A conservative revolt is brewing inside the Vatican

[hawkssox1]

I don't understand that comment. Torbee is a pretty knowledgeable and reasonable guy. He deserves to have some slack cut for him now and then.

So let me get this straight if you disagree with what he say's it is ok but if I do I get challenged?Got it.

 

[Chewback]

It's disappointing but I guess not surprising that an American Cardinal is prominent in the pushback and thinly-veiled threats.

Probably a Walker supporter.

 

[Hoosierhawkeye]

The press has misrepresented this issue, although in fairness the Pope was a little unclear in language. Priests have ALWAYS been able to forgive a woman who's had an abortion. What Pope Francis was talking about was excommunication. In rare instances, a women who had an abortion triggered automatic excommunication and would require confession to the bishop. However, in most dioceses the bishop can grant this authority to the local priest (and they have done so in all US dioceses), so the women confesses with a contrite heart, she's forgiven and no longer excommunicated.

So he's basically done even less then I had thought.

As I've said the whole bits about Francis changing the church are much ado about nothing.

 

[PhantomFlyer]

So he's basically done even less then I had thought.

As I've said the whole bits about Francis changing the church are much ado about nothing.

Correct, it's much ado about nothing. I do wish the Pope would have been clearer in his comments, he should have said excommunication, not abortion. This is where you don't know if translation from one language to another doesn't distort the point he was trying to make.

 

[SoonerBeAHawk]

So let me get this straight if you disagree with what he say's it is ok but if I do I get challenged?Got it.

Exactly.

Torbee is guilty of saying what he meant. Guilty because it doesn't jive real well with the liberal agenda. Hard to advance gay rights when people keep complaining about "homosexual child sexual abuse."

Now he is spinning it, while his ally is asking for some slack on his behalf.

 

[Besthawkfan]

The catholic church isn't a christian religion. It is an evil one. http://www.reformation.org/simon-peter-simon-magus.html

 

[torbee]

You truly are an "expert"on everything fn amazing.

Thanks.

I read a lot and like to stay current on issues. It takes some work, but it's pretty easy to be more well-versed on myriad subjects than the average American, given this society's growing embrace of anti-intellectualism.

 

[3 and Out on D]

It's about time some conservative heads in the Vatican explode. They truly need it. How does it feel to have a Pope that sounds like Christ did? The pope addressing the needs of the needy.

 

[torbee]

This is an odd post.

A jab - with some justification - is taken at conservatives. But then the poster differentiates pedophilia, noting that it was not only child sexual abuse but "homosexual child sexual abuse."

The homosexuality - if that even sticks - makes it worse, right? You're sounding kinda ... ... conservative there, torbee.

The fact that these diddling priests are condemning ALL homosesual acts out of one side of their mouths while actually illegally forcing minors into doing homosexual acts is clearly hypocrisy, wouldn't you agree?

Homosexual child sexual abuse isn't any worse than any other form of pedophilia. It is relevant to this discussion, however, as one of the things "conservative" priests are lamenting about Pope Francis is his tolerance toward gay people.

 

[22*43*51]

The fact that these diddling priests are condemning ALL homosesual acts out of one side of their mouths while actually illegally forcing minors into doing homosexual acts is clearly hypocrisy, wouldn't you agree?

Homosexual child sexual abuse isn't any worse than any other form of pedophilia. It is relevant to this discussion, however, as one of the things "conservative" priests are lamenting about Pope Francis is his tolerance toward gay people.

You're still drawing parallels between pedophilia and homosexuality.

I don't think you mean to be doing that.

They are mutually exclusive.

 

[SoonerBeAHawk]

The fact that these diddling priests are condemning ALL homosesual acts out of one side of their mouths while actually illegally forcing minors into doing homosexual acts is clearly hypocrisy, wouldn't you agree?

Homosexual child sexual abuse isn't any worse than any other form of pedophilia. It is relevant to this discussion, however, as one of the things "conservative" priests are lamenting about Pope Francis is his tolerance toward gay people.

You're commingling again.

I think even WWJD would tell you these are not homosexual acts. They are a product of a completely different motivation which I care not to speculate about.

And if WWJD says it, then you gotta listen

I'm out, peace

 

[torbee]

You're still drawing parallels between pedophilia and homosexuality.

I don't think you mean to be doing that.

They are mutually exclusive.

.
Here is the textbook definition of pedophilia:

Pedophilia or paedophilia is a psychiatric disorder in which an adult or older adolescent experiences a primary or exclusive sexual attraction to prepubescent children, generally age 11 years or younger.

This sexual attraction can be homosexual or heterosexual. In the vast majority of cases, those involving priests were homosexual. That is not an indictment on normal, healthy homosexuality between two consenting adults. It is absolutely an indictment on the sick priests who violated the trust of young boys and performed sexual acts on them.

The reason, again, this is relevant in this case is that many of those who ACTIVELY are advocating for censure and discrimination against those engaging in legal, normal and consensual gay sex are the SAME ones who hid, covered up and tacitly allowed illegal, underaged sexual acts to be performed on boys.

How anyone cannot see they hypocrisy inherent in this situation is beyond me.

 

[naturalmwa]

he is Nazi- like. the socialist party in Germany was the Nazi party. their first move was to get rid of religion. his first move is to get rid of traditional catholic principles. his move is to socialism, which implodes nations under the weight of too much money being handed out and not enough being printed. in a socialist state: the people come crying to the feds as if they are god, looking to the state for solutions. this is a new world order takeover, of the Vatican, of the world. very much like the Nazi and commie Stalinist tacticts. jesus would not have wanted a new world order takeover, with the state taking the place of God. as a false idol.

Why do you think an alien implant baby wouldn't want this?

 

[ottumwan in tx]

Am i really reading within this thread that child abuse is fine only if its ssme sex snd that is protected homosexuality and not to be condemned

 

[HotelAlphaWilcoKilo]

Am i really reading within this thread that child abuse is fine only if its ssme sex snd that is protected homosexuality and not to be condemned

Of course not. You're simply mentally ill. Ill, mentally. Not healthy.

 

[ottumwan in tx]

Ok am i reading that one is never to condemn same sex pedo? Because that would not be politically correct?

 

[HotelAlphaWilcoKilo]

Ok am i reading that one is never to condemn same sex pedo? Because that would not be politically correct?