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A message to my conservative friends…

Good post OP. I am a Conservative and we agree that we want what is best for the country as a whole, not pockets of special interests, not corporations, not illegal invaders, and most of all, not the Washington Elites.

I'm not a fan of Trumps personality, but I have to admire his resilience in the face of more challenges than most people could withstand.

I'm hopeful we can get back to an America we can feel proud to be a part of, even if we disagree on some key issues.
 
Good post OP. I am a Conservative and we agree that we want what is best for the country as a whole, not pockets of special interests, not corporations, not illegal invaders, and most of all, not the Washington Elites.

I'm not a fan of Trumps personality, but I have to admire his resilience in the face of more challenges than most people could withstand.

I'm hopeful we can get back to an America we can feel proud to be a part of, even if we disagree on some key issues.
Amen.
 
I think he will threaten to pull support unless he sees more of Europe and the rest of the free world support the Ukraine cause more than they are doing today. Every country in Europe should be doing everything possible to stop Putin and Russia because they might be next. Trump needs to pick up the phone and tell Putin to get the hell out of Ukraine now. It’s a no win situation for Putin and his end game.
Some have begun to step up as a result but for too long we have consistently “picked up the check”
WRT NATO. Our defense installations in Western Europe have allowed those countries to impose high taxes to fund free healthcare, child care, a social construct full of benefits that underfunded their defense obligations, while we pay.
 
Ask an uneducated voter who is responsible for the "lockdowns", the unchecked stimulus checks, etc. they will all say Biden.

Yeah, can't imagine how that happened...

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And there it is. Damn those ignorant hicks.
The Dems lost because too many of them live in their bubble of woke ideology and identity politics. Americans have had enough of it. It was about the economy and immigration and Kamala didn’t articulate a consistent message on either. Abortion, abortion, abortion wasn’t going to win. The working class, blacks, Hispanics, young people all moved to the right in numbers that sealed the win. Dems have some soul searching ahead.
Yes, “trust the science” Biden was responsible for prolonged lockdowns that we now know don’t work, lengthy school closures, unconstitutional vaccine mandates, and massive spending that overheated the economy. Enough ignorant Americans saw this and rejected Kamala and the media machine.
COVID-19 mandated lockdowns ended in August of 2020 months before Biden even took office. What on earth would have gone differently under Trump is my question. IMO Reagan, Clinton, etc. would have been screwed. Post COVID was the Kobayashi Maru of political hand-offs.
 
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Yes, it was a shit show his first term.

No, my life didn’t change negatively anymore than it did under Biden. Nor do I anticipate it changing for the worse under Trump a second time around.

Your questions are a false dichotomy and frankly beside the point.

You JUST said you are fully expecting a disaster/shit show.

LOL, whatever dude. Not really in the mood to “argue” this morning with a complete stranger.

Cheers.
 
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You JUST said you are fully expecting a disaster/shit show.

LOL, whatever dude. Not really in the mood to “argue” this morning with a complete stranger.

Cheers.
Okay?

Yeah, I do expect that, but I will hope for the best.

You asked an honest question; I gave you an honest answer.

Best wishes.
 
I was honestly hoping Kamala would trounce Trump last night so the GOP would have to reinvent itself and put out a respectable candidate I could get behind in 2028.

I have more than a little jealousy for our Democratic friends that have a chance to see their party get its shit together over four years and come out much more formidable, while Republicans are running a Don Jr/Kid Rock ticket.
 
I have more than a little jealousy for our Democratic friends that have a chance to see their party get its shit together over four years and come out much more formidable, while Republicans are running a Don Jr/Kid Rock ticket.
Like I said, the best outcome would have been Kamala win in a landslide and the GOP reinvents itself and runs a respectable candidate in 2028 I could get behind.

Won’t happen now.
 
I’m not even close to being a victim. But deep down apparently you think you are - so when I hit close to home and find a sloppy mistake in your remarks you suddenly drop all pretenses of trying to appear neutral and throw yourself a temper tantrum by trying to insult me.
Damn. You’re not even very good at that. All it does is confirm that I hit the target once more.
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Down goes Frazier! Down goes Frazier! Down goes Frazier!
 
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Which is why you chose Trump in the primary right? Because he was so much more qualified?
Look at the positive, Trump will never run for office again is the way you have to look at it. Four years and done with him.

The problem is you want to point the finger at people telling you the truth and you don’t like it so you hate on them because they don’t think like you. I don’t like Trump either but it is what it is. Our two party system sucks. We need popular candidate options and not be pigeon holed into a two party majority on candidates. I voted libertarian party. Wasn’t giving my vote to H/W or T/V. Both bad options.
 
Well, I now know what Moses felt like when he descended from Mt. Sinai to see the Israelites worshiping other gods. No wonder he was pissed. We now have a President who, as a convicted felon, can't even vote himself. What will happen with regards to his sentencing for his 34 felonies and what happens to his other 3 more serious indictments?


You know the answer. All of his legal issues will go poof.
 
Look at the positive, Trump will never run for office again is the way you have to look at it. Four years and done with him.

The problem is you want to point the finger at people telling you the truth and you don’t like it so you hate on them because they don’t think like you. I don’t like Trump either but it is what it is. Our two party system sucks. We need popular candidate options and not be pigeon holed into a two party majority on candidates. I voted libertarian party. Wasn’t giving my vote to H/W or T/V. Both bad options.
lol, Trump will stay in office until he dies. He’s told us this.
If the dems ran any white male they would have won, we are who we are.
 
awesome , great result. two things trump should consider: repeal obamacare, not get us into more debt
 
As a conservative Republican who did not vote for Trump, this result is probably not good for the Republican party in the long term. I think that Trump is serious about tariffs, and will implement them haphazardly in a way that does serious damage to the economy. That by itself will be enough to erase the Republican majority in the Senate at the midterms (as well as the House if the Republicans end up with a majority in the House). So any actual policy goal which requires legislation will have to get done in the first two years.

Also, he has elevated Vance to the head of the table for the start of the 2028 caucus/primary season. That is not good for 2028 and beyond.

The best long-term result for the Republicans would have been a Harris victory, because I think that she would have been ineffective and the progressive wing of the Democrat party would have been unable to stop themselves from proposing unpopular legislative priorities. That would also have allowed a Republican policy re-set.

To any Democrat who is in despair this morning, the one thing about American politics is that you can never get too high or too low, because both parties are remarkably good at self-sabotage. The pendulum always swings back.
 
As a conservative Republican who did not vote for Trump, this result is probably not good for the Republican party in the long term. I think that Trump is serious about tariffs, and will implement them haphazardly in a way that does serious damage to the economy. That by itself will be enough to erase the Republican majority in the Senate at the midterms (as well as the House if the Republicans end up with a majority in the House). So any actual policy goal which requires legislation will have to get done in the first two years.

Also, he has elevated Vance to the head of the table for the start of the 2028 caucus/primary season. That is not good for 2028 and beyond.

The best long-term result for the Republicans would have been a Harris victory, because I think that she would have been ineffective and the progressive wing of the Democrat party would have been unable to stop themselves from proposing unpopular legislative priorities. That would also have allowed a Republican policy re-set.

To any Democrat who is in despair this morning, the one thing about American politics is that you can never get too high or too low, because both parties are remarkably good at self-sabotage. The pendulum always swings back.
tarrifs are awesome and they are the right answer. they worked in his first term. they worked with the boston tea party.

vance is awesome and the future looks bright with vance and tulsi and many others
 
Thanks to R's we will get exactly what we deserve. There is a reason trump loves the poorly educated, they are easily manipulated.
As Northern said: we have now normalized coup attempts. I'm super excited to see what trump will now normalize.
Facts don't matter
telling the truth doesn't matter
Stability doesn't matter
 
That's what I told my lefty daughter...this should result in the Dems being in much better shape in four years. They just have to take the opportunity.
Yeah, but I don’t want that. I want Republicans to be in better shape.
 
My sincerest hope is Donald Trump is indeed good for America and that we stop sending billions of dollars overseas, the border can be more secure, and that inflation will level out while working people’s incomes improve. I will be rooting for America to be much better because of Donald Trump’s leadership regardless of how much I despise him as a human being.

With that said, you guys better be right about Trump. Because if it’s the total disaster/shit show I think it’s going to be, the next president will probably be someone even worse than Kamala. I was honestly hoping Kamala would trounce Trump last night so the GOP would have to reinvent itself and put out a respectable candidate I could get behind in 2028. That’s probably not going to happen now.

Congratulations to conservatives like @Gus is dead and others I have a lot in common with (this is not an olive branch to pieces of shit in the MAGA idiot brigade who will wake up glib this morning but still pieces of shit). Hope Trump does well for the country.
I've said this before, DFL needs to stand for what the initials stand for. Until the Dems figure out how to relate to the middle class and their needs, it'll be a long few years. I don't think Trump won because of how he is, he won because people believed he could fix their money issues. Dems need to come back to the middle and gain the support of the very base that made them, farmers/labor/working class.
 
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awesome , great result. two things trump should consider: repeal obamacare, not get us into more debt
Trump added a ton of debt in his first term, he’s going to add more this time around, too. As for ACA/Obamacare, what are you replacing it with? Are we just simply taking health insurance away from millions because we can? The prior system hasn’t existed for 15 years and certainly isn’t there to fall back to now.
 
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Am I wrong for thinking the ridiculous inflation was caused significantly more by COVID (supply chain, price gouging, etc.) than by anything a Biden admin did AND if Trump won in 2020, it'd basically been the same, possibly worse? Trump dodged a bullet by not getting elected. Biden got to take the fall for COVID, Trump got to blame Biden, then get re-elected.
You are absolutely right
 
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