Well to be honest didn't a guy drive a car through a parade a few years ago and run a bunch of people over? Killed some and wounded a bunch of people? And didn't Timothy McVeigh kill a bunch of people in Oklahoma with fertilizer as an explosive bomb? Bottom line is we have a bunch of wackos out there. I've had guns for 50 years and they haven't killed anyone yet.
A hypothetical question for gun folk...
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Well to be honest didn't a guy drive a car through a parade a few years ago and run a bunch of people over? Killed some and wounded a bunch of people? And didn't Timothy McVeigh kill a bunch of people in Oklahoma with fertilizer as an explosive bomb? Bottom line is we have a bunch of wackos out there. I've had guns for 50 years and they haven't killed anyone yet.
I think it's pretty obvious that certain events happen and can trigger a new interest.
If I had to guess, mother's around the country weren't fired up about drunk driving out of boredom. They may have lost a kid to drunk driver and it ignited a passion.
Someone posted about losing a kid to a car crash and not blaming the car... it's just a tool. I don't really buy that, we've improved the tool by making it safer. Through studies, technology, regulations, etc.
Yeah that’s all you have. KY is an armpit of America yet you want state rights.
So, just so I understand your position.
You're a gun person (I defined earlier to be meant as a broad term to include casual supporters / owners to nutters and everywhere in between). And you can definitively say that a catastrophic personal event like your child being killed by a gunman, you personally having to see the aftermath of shootings, or your child causing the act would not cause you to take pause and consider changing your positions as they stand today?
No judgement, just asking.
It was just last November, but we never hear about it since it was a leftist doing party work....uncle jo never showed up...of course > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Waukesha_Christmas_parade_attack
Any thoughts on my response to you Hondo? Or are we done adulting for the day?
A hypothetical question for gun folk...
We've got seemingly a million threads fighting over guns good / guns bad - that's not my question(s). Hypothetically: Do you think having your child killed at the hand of a school shooter like Newtown or Uvlade would change your thoughts on guns? Similarly, do you think if you were a first...
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You should probably stay out then. Wouldn't want to sully your lily white ego.
I think part of the problem with the proposals is that they come to surface after a mass shooting as if the proposal would have prevented the mass shooting to begin with and as if the proposal would guarantee no future mass shootings. Thus the arguments start from the other side of ways to show even with new proposals it doesn't prevent anything. So the discussion gets off point on whether the proposals just make sense as a matter of general protocol.
Probably because your trick question, addresses a very minute probability in an attempt to make the event seem prevalent.
It's not a question of probability. In this hypothetical, it could happen once or it could happen a million times. The point is - it happens directly to you. Hell, I just gave you an example of how a higher probability issue (car accidents) that YOU brought to this conversation might impact my way of thinking. Can you adult enough to think through this or are we done here?
The shootings in the past few years have really opened my eyes to the youth in America. Specifically young males and often young white males.
Our youth are exposed to a lot of violence from a variety of sources. They also use social media which frankly establishes a false sense of reality and opens them up to cyber bullying. Many of these shooters are socially awkward and are loners in their high school. Their activities usually include staying at home and playing in the internet and online games.
This can be said for many countries by the way.
Now for the troubling part. Any 18 year old kid can purchase the firearm that they feel is “cool”. Now they are introduced to a sensation of power mixed with the years of social isolation and anger for being “different”. They want to get back at society.
Raising the age of purchase just makes a ton of sense. A lot can happen in those 3 years from 18 to 21. Maturity may set in. They might Find friends due to work. If they are truly a troubled soul then maybe they get arrested for something during those 3 years that would get caught on a back ground check.
This won’t effect most gun owners.
Our youth are exposed to a lot of violence from a variety of sources. They also use social media which frankly establishes a false sense of reality and opens them up to cyber bullying. Many of these shooters are socially awkward and are loners in their high school. Their activities usually include staying at home and playing in the internet and online games.
This can be said for many countries by the way.
Now for the troubling part. Any 18 year old kid can purchase the firearm that they feel is “cool”. Now they are introduced to a sensation of power mixed with the years of social isolation and anger for being “different”. They want to get back at society.
Raising the age of purchase just makes a ton of sense. A lot can happen in those 3 years from 18 to 21. Maturity may set in. They might Find friends due to work. If they are truly a troubled soul then maybe they get arrested for something during those 3 years that would get caught on a back ground check.
This won’t effect most gun owners.
Introspection and thoughtful response based on results that didn't even happen to you directly. My guess is the answers to my questions in the OP would be a yes from you.
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I have no idea. I think it happening directly to me would make me absolutely obsessive about finding it though. And that might include challenging my current system of beliefs.
To each their own though.
Blaming the vehicle is the easy button. Nothing substantial ever changes by addressing the symptoms.
Let's place more of those "Gun Free Zone" stickers on the entrances to places. I am pretty sure those work AND they let criminals know that just beyond those stickers are all kinds of soft targets, it gives them time to contemplate what they are about to do ......Arm the teachers that want to be armed, it took 40 minutes for the police to enter that elementary school.
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I was having this discussion with a coworker that was a marine who’s job it was to make repairs to small arms in Afghanistan. He pointed out something that I didn’t know.
Florida raised the legal age to purchase a rifle to 21 following the Parkland shooting. Did not know that.
Florida raised the legal age to purchase a rifle to 21 following the Parkland shooting. Did not know that.
We have lots more restrictions on cars than we do on guns.
Guns are the leading cause of death of our children right now.
Guns don't have a primary purpose other than killing, like a car does.
Too many guns. This isn't complicated. More guns that people. More than anywhere in the world. Our guns kill kids and too many don't want to do a damn thing to fix it. Guns are more important than the right for people to not be killed by it. Republicans should just go ahead and say it. Own it. We can all see it's obvious.
It's such a silly part of their narrative but they use it every single time there's a mass shooting, thinking it makes them sound smart.
Your vile snarkiness wears thin, don't you get tired of yourself?
You sound like a rational person totally capable of grasping someone else's thoughts on the matter.
Gee, I've never heard the other side of the gun conversation before. First time a thread about kids being murdered by a mass murderer with guns has been talked about on here before.
The talking points are always recycled. Same nonsense there was 20 years ago.
Yet we have passed legislation to make those "tools" much safer AND addressed some of the root causes. Why can't we do both in this situation?
Are you taking my use of the word 'vehicle' to mean automobile? Its not.
Even your context of "vehicle" is still a noun. Since nouns are things, those things can be regulated. Nice try though.
