 1* 1, 2* gets 2, 3* gets 3, 4* gets 4 and 5* GETS 5
add them all up then divide by the number of commits, this year Iowa sits with a 3.0 rating, compared to past years where the ratings avg'd 2.56 to 2.79, having a 3.0 is a very good class
 
these were during the coaching changes as they started in March of 2012 and just ended in Feb of 2017, just for you
March of 2012 after the 2012 class had signed their LOI
OC/QB Coach Davis replace OC/QB Coach KOK left to be a coach on the Miami Dolphins.
DL Coach Kaz was let go and OL Coach Morgan moved to the DL
OL Coach BF was hired from the NE Patriots where he was the TE Coach
Phil Parker was promoted to DC
LaVarr Woods was upgraded to a full time coach from a GA and took over coaching the LB'rs
2013 after the 2013 #53 class was signed
WR Coach Kennedy was hired to replace Soup
RB Coach White was hired from the Minnesota Viking to replace RB Coach Erb
Reed was hired to be the MLB Coach
2014 after the #59 class was signed
RC Wallace was hired as the then RC left to run a Culvers in Florida
Woods was moved to coach TE's
white who had been moved to coach DB's left and Phil took over as the DC/DB coach
2015 after the 15 #59 class had signed
LB Coach Reed left tp be the DC for BC
Wallace was moved to coach the LB'rs
Bell was hired as the RC
2017
Copeland was hired as the new WR Coach
Polasek was hired as the new OL Coach
KOK came back to be the QB Coach
BF was promoted to OC/RB coach
both White and Kennedy were let go
Bell was also named as the Assistant DL Coaching position

in January of 2018 schools will be allowed to hire that 10 assistant coach.

so no those classes were not already here. as they were put together during those changes, the 2016 class was rated #42 and the 2017 class was rated # 40, these 2 clases were the result of the new staff working together.

the 2018 class is going to be a small one so in this case I look at the star ranking where 0*, get zero 1* 1, 2* gets 2, 3* gets 3, 4* gets 4 and 5* GETS 5
add them all up then divide by the number of commits, this year Iowa sits with a 3.0 rating, compared to past years where the ratings avg'd 2.56 to 2.79, having a 3.0 is a very good class

Every school has coaching turnover so that excuse is lame. Stoops before he retired who had been on as long as KF had even changed up his staff canning his OC before promoting Riley as well as other assistants. Plus you see schools all the time losing coordinators to be head coaches or position coaches to be coordinators at other schools.
 
Every school has coaching turnover so that excuse is lame. Stoops before he retired who had been on as long as KF had even changed up his staff canning his OC before promoting Riley as well as other assistants. Plus you see schools all the time losing coordinators to be head coaches or position coaches to be coordinators at other schools.
Oklahome far out recruits Iowa, Iowa does not recruit at a high level and Iowa is known has a DEVELOPEMENTAL program, you are trying to compare Apples to watermelons.
 
The qb isn't the problem. The problem is our O line cannot block for shit and we have one receiver and one TE worth a shit. Stanley has proven he can make the throws, there's just nobody to throw to.

When he figures out how to hit anybody on the deep ball maybe he won't be a problem till he figures that out he still a major problem!
 
here were Stanzi stats in his 1st year as a SO starter,
150-254 1996 yards 14 TD's 9 INT's 59.1% completion rates and a final QB rank of 134.8 7.38 ypa

CJ's 2015 stats
223-362 2809 yards 17 TD's 5 INT 61.6% Completion rate final QB rating of 139.5 7.76 ypa

Stanley's stats thru 5 games
80-136 1043 ycards 12 TD's 1 INT, 59.1 % completion rate with a QB rating of 159.9 7.6 ypa
 
You know that scandal going around in college basketball? *whispers* its also happening in college football.

Point being. Its already tough to land the top players and getting them to come to Iowa. Then theres the schools that pay the good athletes. We do a damn good job in the circumstances were in.
 
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Stanley is the best we have so deal with it..and Easley, Fant, and Smith-Marsette are all better than Vandeberg, I see huge upside in WR/TE's...just R E L A X we will be fine and can still win the B1G West...just need to get the O-Line going which will help Stanley get confidence and spring Wadley for some yards...
 
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Oklahome far out recruits Iowa, Iowa does not recruit at a high level and Iowa is known has a DEVELOPEMENTAL program, you are trying to compare Apples to watermelons.

Ok look at Wisconsin then. Have had 3 coaches in last 5-6 years. My point is with Stoops he was around as long as Ferentz and he was making coaches changes in his last 5 seasons as well. Again the new coaches excuse is lame because every program has had some.
 
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Ok look at Wisconsin then. Have had 3 coaches in last 5-6 years. My point is with Stoops he was around as long as Ferentz and he was making coaches changes in his last 5 seasons as well. Again the new coaches excuse is lame because every program has had some.
BA is a ex Head FB HC, Barta is not. also Chryst was the OC for Wisconsin before leaving and then coming back., but you cry and beecth all you want.
the plain simple truth Iowa is not a dream destination for most top recruits.
 
these were during the coaching changes as they started in March of 2012 and just ended in Feb of 2017, just for you
March of 2012 after the 2012 class had signed their LOI
OC/QB Coach Davis replace OC/QB Coach KOK left to be a coach on the Miami Dolphins.
DL Coach Kaz was let go and OL Coach Morgan moved to the DL
OL Coach BF was hired from the NE Patriots where he was the TE Coach
Phil Parker was promoted to DC
LaVarr Woods was upgraded to a full time coach from a GA and took over coaching the LB'rs
2013 after the 2013 #53 class was signed
WR Coach Kennedy was hired to replace Soup
RB Coach White was hired from the Minnesota Viking to replace RB Coach Erb
Reed was hired to be the MLB Coach
2014 after the #59 class was signed
RC Wallace was hired as the then RC left to run a Culvers in Florida
Woods was moved to coach TE's
white who had been moved to coach DB's left and Phil took over as the DC/DB coach
2015 after the 15 #59 class had signed
LB Coach Reed left tp be the DC for BC
Wallace was moved to coach the LB'rs
Bell was hired as the RC
2017
Copeland was hired as the new WR Coach
Polasek was hired as the new OL Coach
KOK came back to be the QB Coach
BF was promoted to OC/RB coach
both White and Kennedy were let go
Bell was also named as the Assistant DL Coaching position

in January of 2018 schools will be allowed to hire that 10 assistant coach.

so no those classes were not already here. as they were put together during those changes, the 2016 class was rated #42 and the 2017 class was rated # 40, these 2 clases were the result of the new staff working together.

the 2018 class is going to be a small one so in this case I look at the star ranking where 0*, get zero 1* 1, 2* gets 2, 3* gets 3, 4* gets 4 and 5* GETS 5
add them all up then divide by the number of commits, this year Iowa sits with a 3.0 rating, compared to past years where the ratings avg'd 2.56 to 2.79, having a 3.0 is a very good class

You need to lay off the autism, bro.
 
Yeah nothing makes me think about football 365 days a year like those 7-5 expectations. News flash, you are part of the problem Kilroy.
 
Good thing the nice gentlemen of rivals started a business and message board for iowa so we could all talk about hoping to go 7-5.
 
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