No, I just saw an opportunity to insert Feldman into this. Seeing as she doesn't mine inserting from whomever.
A perverted campaign against LGBT rights in Houston
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Yes, this is often the case. It's used as leverage, and they mostly get shot down, unless the person wants to get down and dirty with it. It lends to a lack of responsibility.
Penis photographer certainly gets to hire those he deems to have photogenic penises.
There's a cost to that. Who do you think pays for it? We all do in the form of higher prices.
And there is a cost to discrimination. I favor the trade off. Besides Texas has loser pays laws so no cost at all.
Well, that's true. We don't have any facilities in Texas, so I guess whatever they do it doesn't matter to me.
This is the important phrase imo. Tradition first wants an employer to be able to fire any employee for any reason. But many people don't, but they are concerned about the tradeoffs, and they will often protect the employer....you know the one with the power, the insurance, the money, the lawyers and everything else.
I like to think that I (and others like Natural) favor protecting those who actually need the protection.
Ah, yes... the money tree that is "the employer"...
Newsflash: the vast majority of business owners are near poverty and one payroll away from bankruptcy... you know, pretty much the same place that the vast majority of employees are in?
And Newsflash: That has nothing/extremely little to do with this.
It has nothing to do with being a "money tree", it has to do with power and resources.
If you already mortgaged your existence to the hilt to build a business and it's failing, who has any resources?
Yes, because we all know that the discrimination we are seeking to protect against in these jobs is those that are "high-demand!"
Again you post irrelevant drivel.
I tell you what... come up with some rules that prevent employees from quitting for "any reason" and I will be happy to negotiate the end of employment at will.
I know this is going to sound Romney-esque, but employers are people, too.
Is there anybody on here, including WWJD who wants to end employment at will?
Employers are people, which is why the make such glaringly inappropriate and stupid decisions at time, like firing someone because they used to be a male/female, but no longer are.
We are talking about minimal, reasonable restrictions...as we've always discussed. The standard response of mine would be, "fine, then you, as an employer, can handle EVERYTHING on your own, you get no tax benefits..." but that cat has been so far out of the bag for a century that it doesn't even really need saying. (although I just did).
You want to "participate" in our economy that we have built collectively? By all means, please do, it will benefit all of us, but here are some extremely reasonable restrictions:
Don't fire someone for their religion, because they are black, because they are married, because they want to privately f*** their same gender, etc. Feel free to fire them because they can't make doodads quick enough, fire them because they keep stealing paperclips, fire them because they have sincerely bad body odor, fire them for reasons relating to your business, ffs.
Employers are people, which is why the make such glaringly inappropriate and stupid decisions at time, like firing someone because they used to be a male/female, but no longer are.
We are talking about minimal, reasonable restrictions...as we've always discussed. The standard response of mine would be, "fine, then you, as an employer, can handle EVERYTHING on your own, you get no tax benefits..." but that cat has been so far out of the bag for a century that it doesn't even really need saying. (although I just did).
You want to "participate" in our economy that we have built collectively? By all means, please do, it will benefit all of us, but here are some extremely reasonable restrictions:
Don't fire someone for their religion, because they are black, because they are married, because they want to privately f*** their same gender, etc. Feel free to fire them because they can't make doodads quick enough, fire them because they keep stealing paperclips, fire them because they have sincerely bad body odor, fire them for reasons relating to your business, ffs.
No, the body odor thing is a non-starter. You'll get sued for disability discrimination.
Or the humans can learn to deal with it on their own without a system that burns away the human spirit.
Yeah, employees don't make stupid decisions. Guess what? We're all people!
As for firing someone who wants to "transition," I might not have a problem with it, but what if this employee's clients have a problem with it? Now I have to be the civil rights enforcer and give up business if I can't convince them to be more "progressive." How's that fair?
If civil rights is predicated on "who has the power" then that should certainly be a consideration, shouldn't it?
Let's say you're a gay business owner. You want to hire this superstar salesman away from your competitor. This guy just slays everyone in the market. Even though you offer a more attractive compensation package, what if he turns you down because you're gay? Should you be able to sue this superstar salesperson for employment discrimination?
What's good for the goose is good for the gander.
Civil rights aren't predicated on who has power. And individuals are always free to discriminate as they like. It's only businesses of public accommodation that must follow civil codes to remain in business. I'm questioning your expertise in this topic now.
My point is IT SHOULDN'T BE THAT WAY! Assuming that the poor mensch who opened a doomed-to-fail pizza shop has all the "power and resources" over his employees means that only he can discriminate and his employees cannot is a prima facie violation of the Constitutional guarantee of equal protection under the law.
Or, we could look at it the other way... the business owner, saddled with the yoke of "you're a public accommodation so you have to put up with whatever society says you have to put up with," somehow beats the odds of all that added risk and becomes wildly successful. Is he allowed to reap the rewards of taking that risk? Oh, no... the progressive taxman comes a calling to take that money away and give it to someone "more deserving."
No it isn't. That people in different positions in an employment relationship have different amounts of power inherent to their positions isn't a constitutional issue at all. Employers have to follow all sorts of rules and access all sorts of powers that don't impact those same people in their private affairs.
Again, employers aren't impersonal corporations. Most are people just like you and me, who hung a shingle out and hoped they could make it on their own. Why do they get NO civil rights protections?
I reject both your assertions. When acting as a corporation, they are not just like a private individual. When acting privately they have all the rights we all do. When acting publicly (as in operating a business of public accommodation) they are under different rules with both protections and responsibilities.
We need some real problems in this country. I stand by this. We have it way to good as we constantly have to find new things to cry about. Piss where you want to but if you are found to be abusing this open bathroom policy then you deserve the beating coming your way.
Everyone quit being so silly. We have the right to not like each other, and if I don't want to serve someone a burger because they are ginger, well then I'm not serving that dirty ginger any burgers!!!!!
Maybe if he pays double. Take my soul, I take your money.
Maybe if he pays double. Take my soul, I take your money.
What, pray tell, is your point here? All public accommodation/discrimination laws should be removed?
The only way to equal and fair, is to give no special considerations to anyone. I agree with Tradition, let the people figure themselves out, instead of having these type of policies keeping them from naturally figuring it out.
To you that sounds crazy,..you have no since of humor by the way,..but,..the only true evolution comes from actual change, no the illusion of change.
So we can let those filthy gingers tear society apart? I hate freckles, I hate ginger strength, and I hate red hair of a certain tone. Does that make me so bad? I doubt a ginger would like my burger anyways. It's not made of human flesh.
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